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Sat Mar 17, 2012 7:44 pm  |
| Any new exciting finds? |
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Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:57 am |
Can you try using something like mineral makeup?
I know that a lot of mineral makeup has an SPF? |
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Sun Mar 18, 2012 8:01 am |
| Colorescience makes many micronized mineral sunscreen powders, clear and tinted. I love the Orb, thanks to Riley's recommendation! SPF 30 BTW. |
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Sun Mar 18, 2012 1:00 pm |
I stay away of powders because of the fear that powder particles can get inhaled into lungs and cause lung problems 
I love Devita sunblock but it is a bit too heavy in summer. I remember some EDS members discussed other physical sunblocks which are less heavy, but I can't remember the names! |
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Sun Mar 18, 2012 1:21 pm |
| RussianSunshine wrote: |
| Any new exciting finds? |
Hi RussianSunshine!
I don't think anything new has come out yet. The only thing lighter than Devita that I can think of is the Clarins? |
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Sun Mar 18, 2012 2:34 pm |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
| Colorescience makes many micronized mineral sunscreen powders, clear and tinted. I love the Orb, thanks to Riley's recommendation! SPF 30 BTW. |
Here's what Nicky at Futurederm has to say about powder sunscreens:
7. Foundation or powder with SPF does not really work.
You need 14 times the average application to get the SPF protection listed on the package. Scientists test facial powders to determine SPF in a manner mandated by the FDA, assuming that 2mg of product will be used per cm2 of skin. However, the average face is about 600cm2, meaning that a person needs to apply about 1.2g of facial powder to get the SPF stated on the product’s label. Most women only apply about 0.085g of powder at a time – fourteen times less than you need to get the SPF listed on the package!
http://www.futurederm.com/2012/03/16/the-12-most-shocking-facts-about-skin-care-in-2012/
Seeing as how you use your powder over a liquid sunscreen DM I think you're OK. |
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Sun Mar 18, 2012 2:56 pm |
| jom wrote: |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
| Colorescience makes many micronized mineral sunscreen powders, clear and tinted. I love the Orb, thanks to Riley's recommendation! SPF 30 BTW. |
Here's what Nicky at Futurederm has to say about powder sunscreens:
7. Foundation or powder with SPF does not really work.
You need 14 times the average application to get the SPF protection listed on the package. Scientists test facial powders to determine SPF in a manner mandated by the FDA, assuming that 2mg of product will be used per cm2 of skin. However, the average face is about 600cm2, meaning that a person needs to apply about 1.2g of facial powder to get the SPF stated on the product’s label. Most women only apply about 0.085g of powder at a time – fourteen times less than you need to get the SPF listed on the package!
http://www.futurederm.com/2012/03/16/the-12-most-shocking-facts-about-skin-care-in-2012/
Seeing as how you use your powder over a liquid sunscreen DM I think you're OK. |
True jom,
Also when I do where makeup it is MMU so all added together it is a good amount, plus I avoid the sun as much as possible especially on my face.  |
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Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:09 am |
Clarins has more white cast than Devita and I would not say it is less moisturizing.
Have you heard about SkinCeuticals Physical Fusion UV Defense SPF 50?
It is supposed to be a slightly tinted fluid suitable for oily skin.
And what about EltaMD, riley, have you tried it?
| rileygirl wrote: |
| RussianSunshine wrote: |
| Any new exciting finds? |
Hi RussianSunshine!
I don't think anything new has come out yet. The only thing lighter than Devita that I can think of is the Clarins? |
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Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:12 am |
| RussianSunshine wrote: |
Clarins has more white cast than Devita and I would not say it is less moisturizing.
Have you heard about SkinCeuticals Physical Fusion UV Defense SPF 50?
It is supposed to be a slightly tinted fluid suitable for oily skin.
And what about EltaMD, riley, have you tried it?
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I only tried 1 Elta product 1 time, and it was a long time ago. I can't even remember the name. Just had a sample packet. I did not like it at all. Very greasy to me.
Yes, I have heard of the SC Physical Fusion SS, which is next on my list to purchase! |
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Mon Mar 19, 2012 11:28 am |
| rileygirl wrote: |
Yes, I have heard of the SC Physical Fusion SS, which is next on my list to purchase! |
And Paula says it is good for sensitive skin too. It would be nice to get a sample of it  |
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Mon Mar 19, 2012 11:46 am |
| RussianSunshine wrote: |
And Paula says it is good for sensitive skin too. It would be nice to get a sample of it |
It would be nice to get a sample first, RussianSunshine. I am just not sure where we could get that! |
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Mon Mar 19, 2012 11:57 am |
| I like Burnout Eco-sensitive SPF 32 for my oily skin on hot, humid days. It's very matte and not too terribly whitening for my fair skin, just requires a bit of oil with my cleanser to wash it off. |
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Wed Apr 25, 2012 10:34 am |
| jom wrote: |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
| Colorescience makes many micronized mineral sunscreen powders, clear and tinted. I love the Orb, thanks to Riley's recommendation! SPF 30 BTW. |
Here's what Nicky at Futurederm has to say about powder sunscreens:
7. Foundation or powder with SPF does not really work.
You need 14 times the average application to get the SPF protection listed on the package. Scientists test facial powders to determine SPF in a manner mandated by the FDA, assuming that 2mg of product will be used per cm2 of skin. However, the average face is about 600cm2, meaning that a person needs to apply about 1.2g of facial powder to get the SPF stated on the product�s label. Most women only apply about 0.085g of powder at a time � fourteen times less than you need to get the SPF listed on the package!
