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Sun Dec 26, 2010 8:32 am  |
Hello
This is my first time posting on a forum. I started,Ageless,11/1/10. My routine was Monday,Thursday and Saturday I did day 1. Tuesday,Friday and Sunday I did day 2 and wed I took a break.I noticed last week that around my mouth area it is a bit thin, the lower part of my face/mouth area looked longish,it wasn't like that before! Also when I smile there are pouches on either side of my mouth and my eyes are a bit hollow! 2 weeks ago I started Senta Maria Runge's isometric neck exercise daily. I started her other 2 neck exercises daily last week, the ones where your lower lip goes over the top and you smile with the corners of your lips up and back may have made the pouches worse also perhaps all the mouth smiling while doing the Ageless cheek excercises, it also seems I have lost some elasticity around my mouth. I have so much anxiety about my face now. I cant believe in such a short amount of time I could of had caused so much havoc to my face! I suppose I should of had done ageless only 2XS weekly for each day instead of 3! I imagine doing crush was not a good idea but I thought it was alright since I didn't have a skinny face but I imagine this is the reason for my thinner/longish lower face around mouth. I have stopped all facial exercises except the isometric neck. MY cheeks, upper lip,outer face and jaw looks nice. I hope stopping the exercises doesn't make me look worse then when I started! I do have a e mail into ageless.
I am 44 and always looked younger. I have been using frownies every other night for 6 years and my fore head is tight and I have no wrinkles! I did loose a little weight and the area directly under my chin is loose this is when I went looking for a neck routine. I didn't have very big cheekbones, kinda flat that is why I picked ageless.
I eat 6XS a day, don't drink or smoke and I eat very well. Never sunbathed and only use organic oils on my skin.
Any feedback would be great.
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Sun Dec 26, 2010 11:04 am |
Hi....i am convinced that facial exercises work - sometimes much too well.
I have also gone through gaunt stages. The good news is that by doing nothing, and i mean nothing.......things tend to resolve. Eat plenty and drink well to support this process.
I now do facial exercise once per week....with the aim to maintain the strength of the muscles in my face and hopefully prevent sagging. |
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Sun Dec 26, 2010 12:01 pm |
Hey there.
Ok that routine looks ok to me. It looks like though your adding very early on to your routine (been there done that myself) and so can only share sometimes its best not to do so. Were you doing all the exercises and massage as detailed in the book? Sometimes things do appear to get worse before they get better - but I don't think there is a program I've seen that hasn't had people say things like that about. FlexEffect, Ageless, Facercise etc all have reviewers who say they haven't got great results from them, but I suspect the trouble is with facial exercises you got to be in for the long haul. I started them in my early 50's and after I was going through a tricky time (hormones and all and the big MO), and I really truly wish I had started earlier.
I think the advice to stop doing anything and rest up is just what I would do. Usually the resting time lets the body undo what you have done. Then you will be like me, learn from the experience and not experience that again. I'd also say to email Loulou or her partner Anne (who does seem to be better at answering emails - but perhaps you won't get an immediate reply with it being boxing day and all) but still it will be a rest to your mind!
Best wishes to you and speedy recovery! |
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Sun Dec 26, 2010 6:46 pm |
Hi,
The book said to get through each day 1 and 2 at least twice weekly.I realize now that most routines have you doing a few reps daily such as Senta Maria's, neck exercises only call for 5 reps and she says to do them daily. They work instantly but I am afraid to do the ones except the isometric one.
