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Tue May 15, 2012 9:52 am  |
Does anyone have any information regarding this supplement? Its being touted as a major anti-aging supplement, a Telomerase Activator?
Or is anyone already taking these? |
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Tue May 15, 2012 9:54 am |
| Tiny wrote: |
Does anyone have any information regarding this supplement? Its being touted as a major anti-aging supplement, a Telomerase Activator?
Or is anyone already taking these? |
Do you have any links to the information Tiny?  |
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Tue May 15, 2012 10:01 am |
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| Tiny wrote: |
Does anyone have any information regarding this supplement? Its being touted as a major anti-aging supplement, a Telomerase Activator?
Or is anyone already taking these? |
Do you have any links to the information Tiny? |
I am reading this one right now:
http://www.ta65supplement.org/for-sale/ |
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Tue May 15, 2012 10:13 am |
Thanks Tiny I will read them also! |
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Tue May 15, 2012 10:18 am |
| Tiny wrote: |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
| Tiny wrote: |
Does anyone have any information regarding this supplement? Its being touted as a major anti-aging supplement, a Telomerase Activator?
Or is anyone already taking these? |
Do you have any links to the information Tiny? |
I am reading this one right now:
http://www.ta65supplement.org/for-sale/ |
Legit lab science, but no solid clinicals of note, patented by Geron, licensed out, full dose costs $8,000 per year plus lab and physician fees. Others in the class will be less burdensome financially. |
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Tue May 15, 2012 10:21 am |
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| Tiny wrote: |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
| Tiny wrote: |
Does anyone have any information regarding this supplement? Its being touted as a major anti-aging supplement, a Telomerase Activator?
Or is anyone already taking these? |
Do you have any links to the information Tiny? |
I am reading this one right now:
http://www.ta65supplement.org/for-sale/ |
Legit lab science, but no solid clinicals of note, patented by Geron, licensed out, full dose costs $8,000 per year plus lab and physician fees. Others in the class will be less burdensome financially. |
I saw that, but if you search further, thats the highest cost, it can be bought for less (alot less) from the list of Doctors, and no lab work, or appointment needed. Not all the listed Doctors are requiring that it appears
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the second link, sells this for 219.00 a month thats $2628 a year. And less if you buy in bulk. |
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Tue May 15, 2012 10:42 am |
| Tiny wrote: |
| DrJ wrote: |
| Tiny wrote: |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
| Tiny wrote: |
Does anyone have any information regarding this supplement? Its being touted as a major anti-aging supplement, a Telomerase Activator?
Or is anyone already taking these? |
Do you have any links to the information Tiny? |
I am reading this one right now:
http://www.ta65supplement.org/for-sale/ |
Legit lab science, but no solid clinicals of note, patented by Geron, licensed out, full dose costs $8,000 per year plus lab and physician fees. Others in the class will be less burdensome financially. |
I saw that, but if you search further, thats the highest cost, it can be bought for less (alot less) from the list of Doctors, and no lab work, or appointment needed. Not all the listed Doctors are requiring that it appears
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the second link, sells this for 219.00 a month thats $2628 a year. And less if you buy in bulk. |
That's for the low dose (250 mg). The high dose (1,000 mg) works out to ~3 times that. If I'm taking this, I am on the high dose (which is the one in the testing). |
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Tue May 15, 2012 10:46 am |
Good point Dr.J, I agree, I want the high dose, but there really are doctors charging less. Since I want to look into Bio Identical hormones and some in my area, using this, do those as well, I might make an appointment and see what they say and how much.
Whats your take on Bio Identical Hormone replacement? |
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Tue May 15, 2012 10:55 am |
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Good point Dr.J, I agree, I want the high dose, but there really are doctors charging less. Since I want to look into Bio Identical hormones and some in my area, using this, do those as well, I might make an appointment and see what they say and how much.
Whats your take on Bio Identical Hormone replacement? |
I'm OK with BH. Wish there was more data, but then I wish that about everything  |
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Tue May 15, 2012 10:57 am |
Curr Mol Med. 2005 Mar;5(2):171-7.
Skin aging: a role for telomerase and telomere dynamics?
Boukamp P.
Skin is a complex tissue composed of two very different compartments -- the continuously renewing epidermis made up mostly by keratinocytes and the underlying matrix-rich dermis with the resting fibroblasts as its major cellular components. Both compartments are tightly interconnected and a paracrine mutual interaction is essential for epidermal growth, differentiation, and tissue homeostasis. Skin aging is commonly viewed as wrinkle formation, hair greying, and impaired wound healing. Nevertheless, the epidermis as the outermost shield needs to remain intact in order to guarantee an inside-out and outside-in barrier function throughout life time of a human being. Furthermore, the epidermis is one of the few regenerative tissues that express telomerase, the ribonucleoprotein complex that can counteract telomere erosion, one of the presently mostly favoured potential mechanisms causing cellular aging. This raises the question whether in the epidermis telomerase is able to counteract telomere erosion and thereby to prevents a telomere-dependent aging process and consequently which part of the skin is responsible for the most obvious changes associated with skin aging. |
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Tue May 15, 2012 11:18 am |
very hard to extract |
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Tue May 15, 2012 11:22 am |
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very hard to extract |
If you go to Astraglaxo web site, its interesting and it states they've passed the audition of the national pharmacutical (not sure what that means). And its not dirt cheap either but less. |
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Tue May 15, 2012 11:26 am |
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very hard to extract |
If you go to Astraglaxo web site, its interesting and it states they've passed the audition of the national pharmacutical (not sure what that means). And its not dirt cheap either but less. |
The pills or the raw material, I make extracts all the time??? |
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Tue May 15, 2012 11:31 am |
Crackaging.com
claims to have its own farms, and extraction, yada yada. But its another place selling this stuff.
