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Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:38 am  |
"Dr. Michael Gold said he has been dispensing cosmeceuticals for 22 years and has seen the market explode. "There is now a $700 moisturizer," he said. "There may be no difference" between that and a $10 moisturizer, "but some people will pay the $700 because it’s $700."
Dr. Gold, the founder and medical director of a skin care center based in Nashville, Tenn., urged his colleagues, "If you dispense, do it ethically." |
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Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:50 am |
This is thew interesting part IMO. Shame the trial is to be so small.
"Dr. Marmur and her associates are conducting the first independent, randomized, blinded, controlled trial comparing over-the-counter antiaging creams. With more than 130 subjects enrolled, the study will evaluate 28 biomarkers in seven lines of products, with the people who apply the products blinded to the product being used. Not all antiaging cream manufacturers are included, however, "Some brands refused to participate" perhaps because they were afraid that the study would show that their product is effective but is a pharmaceutical, she said." |
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Sensitivity, forehead pigmentation & elevens, nose & chin clogged pores. Topicals: Aloe vera, squalane, lactic acid, Myfawnie KinNiaNag HG: Weleda calendula, Lanolips, Guinot masque essentiel, Flexitol Naturals, Careprost. Gadgets: Vaughter dermarollers, Lightstim. |
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Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:42 am |
"For antiaging, she suggested recommending sunscreens containing avobenzone, oxybenzone, octocrylene, reflecting spheres, or antioxidant botanicals."
Hmm, yeah, I was reading happily along until this. I would think she would recommend physical sunblock. Honestly, it's simpler not to mention safer. If you commit to only using zinc oxide, you read about its properties, safety track record, etc. If you commit to using chemical sunscreens, you have to research all those ingredients (which tend to appear in pairs in any chemical sunscreen) which means most people won't bother. Not to mention some chemical sunscreens produce free radicals (which is the reason why UV lights are the primary cause of aging in the first place). |
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Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:31 am |
| onmyboat wrote: |
"For antiaging, she suggested recommending sunscreens containing avobenzone, oxybenzone, octocrylene, reflecting spheres, or antioxidant botanicals."
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I didn't like that part either! The other issue is that chemical sunscreens need to absorbed, but many of us are layering products and using some actives which are UV sensitive so it's far more practical to slap zinc oxide over the top. |
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Sensitivity, forehead pigmentation & elevens, nose & chin clogged pores. Topicals: Aloe vera, squalane, lactic acid, Myfawnie KinNiaNag HG: Weleda calendula, Lanolips, Guinot masque essentiel, Flexitol Naturals, Careprost. Gadgets: Vaughter dermarollers, Lightstim. |
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Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:36 am |
| Also on page 3 it lists the dr's affiliation with certain companies. HA! J&J and Galderma are both listed - J&J owns Neutrogena(or at least it did). And they have affiliations with each of the "recomended" products. |
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Wed Feb 15, 2012 11:59 am |
I would think by "reflecting spheres" she meant physical uv filters.
The chemical filters mentioned are relatively poor choices, but imo it is more of an FDA's problem. They have been slow in approving better uv filters (Tinosorbs) and also slow in regulating how sunscreens are marketed.
Still a great article. I don't find the affiliations to be a problem since they were fully disclosed without people having to probe and ask.  |
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Wed Feb 15, 2012 1:31 pm |
Ain't that the truth, LauraLizzie. It's always important to check out a person's connections before taking any recommendations they make.
I remember reading an article in a magazine with the writer defending some company, and after Googling him found he works for an organization receiving funding from that company. 
I agree with $700 vs $10 statement though. BUT some people erroneously believe that this means drugstore brands are just as good as high-end luxury department brands. Which isn't at all true. A lot of drugstore brands are owned by a handful of companies. So when someone finds that brand A doesn't work for them, and switches to brand B, they're still paying the same corporation. Same with more expensive brands. Estee Lauder owns MAC, Clinique, Origins, Smashbox, La Mer, Aveda, among many others.
You're far better off buying from a smaller company that sells organic/clean products and also incorporates actual thought and science into their formulations. |
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Fri Feb 17, 2012 7:43 am |
I do not know how the title of the thread got changed?
Thanks, BFG |
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Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:01 am |
| Barefootgirl wrote: |
I do not know how the title of the thread got changed?
Thanks, BFG |
LOL. This happened when I posted about the Dermapen. My post ended up in this thread and I asked the mods to move it. How your title got changed, I have no idea. The site was really bad for the past 2 days for me. I could not get on but for a few seconds and that was it! |
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Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:57 am |
Riley - perhaps you could post the link to this article on DrJ's "Let's Make A List" thread.
Because this is the old chestnut - it all comes down to moisturiser and sunscreen! And I believe it! |
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Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:17 am |
| rileygirl wrote: |
| Barefootgirl wrote: |
I do not know how the title of the thread got changed?
Thanks, BFG |
LOL. This happened when I posted about the Dermapen. My post ended up in this thread and I asked the mods to move it. How your title got changed, I have no idea. The site was really bad for the past 2 days for me. I could not get on but for a few seconds and that was it! |
Hmmm, not sure what happened there either but, as Riley mentioned, there was definitely a day or two of technical difficulties. Not sure what the title was prior to the glitch but I've updated it to at least reflect this thread. Or you can let me know what you would like to call it via the Report button, BFG. Same with your thread, riley. HTHs! |
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Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:06 pm |
| Firefox7275 wrote: |
This is thew interesting part IMO. Shame the trial is to be so small.
"Dr. Marmur and her associates are conducting the first independent, randomized, blinded, controlled trial comparing over-the-counter antiaging creams. With more than 130 subjects enrolled, the study will evaluate 28 biomarkers in seven lines of products, with the people who apply the products blinded to the product being used. Not all antiaging cream manufacturers are included, however, "Some brands refused to participate" perhaps because they were afraid that the study would show that their product is effective but is a pharmaceutical, she said." |
I'd like a list of all those companies refusing to participate. That would be informative.
But with 7 products, this cannot be a definitive study. There are hundreds of actives to test. Each product could contain more than one. The products in the trial are not randomly selected (selection bias results from those who refused to participate). Who chose which products? Any from leading edge categories?
And it is interesting that the subjects are blinded, but not the experimenters. Its just as easy to blind both. ... is there an assumption here that only the subjects have any biases?
I think I'll look further into this design and report back. |
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Sun Feb 19, 2012 6:12 pm |
My guess is the 7 product lines participating are the ones most confident that their stuff does more than just moisturize.
Don't underestimate the power of a good moisturizer though. |
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