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Sat Mar 05, 2011 7:22 am  |
been trying to formulate a DIY product for some time ( already started topic on it) and think I've finally found the way to go.
now the problem is: I've been contacting a company that definitely could help me and knows about concentration, penetration enhancers,....
I contacted them and now they got back to me saying they only give info to companies ( so I have to prove that I own a company or laboratory but I don't)
I think it's so frustrating. Has someone out here faced the same kinda problem and how do you solve it?
Are there any businesses helping people like me with creating products, contacting companies, assuring that it's safe, contains enough active ingredients..... |
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Sat Mar 05, 2011 9:40 pm |
Do you really blame them? Of course they only want to help people who will likely become their customer otherwise it's a waste of their time. Cosmetics companies spend fortunes every year to formulate their products so why would they give that information away to individuals for free? If it's a cosmetic ingredient supplier you are talking to, they also have a commercial interest in keeping the information secret. They only want to give it to companies that will then buy products wholesale from them, and they must protect their existing customers by keeping the trade secrets.
As a DIYer you have the same problem as every other DIYer out there. You will have to simply research or trial and error yourself to get it right. It took me 2yrs to perfect my own facial cream and a lot of $$ on my part. It's just part of the hobby.
I actually don't have any problem with manufacturers or cosmetic companies refusing to give me the keys to their kingdom. If I was in business I would do exactly the same thing. After all if they instruct DIYers everywhere on how to make a commercial quality product then they might as well close up shop tomorrow.  |
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40, fine porcelain skin, tendency to pigmentation no other issues. Rosehip oil is the cornerstone of my skin care. |
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Sat Mar 05, 2011 10:58 pm |
| you can go to lotioncrafter.com , there you will find info (%) regarding the actives they are selling ..... |
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Sun Mar 06, 2011 3:30 am |
@NotMeNotYou: I'm not talking about cosmetic companies but about companies selling active ingredients, so it wouldn't make a difference for them if they sell it to a company or a private person, they get their money anyway.
The stuff I need is pretty new and one specific company knows how to put it in a formula ( concentration, solubility,...) and they admit they would be able to help me but they can't due to their policy that says B2B.
I don't have the intention to start my own business, but if someone out here has a small business and wants to help me formulating, I give all credits to her/him. |
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Sun Mar 06, 2011 12:17 pm |
| well, can we know what are you trying to use? There are many members here at EDS and may be someone is already familiar with it and could help you out! |
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Sun Mar 06, 2011 12:27 pm |
| Steffita...I am not sure if you are in the U.S. or not, but you could always just go get a business license. I have had several in the past. You do not have to have a lawyer or any fancy papers drawn up. Google and you will find the form to fill out and the fee for it. It is pretty fast. That may solve your problem of purchasing. The only other issue may be a tax I.D. if the company you are wanting to purchase from requires one. That is also very easy to get...just make sure you pay your taxes when they come due. |
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Sun Mar 06, 2011 3:21 pm |
Thank you for your comments and support.
Unfortunately I live in Europe where it's not so easy to start something.
The thing I want to formulate or have formulated is:
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=41319
I contacted a few suppliers that could deliver the coleus forskohlii, but the one that is familiar with its use for pigmentation ( I know it's a pretty recent discovery) told me they know how to formulate it and they know what concentration, penetrators I could use, but they only share the information B2B, looks like a reputable company though, so if interested, I can give the URL in a pm
Thanks again |
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Sun Mar 06, 2011 4:16 pm |
OK, now that you have given some info, I think you can find help at the following link:
http://www.skinactives.com/product/detail.aspx?prodID=30
Also, feel free to post your question on the forum there at skinactives, Hannah, a scientist, there is very helpful!
Also , I looked at your other posting, Coleus forskohlii extract is listed towards the end of the ingredient list, I don't think its more than 1%, and probably .5% or even few drops or so.... |
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Mon Mar 07, 2011 2:00 am |
What I also want to know is:
they're selling coleus forskohlii in bulk and there's a 20 % purity extract ( which is affordable) but the 95 and 98 % extracts is extremely expensive even for a few mg's.
So far I havent found out what they used in the eyelash serum. I'd guess the 20 % version. Unless it's already very powerful at very small amounts for darkening hair, lashes,... |
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Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:11 am |
did some research and found out that coleus forskohlii is soluble in DMSO ( wouldnt be my first choice) acid ethyl ester or 100% ethanol ( been mixing it with ethanol and propylene glycol and it looked and felt like a chocolate cake, very dirty)
Looking at the ingredients of talika:
0.35 oz:
Aqua (water), Sodium Lactate, Carbomer, Hydrolyzed Sericin, Glycerin, Maltodextrin, Phenoxyethanol, Alcohol zdenat., Phosphatidycholine, Sodium Hydroxide, Allantoin, Dextran, Hypericum Perforatum (St. John's Wort) Extract, Pyrus Malus (apple) Fruit Extract, Hamamelis Virginiana (Witch Hazel) Extract, Aesculus Hippocastanum (horse Chestnut) Extract, Urtica Dioica (nettle) Extract, Coleus Forskohlii Root Extract, Acetyl Tetrapeptide-9, Acetyl Hexapeptide-1, Methyparaben, Butylparaben, Ethylparaben, Propylparaben, Isobutylparaben.
I wonder what ingredient helps solubling the forskolin? hard to figure out as an amateur  |
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Tue Mar 08, 2011 6:09 pm |
thank you, circus, I have heard bad stories about the denat alcohol, but how come it's been used in the talika formula without causing problems to the users?
Is the ethanol you're suggesting different from the ethanol you buy at the local pharmacy? |
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Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:56 am |
Steffita, denatured alcohol is approved for use in cosmetics. Perhaps it only affects few users very badly  Sure, denatured alcohol has additives to make it toxic, but it is cheaper than non-denatured alcohol, so that is what manufacturers use. You can use denatured alcohol if you like. Personally, I DIY because I get to pick and choose what I like or don't like. Otherwise I would save me some time and simply go buy a ready made product. 
I'm not too sure about the ethanol at the pharmacy. Just check that it is stated non-denatured and (at least) 90% alcohol.
Using a high proof vodka would also work. Some US ladies use Everclear.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everclear_(alcohol) |
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