DM if your askig me if they sell pills or liquid its pills, if your asking Dr.J why its hard to exact then I will let him answer that one  . |
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Tue May 15, 2012 11:35 am |
| Tiny wrote: |
Crackaging.com
claims to have its own farms, and extraction, yada yada. But its another place selling this stuff.
DM if your askig me if they sell pills or liquid its pills, if your asking Dr.J why its hard to exact then I will let him answer that one . |
I was asking you what they sell (the form). I can research how and if it can be extracted at home! |
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Tue May 15, 2012 11:39 am |
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| Tiny wrote: |
Crackaging.com
claims to have its own farms, and extraction, yada yada. But its another place selling this stuff.
DM if your askig me if they sell pills or liquid its pills, if your asking Dr.J why its hard to exact then I will let him answer that one . |
I was asking you what they sell (the form). I can research how and if it can be extracted at home! |
I've only found various supplements, nothing in powder, plant or liquid form. But I was not searching that way, so perhaps it can be found. |
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Tue May 15, 2012 11:43 am |
| Tiny wrote: |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
| Tiny wrote: |
Crackaging.com
claims to have its own farms, and extraction, yada yada. But its another place selling this stuff.
DM if your askig me if they sell pills or liquid its pills, if your asking Dr.J why its hard to exact then I will let him answer that one . |
I was asking you what they sell (the form). I can research how and if it can be extracted at home! |
I've only found various supplements, nothing in powder, plant or liquid form. But I was not searching that way, so perhaps it can be found. |
I will check out what is out there and if it can be a DIY possibility! |
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Tue May 15, 2012 11:46 am |
| Tiny wrote: |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
| Tiny wrote: |
Crackaging.com
claims to have its own farms, and extraction, yada yada. But its another place selling this stuff.
DM if your askig me if they sell pills or liquid its pills, if your asking Dr.J why its hard to exact then I will let him answer that one . |
I was asking you what they sell (the form). I can research how and if it can be extracted at home! |
Here's the company line:
I've only found various supplements, nothing in powder, plant or liquid form. But I was not searching that way, so perhaps it can be found. |
How is TA-65® made?
TA-65 is a naturally occurring single molecule found in the small molecule from a medicinal plant. T.A. Sciences has developed a proprietary process to refine and purify TA-65. Our process begins with tons of plant material harvested from selected farms in one small region in China. In our plant extraction facility, the raw small molecule from a medicinal plant root is chopped up and refined. After initial extraction, the base ingredient is further purified and then sent to an outside government testing facility where it is tested for purity, heavy metals, and pesticides. The product is then sent to a FDA certified, state-of-the-art, laboratory for final purification that ends up with 90+% pure TA-65.
Why not simply buy a medicinal plant extract in a health food store?
Medicinal plant extracts can be found in most health food stores, but such products contain little or no TA-65. We tested 4 commonly available medicinal plant extracts and none of them contained any measureable amounts of TA-65 (the test assay is accurate to one part per million). Our proprietary production process starts with 3 tons of plant material and ends up with capsules that we guarantee contain 5mg of TA-65.
Learn more about our quality standards and testing here.
Also remember its patented. Any commercial op would be at risk of shut down. DIYers safe, but it doesn't sound easy ("start with 3 tons of polant material ..." I cannot tell if they are blowing smoke. |
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Tue May 15, 2012 11:46 am |
Ok just found information were an ISO certified lab tested TA65 and the main ingredient in it is Cycloastragenol, but it also found TA65 makers, break down the cycloastragenol even further than other products, thus making it more effective. It is the product to meassure all others against.
But if its the BEST, can taking more of a "lesser" one still bennefit the user?
ets:this information is found on RevGenetics
they also state crackaging is a chineese company and therefore no way to verify anything about them or by them. Now that said, they are selling the T65 |
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Tue May 15, 2012 1:46 pm |
DM I could be wrong, but I think DIY on this might be difficult. But I do fail miserably at any such endeavour.
Research is showing they are breaking this down, over and over to get this fine tuned. |
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Tue May 15, 2012 1:49 pm |
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DM I could be wrong, but I think DIY on this might be difficult. But I do fail miserably at any such endeavour.
Research is showing they are breaking this down, over and over to get this fine tuned. |
I will have to read more on that, I see the root and powder, Evercleer is pretty good at extracting the goodies. You may be correct that it won't work at the same level at home! |
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Tue May 15, 2012 1:51 pm |
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DM I could be wrong, but I think DIY on this might be difficult. But I do fail miserably at any such endeavour.
Research is showing they are breaking this down, over and over to get this fine tuned. |
I will have to read more on that, I see the root and powder, Evercleer is pretty good at extracting the goodies. You may be correct that it won't work at the same level at home! |
check the website RevGenetics they post the findings of all the testing and information, it is worth looking at |
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