I definitely over did Ageless! The routine calls for skin pinching, I didn't like the idea of pinching so I did some patting instead. I did notice the area where I pinched my face while doing crush exercise,the skin seems looser. I followed along with the dvd and studied it and the book before I even tried the routine.I am going to take it easy this week and see what happens. I did have some nice results. My face doesn't look horrid I just don't like/understand what I didn't like! It looks very different. I would like to continue Ageless but I need to figure out how to carry on.Definitely I will only do day 1 and 2 twice weekly and I will leave crush out or do it occasionally I can understand why some opt for surgery, it seems easier than figuring out what face routine to do. |
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Sun Jan 02, 2011 2:04 am |
Hi dickeymoe,
It sounds like it would be best to talk to an expert--either Loulou or another facial exercise expert (e.g., the FlexEffect trainers are very nice and helpful). The problem could be with technique, muscle imbalances (some muscles responding faster than others resulting in an undesirable look), training frequency, or with a general health issue (e.g., needing more nutrition). An expert will be able to help you troubleshoot better than we can. In the meantime, laying off the "Crush" exercise is a good idea, and has helped others who have had similar problems. I hope you figure it out! Best wishes  |
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Sun Jan 02, 2011 8:13 am |
| You aren't alone - I've been doing some sort of facial exercises for about two years now. If I do them everyday, my face really starts looking gaunt. So, I'm now doing them about 3x wk with less intensity. And, I've started forcing myself to sleep on my back - really difficult for me - I think it's helping more than anything. I do, definitely think facial exercises are important - just sometimes less is more. |
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Tue Jan 04, 2011 5:57 pm |
well my face looks better, my eyes are less wrinlkley and gaunt. my cheeks look a bit fuller and my undereye area looks nice and flows to my cheeks, if that makes sense! when I smile the pouches are less apparent around my mouth.I get it now how working your bucks till they get fuller can have a nice look but that awkard stage is not fun! I havent done any facial excercises in 11 days. I hope my face continues to improve as I was not very happy last week.
I don't know if I will continue because I really don't want another ugly episode. I have been all over the forums and have been reading for countless hours all the face exercise threads and my head is spinning from all the info!
Is it good to only train certain muscles and others some of the time or all of the muscles all the time? But if certain muscles build up quick and you don't want them bigger then you are spot training some right?
It reminds me of Pilates,do you get stronger doing the floor routine or do you get stronger using the machines? |
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Wed Jan 05, 2011 3:05 am |
Glad to hear its gotten better. I think the sad truth is that even if you don’t do facial exercises, you still at some point could reach an ugly episode where things start going south and then your end up having to do them and maybe the results taking longer. Same would happen if you use Retin A, you go through awkward stages, but they are just stages.
Now my understanding (and I’m not a trainer I have to add) from having done them for over 10 years now is that if some muscles build up quickly, then you don’t need to do all the reps recommended for that particular exercise and you can ease up on the amount of pulling that you are doing, so you don’t encourage it to build quickly. They often used to say, and I did think this was strange until I actually tried it for myself, that if you neglect a muscle and focus on the other weaker muscles over time the neglected muscle takes on a neglected look (and it is hard to put into words but I saw this myself and its not really that it’s a “neglected” look, but that the area kind of caved in and just looked pretty darn strange).
I do think that if you are new to facial exercises, then the best thing would be to start with a program like FlexEffect where they have a forum where you can ask questions and qualified trainers can guide you. I have often frequented there during the previous 10 years, and they do always give encouraging advice (which I haven’t always followed I have to say) but at least you will be guided moreso than with what you have currently been doing.
With Pilates, they used to say to me that the machines were only really good when you have mastered the floor work, as the floor work is what really teaches you to use your core, and trying to use the machines before you have done so is a waste of time. I loved the reformer though. |
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Wed Jan 05, 2011 7:59 pm |
Hi Dickeymoe
I am going to toss out an idea to you. There are certain exercises you were doing that require you to pinch, pull, prod or stretch out your skin. I know others may not agree with me on this, but I don't believe this is good for the integrity of the skin. Particularly, if you have thinner or more delicate skin. This type of skin cannot take the stress of these types of exercises. Just as our moms used to tell us to be gentle when removing eye makeup...the same thing applies to the rest of the face.. I know that those with medium to thicker skin might be able to tolerate this type of manipulation without adverse effects, but I don't believe everyone can tolerate it. I know for a fact, my skin could not tolerate it at the present time (I'm in my 50's), but it wouldn't have tolerated it back when I was in my 30's or 40's. So, my advice to you would be to move onto another program that doesn't require any physical manipulation of the skin. Also many people will get overbuild quickly, while others take longer to build muscle. You can still achieve results using a program that works to tone, tighten and lift the facial muscles rather than overstress the skin and muscles. I use Facercise and have never experienced overbuild and the program doesn't require any skin manipulation. Best wishes to you, Aprile |
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Thu Jan 06, 2011 2:50 am |
Aprile - I know you do Facercise and have been doing it for a while, but can I ask what makes you believe these kind of exercises will not be good for the integrity of the skin. I mean just to toss an idea out to you, why is it that Carole's No Lipo Lipo seems to go completely against the integrity of what your saying here, but you think the facial skin needs different handling. I also have to say that many people who I've seen who practice the be gentle to your skin don't necessarily look better for it.
