HELP my upper sagging eyelids
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free skin care · Sun Jun 05, 2011 4:28 am

Hi
I havnt been on this forum for a while and need some motivation. My upper eyelids are getting worse.
since november 2010 i have been doing facial exercises (did this for 4 months) then cheated with sculptra in my upper cheeks and absolutely love the results, so for a while just concentrated on my jaw neck and eyes.
My jaw is coming along nicely most probably where the sculptra has lifted this.
But my eyes are causing me concern. I used the mildest form of copper peptides for 6 weeks then noticed deep wrinkles appearing around my eyes and my eyelids definatly looked worse, I was told the uglies wouldnt happen with the mildest copper peptides. So i stopped this, I was also using retin A 0.25% and had a good little routine going, with AALS, vaculift, retin a, copper peptides, c serum.
I am too scared to use the copper peptides again as the deep wrinkle are now better, but I am seriosly considering surgery.
My question is there help for crepey sagging eyelids as one last ditch before i resort to surgery.

thankyou all
by the way I was doing flex efffect facial execises

Sun Jun 05, 2011 7:36 am

The only thing that has helped me is by very gently dermarolling (.05) my upper eyelids once a month and a daily DIY vitamin c serum. Also, my eyes look better when I use a massage technique (with oil) where I push the eyelids up towards my eyebrows while trying to close my eyes at the same time to strengthen them. That, and diet/supplements have helped me out.

I wish, too, that someone would share their secrets in this area because I'd like to help my drooping eyelids and avoid an upper bleph for as long as possible.

Sun Jun 05, 2011 7:39 am

would stop using copper peptides i had severe uglies from using the lowest strength took about 2 months for my skin to return to normal

free skin care · Sun Jun 05, 2011 8:07 am

Helen... Where you using the CP's ON your eyelids? How much? What strength? Did you work up to the strength? How long where you using CP total?

How long have you been off the CP's?

I have once experienced drop at the corner of my eye with CP usage. I quit the DAY I saw the drop... it's been a while, but I think I took a few weeks (maybe an old post of mine is more specific) to get back to smooth.

Time for correction I think is dependant on how long you continued to treat with visible drop. Which product you were using... etc..

Main thing I'd do now, is LET IT BE!!!!

free skin care · Sun Jun 05, 2011 9:07 am

hi claudia,
yes my eyes did droop in the corner, I was using the weakest of them all, and was told i didnt need to dilute or use evryother day to start, but I did anyway, then built up to everynight after a month, then in 2 weeks it looked worse. yes I used them on my eyelids.

I wont use copper peptides again, I cant take that risk, sagging eyelids is so aging.

I did flex effect eye exercices for about 4 months, is there hope for drooping eyes with exercises? if so how long should i give it, all the women in my family have spaniel eyes, will this be a herd area for me to improve without surgery?

thankyou

helen Very Happy

free skin care · Sun Jun 05, 2011 9:10 am

Hi everyone. When you say you were using the weakest CP - was it the Super GHK one from Skin Bio or their Premier Night Eyes one?

I had to go back to some old posts when I first started using CPs to see if I had any of these issues. I remember getting some uglies (and my 'uglies' were looser skin and some soft wrinkling from that) when I was using the GHK and I didn't mention it. I did get some when I moved up to the Night Eyes Premier though and again when I moved up to the regular Night Eyes.

Whenever I saw the 'uglies', I had to back off using the CPs for a few days and then went back to using them, but at a diluted or weaker level. I diluted the creams by using oil first or not using them as often.

I would see the uglies go away doing this and then would see additional improvements. I'm glad I didn't stop, because I believe the changes that the CPs started would have stuck around longer. I think the CPs begin a 'remodeling' and if you stop in the middle of the remodeling, you will take along time to return to what you had before. JMHO

free skin care · Mon Jun 06, 2011 11:28 am

thank you fox,
I was using the super GHK, 2x per week to start then slowly built up to daily.
I was worried if i carrid on with them my eyes would not get better. I might take your advice and out oil on first and just start with a couple of times a week and build up again.
How long dos it normally take to see a difference in eyelids?

helen Very Happy

free skin care · Mon Jun 06, 2011 11:45 am

CherrySilver wrote:

The only thing that has helped me is by very gently dermarolling (.05) my upper eyelids once a month and a daily DIY vitamin c serum. Also, my eyes look better when I use a massage technique (with oil) where I push the eyelids up towards my eyebrows while trying to close my eyes at the same time to strengthen them. That, and diet/supplements have helped me out.

