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Tue May 11, 2010 8:03 am  |
{Edited by Mabsy: This thread was split from discussion on Copper Peptides and Breasts}
If you want to use a copper peptide containing cream, just make sure that you are comfortable with using creams with potential estrogenic effects.
BDN contains lavender oil which has both estrogenic and antiandrogenic effects.
Copper has also shown an estrogenic effect. |
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37, light brown hair, green eyes, very fair skin. Oily T zone, broken capillaries... Current regime: Tretinoin 0.05% every night, hydroquinone 4% twice per day, lachydran every other day, random moisturizers and sunscreen |
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Wed May 12, 2010 8:30 am |
| Josee wrote: |
If you want to use a copper peptide containing cream, just make sure that you are comfortable with using creams with potential estrogenic effects.
BDN contains lavender oil which has both estrogenic and antiandrogenic effects.
Copper has also shown an estrogenic effect. |
Copper PEPTIDES do NOT have an estrogenic effect. That is very misleading information to post |
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early 60's, fair skin, combo skin, very few fine lines, vertical lip lines, crows feet & 11's, fighting aging! Using Palancia HF, dermarollers, CPs, Retin A Micro, Safetox, AALS, Clairsonic |
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Wed May 12, 2010 1:41 pm |
| foxe wrote: |
| Josee wrote: |
If you want to use a copper peptide containing cream, just make sure that you are comfortable with using creams with potential estrogenic effects.
BDN contains lavender oil which has both estrogenic and antiandrogenic effects.
Copper has also shown an estrogenic effect. |
Copper PEPTIDES do NOT have an estrogenic effect. That is very misleading information to post |
Actually, it is NOT known whether copper peptides have an estrogenic effect or not.
What it IS known is that copper peptides disintegrate very quickly in plasma (please see the articles cited in the "Science..." thread) separating the copper.
Secondly many copper peptide creams have added copper chloride which would readily provide copper.
And then it IS known that copper has estrogenic effects.
So... it is more than sensible to think that putting a copper containing cream on your breast will provide free copper to the tissues which in turn can cause estrogenic stimulation. |
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37, light brown hair, green eyes, very fair skin. Oily T zone, broken capillaries... Current regime: Tretinoin 0.05% every night, hydroquinone 4% twice per day, lachydran every other day, random moisturizers and sunscreen |
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Wed May 12, 2010 5:09 pm |
It is not necessarily "sensible" to think using copper is going to cause estrogenic stimulation. This is your speculation.
You have stated that you have never used CP's, and still devoted an entire thread to your own ideas against them. And now you come over here to do the same thing. It's very odd.
And you use Hydroquinone and accutane - known problem ingredients. It doesn't make sense.
Personally if I was using a known possible carcinogen I'd be less likely to cast aspersion on other products. |
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Wed May 12, 2010 6:56 pm |
| sister sweets wrote: |
It is not necessarily "sensible" to think using copper is going to cause estrogenic stimulation. This is your speculation.
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No this is not speculation. Studies HAVE shown that copper has estrogenic activities:
Comp Biochem Physiol C Toxicol Pharmacol. 2010 Jun;152(1):51-6.
Toxicol In Vitro. 2009 Jun;23(4):569-73.
| sister sweets wrote: |
And you use Hydroquinone and accutane - known problem ingredients. It doesn't make sense. |
There is not one single case of an adverse reaction with low dose accutane and there is not one single case reported of cancer associated with hydroquinone, even though it's been in use for over 50 years.
It makes perfect sense to me but it surely does not need to make sense to you or to anyone else.
| sister sweets wrote: |
Personally if I was using a known possible carcinogen I'd be less likely to cast aspersion on other products. |
Well... since copper is also a potential carcinogen and copper peptides actually have made some tumor cells grow faster... I take it you think CP users shouldn't be criticizing much. Me, I think anyone can criticize whatever they want. |
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37, light brown hair, green eyes, very fair skin. Oily T zone, broken capillaries... Current regime: Tretinoin 0.05% every night, hydroquinone 4% twice per day, lachydran every other day, random moisturizers and sunscreen |
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Wed May 12, 2010 9:34 pm |
Josee
Sister Sweets did not say the hydroquinone caused cancer, but that it contains a possible carcinogen. A notable difference. |
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Tue May 24, 2011 10:37 am |
| I've been using BHRT for more years than I've been using CPs. I get a blood test every year. There was no change in my estrogen levels when I started using and continued using CPs. |
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