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| I am going to toss out an idea to you. There are certain exercises you were doing that require you to pinch, pull, prod or stretch out your skin. I know others may not agree with me on this, but I don't believe this is good for the integrity of the skin. Particularly, if you have thinner or more delicate skin. This type of skin cannot take the stress of these types of exercises. Just as our moms used to tell us to be gentle when removing eye makeup...the same thing applies to the rest of the face.. I know that those with medium to thicker skin might be able to tolerate this type of manipulation without adverse effects, but I don't believe everyone can tolerate it. I know for a fact, my skin could not tolerate it at the present time (I'm in my 50's), but it wouldn't have tolerated it back when I was in my 30's or 40's. So, my advice to you would be to move onto another program that doesn't require any physical manipulation of the skin. Also many people will get overbuild quickly, while others take longer to build muscle. You can still achieve results using a program that works to tone, tighten and lift the facial muscles rather than overstress the skin and muscles. I use Facercise and have never experienced overbuild and the program doesn't require any skin manipulation. Best wishes to you, Aprile |
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Thu Jan 06, 2011 6:51 am |
Hi Theresa,
I prefaced my comment by saying that I am tossing the idea out because not every one's skin is the same. So if you have thin, aging or delicate skin to begin with, pulling, tugging or stretching will NOT be good for the skin. Just like when you sleep on one side of your face, your face will take on an asymmetrical look. The reason for this is because the skin on that side on the face becomes swollen and hence the skin has been stretched out. Not to say that it can't be corrected by back sleeping, but it most definitely has been stretched. Others with medium to thick skin may be able to tolerate more the aggressive stretching, pulling and tugging. But, the area beneath the eyes is one area that should never be over manipulated because the skin there is very thin with little fat and overstretching would cause sag and more wrinkling. Not to say that you cannot touch the area all, but it should not be overly aggressive or rough. In fact, Carole recommends that while using the beauty face mitt or bamboo glove, you always hold your face in the long O position to avoid stretching the skin. Just like she recommends you hold your face in that position while you perform certain exercises. The reason for everything in her routine is always to protect the skin from overstretching. Many people have been able to create some pretty impressive results using her program, while others may feel it’s not aggressive enough. It still works. Her bamboo & beauty face mitt will exfoliate the skin and massage it, but also do not stretch the skin. But, to your point about the No Lipo Lipo regimen: The body skin is most definitely different from the facial skin because it is always thicker. The body skin can take much more aggressive manipulation and massage than the facial skin. But even still, during the deep knuckle massage and even during the dry brushing portion of the routine, you are not pulling or stretching the skin away from the body. As you know, when you are finished with your NLL routine, your skin actually looks better. Hope that clarifies what I meant. Aprile |
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Thu Jan 06, 2011 7:43 am |
Aprile
No probs, I just wondered. I mean its so true that everyones skin is different, but then I can’t help but wonder if that means that NLL will not be for everyone. I have heard the other systems argue that the skin that is thin or weak is generally so because it wasn’t handled in the first place, and I know when I first started although I didn’t use a very aggressive program, I used Eva’s for a while and then Facial Magic, both would appear in comparison with Facercise to be aggressive because your using gloves etc but there is a program that kind of says it’s the most aggressive (and I’ve got my doubts re that as there is another program where you squeeze the skin).
From what I know though, I have to say you don’t really pull or stretch the skin substantially or for a very long period of time, just a few seconds, so maybe it has to do with the length of time the skin is stretched for perhaps? Sleeping on the side is kind of a great example, because most people sleep on their side for a good few hours – some 7 or 8. So I’m wondering whether the time is a factor here.