I wish, too, that someone would share their secrets in this area because I'd like to help my drooping eyelids and avoid an upper bleph for as long as possible.

Hi CherrySilver,

would you mind sharing your technique for dermarolling your eyelids? do you use the 3 line roller, - or the normal size?

thanks

Jackie xx

free skin care · Mon Jun 06, 2011 1:08 pm

helenjean wrote:

thank you fox,
I was using the super GHK, 2x per week to start then slowly built up to daily.
I was worried if i carrid on with them my eyes would not get better. I might take your advice and out oil on first and just start with a couple of times a week and build up again.
How long dos it normally take to see a difference in eyelids?

helen Very Happy

I saw an improvement within the first 8 weeks (maybe even sooner), but then I was using the Super GHK full strength and on a daily basis. If you go the slower route, it will take longer for you. Just be patient!

My upper eyelids were where I saw the most dramatic changes - from a crinkly, loose texture to a smooth, firmer one! Before using the CPs, I could not run an eye shadow applicator over the lids without it pulling and tugging on the skin there. After things firmed up, I no longer saw that. And - I could start to see some of the lid below the crease again! (That had disappeared) The upper part started to firm up enough to actually lift up and expose the lower area again.

I'm not saying this will happen to everyone - but that was my experience w/ the CPs on my eyelids. I must've had some damage from using colored cosmetics all my life (some 25+ years at that point). CPs are the perfect match for 'damaged' skin.

Take before and after pictures to document any changes that might occur for you. That might help you see what's happening.

Mon Jun 06, 2011 4:54 pm

I saw drastic improvement with my eye lids when I started and stuck with FlexEffects. The program really opened my eyes and firmed them.

Good luck!

free skin care · Tue Jun 07, 2011 5:21 am

foxe wrote:

I remember getting some uglies (and my 'uglies' were looser skin and some soft wrinkling from that)

Whenever I saw the 'uglies', I had to back off using the CPs for a few days and then went back to using them, but at a diluted or weaker level. I diluted the creams by using oil first or not using them as often.

Foxe, I am getting the same thing at the moment (looser skin/wrinkling) in my eye area. When you backed off the CP's for a few days, what did you use on that area?

Tue Jun 07, 2011 10:09 am

Jackie284 wrote:

Hi CherrySilver,

would you mind sharing your technique for dermarolling your eyelids? do you use the 3 line roller, - or the normal size?

thanks

Jackie xx

I just did this the day before yesterday, Jackie, with a regular sized roller (wish I had the 3 line one). I start off by go over the sides of my eyes first where crow's feet are forming.

Then I do the upper-eyelid area (ouchie!), slightly lifting the brow till the skin is taut. I also go over the eyebrow itself, and make sure to hit the front of the brows and the area just between the eyes. A 3 liner would work well for all of this, but I'm doing okay with what I have.

Keep in mind that I do my eyes first *before* I do my forehead. I don't want to be touching or tugging the skin to pull my eyebrows up after it's been rolled.

I also always use my water-based C serum before, but can only splash plain water on my face afterward because my skin is so sensitive. After it's calmed down for about 15 minutes or so, I apply my own CoQ10/coconut oil blend which my skin tolerates well (lots of other things I've tried have irritated it).

The skin looks healthier than it did 3 months ago, but this is a result of the above along with hitting my upper-eyelids/crow's feet with my AALS and micro retin A 3x/week. Tried the CPs before, and my skin hated them.

Hope that other people will chime in with their methods for helping to improve this troublesome area!

free skin care · Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:44 pm

thanks CherrySilver,

that's a big help,

Jackie xx

free skin care · Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:49 pm

I went and had my nails today, & the beautician recons she knows everything about the skin and said I shouldn't put retin a on my eyelids as this skin is already the thinnest on the face and shouldn't be any thinner.
What do you girlies & bogies think of that comment?

free skin care · Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:51 pm

Ha ha ha, just read my post, I meant boyies not bogies, my iPhone keeps changing my words. Laughing

free skin care · Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:18 pm

With CP's the event of the wrinkling, crepey look is a transitional thing - I know it's not comfortable.

