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SkyWalker
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Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:03 am  |
Hello! I've been lurking here for a while but I haven't been able to find an answer to my question through search results.
I just turned 20 a few weeks ago and I was wondering if I am too young to begin taking collagen supplements. I am already on MSM but it seems like collagen will aid not only in clearing up my skin but also with hair growth. I was considering Neocell because it is cheaper but I was also thinking about BioSil. So am I too young to start this? TIA |
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Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:50 pm |
| People start losing collagen in their 20's. But since you just turned 20 you may not have started losing it yet. Signs will be wrinkling, drooping, joint pain, and worsening quality of hair skin and nails. Biosil is a good product but so often I hear of some getting breakouts from it. I like NeoCell, personally. |
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Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:09 pm |
Who has made these claims about collagen SkyWalker, and are they backed by studies published in a reputable scientific journal? Are you referring to straight collagen or hydrolysed (marketed as a source of low MW hyaluronic acid)?
Collagen is a protein, your digestive system will digest it like any other. The amino acids will be utilised by the body as required, skin is unlikely to be preferentially treated. If your diet is deficient in protein the body generally prioritises essential repairs and maintenance not beautiful skin, if your diet contains more that the body can utilise it will be burned as energy or stored as fat.
It is generally far more effective to clean up the diet than expect individual or small groups of nutrients to make up for poor lifestyle habits. Nutrients work synergistically and in opposition, so supplementing without reference to the needs of the individual can do more harm than good. |
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Sensitivity, forehead pigmentation & elevens, nose & chin clogged pores. Topicals: Aloe vera, squalane, lactic acid, Myfawnie KinNiaNag HG: Weleda calendula, Lanolips, Guinot masque essentiel, Flexitol Naturals, Careprost. Gadgets: Vaughter dermarollers, Lightstim. |
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SkyWalker
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Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:56 pm |
| Thank you so much for responding! |
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Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:22 pm |
Firefox, I am not Skywalker but have seen studies on collagen and skin density, improvements in bone density, etc.
"Research has shown that oral collagen can actually increase the number/density of skin cells and enhances the formation of collagen fibers (Journal of Nutr Sci Vitaminol, 52, 211-215,2006"
But people feel it for themselves when they take it. Try google, there are a lot of studies out there. |
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Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:20 am |
| What kind of "studies"? Can you provide a link if that is allowed on this site? Collagen supplements don't do anything for the skin. As Firefox said its best to eat healthy and drink plenty of water. As far as skin supplements, I think biotin and msm in combination with a healthy antioxidant rich diet is the best option. |
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Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:29 am |
Another vote for skipping the rest and going to biotin and MSM. Just to warn you, it doesn't clear up your skin. Hair will look better, increase your protein intake for extra results.
I notice when I stop taking these. |
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Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:33 am |
| Cat_eyes wrote: |
| What kind of "studies"? Can you provide a link if that is allowed on this site? Collagen supplements don't do anything for the skin. As Firefox said its best to eat healthy and drink plenty of water. As far as skin supplements, I think biotin and msm in combination with a healthy antioxidant rich diet is the best option. |
All the "studies" I find in favor of oral collagen supplements are on sites selling them!
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Transdermal Delivery of Amino Acids and Antioxidants Enhance Collagen Synthesis: In Vivo and In Vitro Studies
http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10.1080/03008200500416716 |
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Sun Apr 29, 2012 12:10 pm |
I will respectably agree we disagree for our own personal preferences, I am happy for those who are finding great results taking these supplements. I just choose not to take them.  |
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Sun Apr 29, 2012 12:18 pm |
| 7Destiny wrote: |
Firefox, I am not Skywalker but have seen studies on collagen and skin density, improvements in bone density, etc.
"Research has shown that oral collagen can actually increase the number/density of skin cells and enhances the formation of collagen fibers (Journal of Nutr Sci Vitaminol, 52, 211-215,2006"
But people feel it for themselves when they take it. Try google, there are a lot of studies out there. |
Here is one study you cite (Effects of Ingestion of Collagen Peptides on Collagen Fibrils and Glycosaminoglycans in the Dermis):
http://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/jnsv/52/3/211/_pdf
Basically it's a study done on piglets (3 per group) whose standard diet was supplemented with either nothing (Group 1) or "porcine skin-derived collagen peptides" (Group 2) or Lactalbumin, which is milk albumin from whey (Group 3). Dosage for Collagen Peptide was 0.2 grams per kg of body weight. |
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Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:27 am |
| 7Destiny wrote: |
Firefox, I am not Skywalker but have seen studies on collagen and skin density, improvements in bone density, etc.
"Research has shown that oral collagen can actually increase the number/density of skin cells and enhances the formation of collagen fibers (Journal of Nutr Sci Vitaminol, 52, 211-215,2006"
But people feel it for themselves when they take it. Try google, there are a lot of studies out there. |
I am not spending hours filtering the occasional gem from reams of pseudo-science and sales pitches on Google, but I did a brief search on PubMed and came up with little to nothing.
Who are you quoting please 7Destiny? The words before the reference are not the study title, I can only find them on EDS and on QVC. Have you been able to access and review the study for yourself? Unfortunately Lacy53's link doesn't work for me, nor does the link from PubMed.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16967766
Collagen peptides suggests to me hydrolysed collagen, which is not the same animal as whole collagen protein. Hopefully someone who has access to the full study can confirm or deny. |
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Sensitivity, forehead pigmentation & elevens, nose & chin clogged pores. Topicals: Aloe vera, squalane, lactic acid, Myfawnie KinNiaNag HG: Weleda calendula, Lanolips, Guinot masque essentiel, Flexitol Naturals, Careprost. Gadgets: Vaughter dermarollers, Lightstim. |
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Wed May 09, 2012 3:03 pm |
Very interesting discussion!
I've been wondering whether collagen supplements indeed are useful - it seems logical they won't survive the journey through our digestive system...
Curious to hear more about this! |
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Wed May 09, 2012 6:48 pm |
| I heard that getting enough vitamin C is what's needed to maintain collagen levels. |
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Thu May 10, 2012 3:44 am |
| That's what I thought as well. That vitamin c internally and externally supported collagen. |
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Thu May 10, 2012 4:01 am |
Firefox, do you get nothing when you enter Journal of Nutr Sci Vitaminol, 52, 211-215,2006?
Try googling dermis density and collagen or similar.
I am trying to satisfy your interest in scientific citation, but personally I found my own experience compelling plus the hundreds of reviews online. Have you ever tried collagen 1 & 3 yourself? |
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