It just seems to look to me to be a bit of a contradiction where with the face, you go softly/gently, but with the body you do knuckle massage. I have never seen Carole advocate massage, and I’m wondering if this is because she believes it will be harmful to facial skin. I recall in her book she studied a particular kind of massage and offered it to her clients, but maybe she thinks its unbeneficial. Tonya Zavastra for example did a free video on youtube where she demo’d doing a knuckle kind of massage on the face. Do you think Carole’s against facial massage or believes it should only be a particular kind?
I wonder though how you can be sure that its possible to overstretch the skin of the lower eye. One person I asked this to said that there would be pain involved if you even tried, and so that it wasn’t possible. I was surprised with the beauty mitts though for example Carole doesn’t have you go in the eye areas at all. I remember having her old VHS video where she did a talk on the products and how to apply them, but she doesn’t seem to sell this anymore. I’ve no doubt people have been able to create impressive results from her program, but the same is true for all the programs out there. One of my friends still to this day does Facial Magic and swears she can’t ever see herself giving it up, whereas for me it didn’t do anything spectacular for my lower face.
Theresa |
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Thu Jan 06, 2011 8:02 am |
Hi Aprile,
I really wished I had just left my face alone! I have very, very white skin and I imagine it is thin because a few years ago a had developed a very mild case of rosacea from stress. I didn't look old actually I always looked very young thanks to my baby face and frownies and avoiding the sun.
I developed a little loose skin right under my chin. I started working out 2 years ago but I always eat good. My face really changed from doing face exercises.Before doing face exercises My bf suggested I see a plastic surgeon and perhaps he could do something with a laser just in that one spot to get the skin to shrink, I should have listened!I don't like lasers I believe they might help they also take away from the skin. I wanted to stay natural so I thought a simple quick routine like,ageless, would be okay. Unfortunately there are no disclaimers such as if your skin looks like this don't do this and I wonder from a legal standpoint where these facial exercise teachers stand if you do their programs and you look worse than before. It has been 14 days since I stopped and I still have the uglies around my mouth when I smile and when I push on the sides of my face the skin is wrinkled. My bf is upset that I bought a program off the Internet with out researching what kind of license they have to do what they do, a personal trainer has a certification from a proper college in that field.
I do believe pulling on the skin might be a bad idea. Thank you for the advice. |
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Thu Jan 06, 2011 9:10 am |
Hi dickymoe
I can understand your viewpoint and your experience completely, but do think that perhaps the program you chose to do isn’t the best one out there for supports/problems, and the forum isn’t as popular as it once was (not even by the program creator) so wonder if perhaps that’s also a reason for your results, and the fact that you couldn’t get good feedback/knowledge.
Lasers though can do more harm than good. I once thought about getting laser treatment, and if you google them you can see some real horror stories so I’m not so sure you would have been better off if its any consolation. If anything, many people who have laser treatments complain that their skin is worse off as a result of that threatment.
Actually the disclaimer thing is a good point, but I can’t help but wonder how it would be policed or judged. Whilst I’m in agreement with Aprile in that all our skins are different, I’ve also got to say for what its worth (and its been said to me for many times) that we each start with different goals/problems to work with, and that it takes time to correct these depending on the extent of that problem etc. I am jealous of you having a good diet though. I never did when I began (and I began in my 50’s) but I have over time worked to get it better and it is a lot better by most of my friends standards now (but I’m in my 60’s now). 14 days though isn’t really a very long time. When I’ve overbuilt areas before (using several different programs including that of Ageless), its always been suggested to me to give it 3-4 weeks max and during which time not to do anything with the areas. Now I’m wondering if perhaps your not doing exercises, but still somehow working the muscles. I’m not by any means trained though as a facial exercise trainer, so its only guess work based on what I’ve read before, but I’ve seen similar mentions of it and maybe you would be better off writing to Louise care of her business partner and seeing what she has to suggest.