It happened to me with night eyes premier (I so wanted to quit and did for a bit until I decided to do something else and continue on).. what I did was combine it with an oil 50/50 and power on. Eventually I got to the other side.
Now I am using night eyes and combining with oil most nights and other nights I use straight as I get used to it.
As foxe alluded to -you can either stick it out with the uglies, or you can trick them a little As I did by combining CP's with an oil or you can stop. But if you stop you will not give yourself the opportunity to see the improvements.

free skin care · Wed Jun 08, 2011 4:04 am

I'd say get a new beautician, having used Retin A for 30 years, and at least 20 of them applying it directly to my eyelids, I can honestly say its complete and utter nonsense. Yes it does cause the upmost layer to thin somewhat, but it encourages the deeper and lower levels to turn over faster, and thus thickens the skin. She doesn't know what she's talking about, as many derms actually say Retin A is brilliant for the eyes, but like most things you have to start out slowly. I wouldn't have used CPs on the eyelids daily, but would have probably done it like Retin A, starting out with 1x a week, for a few months, and then slowly increasing.

Have you done any massage as well as the exercises. They say that thickens the skin, and I think it does (sometimes) but other times I have doubts. I think regular exercising and massage can really help you out in your situation, and 4 months is a little too early to be expecting dramatic changes. Hang in there!

free skin care · Wed Jun 08, 2011 5:43 am

sister sweets wrote:

With CP's the event of the wrinkling, crepey look is a transitional thing - I know it's not comfortable.

what I did was combine it with an oil 50/50 and power on. Eventually I got to the other side.

It is uncomfortable, but I am trying to "power on", as well. My lids seem back to normal today after not using the CP's around them for only 2 days. I hope I didn't start back up too soon.

I read that tip on SCT, as well, about mixing the CP with an oil. I also got a tip from a CP user to mix a drop of the CP in with any eye cream, so I am trying both of those things!

free skin care · Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:40 am

rileygirl wrote:

foxe wrote:

I remember getting some uglies (and my 'uglies' were looser skin and some soft wrinkling from that)

Whenever I saw the 'uglies', I had to back off using the CPs for a few days and then went back to using them, but at a diluted or weaker level. I diluted the creams by using oil first or not using them as often.

Foxe, I am getting the same thing at the moment (looser skin/wrinkling) in my eye area. When you backed off the CP's for a few days, what did you use on that area?

When I first started using CPs, I didn't have any oils. But then, I was using the GHK at the time. I think I only backed off the CPs while switching up to stronger ones while I saw the uglies. Then I went back to using the CPs but didn't put it on as heavily and didn't use it as often.

They recommend using emu oil or even the Two Timing Tightener for the ugly stages. The TTT is a good one IMO
HTH

free skin care · Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:42 am

helenjean wrote:

I went and had my nails today, & the beautician recons she knows everything about the skin and said I shouldn't put retin a on my eyelids as this skin is already the thinnest on the face and shouldn't be any thinner.
What do you girlies & bogies think of that comment?

That had been the advice ages ago when I first started using Retin A. (Back in the 80's).

I believe the thinking on that has changed. I asked a new derm about that specifically (mentioning my previous derms advice) and she said to go ahead and use it under the eyes.

free skin care · Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:43 am

I have TTT and when I remember I put it on eye area mostly.

I've never used retin a on the eye area. May have to add that in since I have some.

free skin care · Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:11 am

thank you all for your help.
i shall start back but slowly, trouble is if i have my eyelids surgically done, it wont deal with the crinkly skin.
I was just wandering what toby thinks would help and if she could give us some advice as well.

free skin care · Fri Jun 17, 2011 10:22 am

helenjean wrote:

My question is there help for crepey sagging eyelids as one last ditch before i resort to surgery.

Hi Helenjean - I had the same issue, but my plastic surgeon said there wasn't enough loose skin to justify a lid lift. He gave me an Erbium laser peel around the eye and it smoothed everything out beautifully. That was about 4 years ago, and I'm just starting to see a little droop again. I'll definitely have it done again. If it makes any difference, I'm almost 54.

free skin care · Sat Jun 18, 2011 11:17 am

hi tessera,
i was thinking of laser, what were the costs and side effects?
thank you
helen

free skin care · Sat Jun 18, 2011 6:44 pm

helenjean wrote:

i was thinking of laser, what were the costs and side effects?

I have the world's worst memory, so bear with me. I don't recall the cost at all, as it was included with another procedure, but he recently quoted me $800 to have it done again. This is in California, so it may be less expensive elsewhere.

As for side effects, it's basically a burn all around the eye, so I had to keep it covered with (I want to say) Aquaphor, I think. There was some swelling and stiffness in the skin, which made blinking a little annoying for a few days. I've had some other peels, so I didn't think anything of it. After the healing period (10 days, maybe?) it was very pink for a while, but that could be camouflaged with makeup. After a month or two, the color was back to normal and the skin was nice and smooth all around the eye. HTH

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