However, I need to say hand on heart that with some programs its not so much pulling on the skin, although it does look like it, but without that technique the skin can’t change, as it needs to be worked deeply to get the body to renew the skin. However that’s just guess work on my part. I think Aprile’s comments though are based on her experience of Facercise and in my mind that’s substantially different than Ageless and so I wonder if perhaps you would be better seeking advice from another aggressive program teacher etc.
I do hope you get some success soon!
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Hi Aprile,
I really wished I had just left my face alone! I have very, very white skin and I imagine it is thin because a few years ago a had developed a very mild case of rosacea from stress. I didn't look old actually I always looked very young thanks to my baby face and frownies and avoiding the sun.
I developed a little loose skin right under my chin. I started working out 2 years ago but I always eat good. My face really changed from doing face exercises.Before doing face exercises My bf suggested I see a plastic surgeon and perhaps he could do something with a laser just in that one spot to get the skin to shrink, I should have listened!I don't like lasers I believe they might help they also take away from the skin. I wanted to stay natural so I thought a simple quick routine like,ageless, would be okay. Unfortunately there are no disclaimers such as if your skin looks like this don't do this and I wonder from a legal standpoint where these facial exercise teachers stand if you do their programs and you look worse than before. It has been 14 days since I stopped and I still have the uglies around my mouth when I smile and when I push on the sides of my face the skin is wrinkled. My bf is upset that I bought a program off the Internet with out researching what kind of license they have to do what they do, a personal trainer has a certification from a proper college in that field.
I do believe pulling on the skin might be a bad idea. Thank you for the advice. |
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Fri Jan 07, 2011 8:40 pm |
Hi Dickymoe,
I was re-reading your first post about how you did the exercises 3 times a day. That is definitely a “no no” regardless of the program you are using. The very most you should do them is twice a day, which I believe is probably what the program creator recommends. Whenever you overdo it, you will be stripping down the muscles of the face. Stripping is when you don’t allow the muscles to rest, recover, and build. Just like when working out with weights, you wouldn’t want to overwork the same part of body every day. Continuing that process can leave the face looking worse than when you first started. This is because the muscles of the face are much smaller and therefore stripping the muscles is immediately noticeable. The skin begins to sag because the muscles haven’t had appropriate time to rest and therefore they sort of collapse and the skin appears to sag. Also, I still believe that any pulling, tugging or pinching is not good for all skin types. Some people might be able to tolerate this type of rough treatment, but for others it’s a disaster because it does stretch the skin. This is not to say that you cannot return to the way you looked prior to starting the program. It should really only take a week for things to return to normal.
Regarding your questioning the credentials of facial exercise teachers, I don’t believe there is an actual accreditation process. Also, the facial exercise creators cannot be held responsible for adverse effects when people do not follow the program recommendations. I believe most of the books and dvds do have disclaimers because the facial exercise creator cannot control how the client will use the product. Also, some might easily experience overbuild because of their genetic disposition. It’s really trial and error to find what works best for each person. Just like when exercising your body, you learn how often you need to exercise in order to maintain your results….the same thing applies to facial exercise.
I do know that Carole Maggio is a licensed esthetician. She also owns and operates her own spa in California where she provides one-on-one Facercise training and Skype lessons on the web. This is truly the way to go when you are unclear about exactly how to perform the exercises and want that personal attention. She is also very knowledgeable about the musculature of the face, how the skin reacts and is definitely not a proponent of stretching the skin.
I hope this experience doesn’t leave a bad taste in your mouth for facial exercise. The area you speak about beneath your chin is easily correctable with the right facial exercise. Also, once you find the right program for you, you can use it for the rest of your life to avoid facial sagging, rather than having to resort to plastic surgery, lasers, Botox, fillers and the like. You are already ahead of the game because you have taken good care of your skin and are using Frownies to avoid night-time wrinkles! Take care, Aprile |
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Sat Jan 08, 2011 4:28 am |
Well why then was Carole at one point doing Facercise licensees and training to become a Facercise teacher can I ask? Surely thats some sort of credentials (although it is a short one, it was only 2 days or something like that?).
Also if that were true, then I imagine that what your saying is that most people who teach face exercises have no credentials, and that isn't true. Deb Crowley was a bodybuilder, and Eva Fraser was taught for a number of years by a person who designed the original exercises of her system. I know there might not be a standard method of qualification for facial exercises but thats not to say that the others aren't qualified.
Also as you mention Carole Maggio is a licensed esthetician, its interesting to me to note that many estheticians are actually against facial exercises of any sort (even hers!). Not that I agree with that viewpoint, but I think it worth throwng out there as food for thought.
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| Regarding your questioning the credentials of facial exercise teachers, I don’t believe there is an actual accreditation process. Also, the facial exercise creators cannot be held responsible for adverse effects when people do not follow the program recommendations. I believe most of the books and dvds do have disclaimers because the facial exercise creator cannot control how the client will use the product. Also, some might easily experience overbuild because of their genetic disposition. It’s really trial and error to find what works best for each person. Just like when exercising your body, you learn how often you need to exercise in order to maintain your results….the same thing applies to facial exercise. |
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Sat Jan 08, 2011 8:01 am |
Theresa -
I guess what I should have said is that I don't know what specific credentials each of the facial exercise program creators hold. As you said Deb Crowley was a former bodybuilder. Carole is a licensed esthetician, but that doesn't mean she isn't knowledgeable about how the facial muscles work. With respect to "licensing" others to train to become facial exercise trainers of their specific programs, of course they can do that because they are the creators of the programs and they own the trademarks. They each paid money to own the trademarks. So therefore they could sue if someone was making a profit teaching their programs and using their trademarks. But to me it appears their specific credentials may vary. In any event, they cannot be held accountable for adverse effects or lack of results. That is because not everyone will adhere to the specific program recommendations, some may overdo, others may not do it correctly, others may not perform the exerrcises enough, etc. Besides that, not everyones facial muscles will react the same way, not everyones skin is the same and so on. Do people sue their personal trainers due to lack of results? I doubt it. That is what I meant. Aprile |
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Sat Jan 08, 2011 6:21 pm |
Hi Aprile,
I did day 1 and day 2, 3XS a week not 3XS a day. If I had done them 3XS a day can you imagine what I would have looked like! Thank God I only did the occasional exercises twice, you don't need these muscles to lift your face, according to Ageless, but you should exercise them occasionally to keep them firm. 1 of them is for the for the forehead you pull your eyebrows out from your forehead and raise it up and down! I would have probably look like Herman Munster, by now!
I did get a response from Lou 2 weeks ago, telling me she miscalculated the impact of "crush" as it causes a lot of angst for people because of the result and it is not included in her new 30 day program! She also said it is going to be flagged as only for very chubby cheeked people to do!Why is she flagging it if it is not included in her new 30 day program doesn't make sense! I am chubby cheeked I don't have very high cheeks but they are chubby,also in the DVD it says when performing "CRUSH" if you look gaunt stop, I didn't so I kept on doing it.I had also asked about performing both day 1 and 2 on the same day so I could have more rest in-between exercise days their response was " if it works for you" not you are a beginner maybe it is not a good idea.I still had a lot of questions for her and it has been 2 weeks and nothing I only got the 1 reply. If there had been any sort of warnings I would have not done Ageless. What really bites the biscuit is the lack of compassion, I was very upset over my face and I am sure Lou Lou will have some sort of excuse for ignoring people.
I do believe facial exercises are beneficial but her routine is full of holes and I should have researched more, this is all new to me. I am looking for another program that has been around for a while that offers lots of support.I am looking at what happened to me as a learning experience maybe I was a bit to trusting. and hopefully my face will bounce back. I would never recommend ageless to anyone I would rather learn facial exercise from The Three Stooges.
I do think you have a good point about pulling the skin away from the face while doing facial exercises, maybe works for some and not others.I don't make it a habit of bashing others on forums but maybe someone reading this will think twice before they do what I did after all it is your face you can't hide it. |
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Sat Jan 08, 2011 8:17 pm |
Hi Dickymoe,
In case it helps, if you want a program with good support, the best facial support is probably provided by FlexEffect (their formers staffed by trainers), Carolyn of Carolyn's Facial Fitness (I've heard that she's very responsive to email), and Carole Maggio of Facercise (I've heard she responds to emails, but that it can take up to a week to hear back; but she also does Skype training and gives advice on tailoring the exercises).
HTH |
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Sun Jan 09, 2011 8:45 am |
Hi Dickymoe,
I really do think your face will bounce back. I feel badly that you felt a lack of compassion from the creator of the program. I don't believe you are bashing; you are upset. I would agree with CM5597. You should look for a program with support. But, you should also ask some important questions about the program first, i.e. is there any skin manipulation involved? For instance, do you ever need to pull the skin away from the face. Also, considering you look rather young for your age, I don't believe you need something so aggressive. This forum is great, but it is full of opinions from people who are loyal to certain programs (myself included.) That being said, I do believe you can attain results from programs that do not involve manipulation of the skin. The Facercise program has you use your hands on your face mostly to prevent skin stretching and wrinkling. The forehead lift has you place your hands above your eyebrows and hold down the skin down to create a resistance to lift your eyesbrows up. There is no skin stretching involved. This exercise eliminates the look of hooded eyes. You are correct, you should do some research. However, I think you are smart to avoid the laser. Lasers thin the skin and have also been known to burn skin that is thinner and more delicate. Best wishes to you, Aprile |
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Mon Jan 10, 2011 2:55 am |
| I have to say though that if you read Amazon, Facercise can cause wrinkles to the forehead, especially with the brow exercise. I know I had the same results when I did it, and wrote to Maggio, and she wasn't very supportive or able to make any good suggestions. On Amazon, others have written that they have developed forehead lines as a result, and I think thats worth flagging, as otherwise you would believe Facercise works for everyone (and I doubt there is any program out there that will). |
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Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:08 am |
| Really Theresa ~ that is interesting. Do you have overly thin or delicate skin? Because my skin is thin and delicate and my lines have actually decreased since performing that exercise. But, what you say is true not all programs are for everyone. That being said, Dickymoe does not need a program that requires the skin be pulled away from the face. When I viewed that YouTube of the Ageless cheek exercise, it appeared she was pinching and pulling the skin of her cheeks away from her face. That could most definitely be part of the problem for her. By contrast, this exercise requires you to hold the skin in place so I am not quite sure how that happened to you. Carole now has a message on her site about questions regarding the exercises. Something about you must sent photos in order for her to be able to diagnose via email. I think this is good because unless she actually sees what is going on it's pretty hard to diagnose via back and forth emails. Of course, in person or via Skype would be much better because then she could see what someone might be doing wrong. Aprile |
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Mon Jan 10, 2011 9:04 am |
I wouldn’t say I had thin or delicate skin, but I do have sensitive skin for sure, but it can be dry at times, but I noticed that I never had any lines from many of the other programs before – and I own about every darned one out there. It is one of those things though that I did notice (and I waited for the dvd to make sure I was doing it right). However, even though you say that Dickymoe doesn’t need a program that requires skin to be pulled away from her face, I’m thinking she just had bad luck with Ageless as in the beginning there were many who got great results, so I’m wondering whether she was just unlucky. Also I don’t agree with the pinching of the skin as such, as that did make me go quite red when I begun, and I still do Ageless just not as regularly as I did in the beginning, but I have to say that many programs which require handling of the skin, don’t necessarily pull the skin away from the face, merely lengthen the muscles and then have the person contract, so its not per se stretching the skin beyond its normal limits. In fact the FlexEffect Creator, Deb, actually highlights in her newer book that she believes that stretching the skin is one of the reasons why they’ve always been so successful with their results. I didn’t realize it either, but someone PM’d me and said she was actually a qualified Personal Trainer too – so I guess she did some studying also.
I can understand the point on her website, but its also interesting noting that when her first book came out, and the first dvd’s (basic and adv) she did answer emails then, and her response to me about the brow exercise was basically that I should hold my fingertips on that line to stop them getting deeper, well the thing was when I tried that lines created around where my fingers were (above and below). I’ve just tried searching Amazon for that original reviewer which I read only a few weeks ago but can’t find it.
Having seen Ms Maggio in person, I also think her photos are very OTT in the sense that she is heavily made up with make up. I’ve no problem with people doing her exercises or her teaching them, but think that the photos that are often put about in the media about her don’t look like the real thing particularly also as she is selling skincare stuff – I think it would be much more encouraging if people saw her natural skin colour etc and build without the make up. For example why doesn’t she ever get a shot of herself without makeup if Facercise is so brilliant so we could see her muscle tone etc. The same with the before/afters in her book. The major differences isn’t so much facial tone, but the hair and makeup. Even in Maggio’s original book (the old slimline one which was out in the 90’s) her before and afters look questionable to me, because one looks like a holiday snap, and the after picture is a professional photo done by a photographer in which she isn’t making the same facial expression and so of course looks 100 times better. I’m definitely a fan of hers, her No Lipo Lipo program has been a life saver to me, and her figure is to die for but I just feel with her face, we’re not getting the fuller picture and considering she’s in a business where she is trying to encourage people to do facial exercises, I think it would help everyone if they saw the natural Carole rather than the made up one (and likewise for the before/after photos). Hows about showing us some long term photos of Facercisers who have done it for a while rather than just 7 days?
At the time of writing this though, I see her new book has an entry on Amazon (with a due date of March 18, 2011)
http://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Facercise-Carole-Maggio/dp/0330519964/ref=sr_1_12?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1294673508&sr=1-12 |
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Mon Jan 10, 2011 9:28 am |
Hi
I went to Carolyn's web site. The free eye exercise does the same thing that "WISH" does from Ageless except with Ageless you are pulling the skin at the corner of the eyes then quickly opening and shutting your eyes.
I would never recommend Ageless to a beginner it is "spot" training and you are supposed get quick results, maybe not a good idea and I imagine it causes imbalances such as the ones I have now. I know some have said they had good results, maybe it is a better program for a experienced exerciser who has done the whole face for a while and wants to tweak their routine but all the pulling and squeezing, is something I will never do to my face again. I have seen the pics of LouLou, and I took another look and I will say she doesn't look very natural, her face is way built up and her eyes look like pin holes. You really don't know the whole back story of her face just what she divulges. I don't like to criticize some ones face but if you are selling a product for the face it can be expected. I guess I went for the most dramatic result figuring look at her she must know what she is doing instead of looking at the whole picture. Okay so it didn't work for me and I hope my face rights itself,learned a big lesson but the lack of customer service is terrible!
I have a nice symmetrical,natural face. I wasn't born with big high sculpted out cheekbones. I don't want to change my face a la Cruella DeVille, it won't look natural. It is like when someone gets cheek bone implants it never looks natural because the rest of their face doesn't match.
This is a wonderful forum and I really appreciate the feedback. |
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Tue Jan 11, 2011 6:37 am |
Hi Theresa,
I know you say you are a fan of Carole Maggio's, but you always seem to point out what you perceive as negative. I have said this before I honestly don’t think her personal preference to wear makeup hides her results in any way. I have not scrutinized the other facial exercise creators or their websites, but I would gather most of them wear at least some makeup. I have seen some of the Flex Effect b&a photos of her clients, and they are wearing makeup. But, their application of makeup in no way detracts from us seeing their results. It is obvious that changes have occurred. Perhaps Carole's new book will have b&a photos of clients taken further apart than a week. But, I believe the intention was to show subtle changes can occur pretty quickly to encourage the user. I also disagree with your assessment that the clients are so differently made-up on her site or in her last book. The makeup looks basically the same to me and the photos of the clients appear to be taken by the same photographer; all taken in the same pose -- not smiling in both the before and after photos. But, getting back to the most important observation that I pointed out to Dickymoe was the adverse effect of skin stretching. If you are lengthening the muscles as you say by pulling on the skin that could be detrimental to some skin types. For instance, what are the normal limits? I gather not the same for everyone. Dickymoe has already experienced some adverse affects by doing something similar using the Ageless program. I don’t think she wants to take that risk again. Using resistance exercises to achieve her personal goals without stretching the skin or pulling on it in any way, is most likely the best way to go for her.
Aprile |
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