http://www.futurederm.com/2012/03/16/the-12-most-shocking-facts-about-skin-care-in-2012/
Seeing as how you use your powder over a liquid sunscreen DM I think you're OK. |
Interesting. I too was looking for a powder with SPF 30+... I already use liquid sun screen, but what happens if you have foundation/powder on and you're going to be out in the sun? You can't reapply the liquid sunscreen.
So, I was hoping there would be a mineral powder I could apply periodically to keep the protection up...
Also, any stronger than 30 SPF liquid sun screen for oily/combination skin, other then the Skinceuticals 50SPF?
How long do the effects of a physical vs chemical sun screen last? If I'm in the office all day, will it still be effective at 5pm when I go out in the sun?... |
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Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:48 pm |
| RussianSunshine wrote: |
I stay away of powders because of the fear that powder particles can get inhaled into lungs and cause lung problems
I love Devita sunblock but it is a bit too heavy in summer. I remember some EDS members discussed other physical sunblocks which are less heavy, but I can't remember the names! |
Have you tried the Devita Rx Ultrasolar 50? That is much lighter that the Devita SPF30s. My skin is sensitive/ eczematous but fine with this (always loves aloe!).
"This formulation is created specifically for those sensitive to breakouts but is an excellent choice for anyone interested in preventing the damaging effects of the sun.
Actives: Zinc Oxide 19% (Transparent), Titanium Dioxide 8%
Inactives: Purified water, Aloe Vera Gel, Capric/Caprylic Triglycerides (derived from Coconut Oil), Stearic Acid, Vegetable Glycerin, Magnesium Ascorbyl Phosphate, Hyaluronic Acid, Glyceryl Stearate (from Vegetable Oil), Soy Lecithin, Vitamin E (Acetate), Allantoin, Comfrey Root Extract, Grape Seed Extract"
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/devita-rx-ultrasolar-50-p_14030.htm |
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Sensitivity, forehead pigmentation & elevens, nose & chin clogged pores. Topicals: Aloe vera, squalane, lactic acid, Myfawnie KinNiaNag HG: Weleda calendula, Lanolips, Guinot masque essentiel, Flexitol Naturals, Careprost. Gadgets: Vaughter dermarollers, Lightstim. |
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Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:55 pm |
| fitgineer wrote: |
How long do the effects of a physical vs chemical sun screen last? If I'm in the office all day, will it still be effective at 5pm when I go out in the sun?... |
You would need to reapply unless you used an endurance sports type product which generally won't have the texture you want. There is no way you are not going to sweat, produce sebum, blink, frown/ smile, drink/ eat, wipe or touch your face during the day. The zinc or titanium will be active indefinitely but all of these will cause the product to move around on the skin or transfer off. |
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Sensitivity, forehead pigmentation & elevens, nose & chin clogged pores. Topicals: Aloe vera, squalane, lactic acid, Myfawnie KinNiaNag HG: Weleda calendula, Lanolips, Guinot masque essentiel, Flexitol Naturals, Careprost. Gadgets: Vaughter dermarollers, Lightstim. |
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Thu Apr 26, 2012 3:22 am |
| jom wrote: |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
| Colorescience makes many micronized mineral sunscreen powders, clear and tinted. I love the Orb, thanks to Riley's recommendation! SPF 30 BTW. |
Here's what Nicky at Futurederm has to say about powder sunscreens:
7. Foundation or powder with SPF does not really work.
You need 14 times the average application to get the SPF protection listed on the package. Scientists test facial powders to determine SPF in a manner mandated by the FDA, assuming that 2mg of product will be used per cm2 of skin. However, the average face is about 600cm2, meaning that a person needs to apply about 1.2g of facial powder to get the SPF stated on the product’s label. Most women only apply about 0.085g of powder at a time – fourteen times less than you need to get the SPF listed on the package!
http://www.futurederm.com/2012/03/16/the-12-most-shocking-facts-about-skin-care-in-2012/
Seeing as how you use your powder over a liquid sunscreen DM I think you're OK. |
Yes, I use the Colorescience Orb after Burnout Physical Sunscreen so you are correct. 
As to worries about inhaling the ZO&TD, I already wear MMU and with both the MMU and Orb, I hold my breath while applying as much as possible. People using any powder containing Talc need to be aware how that can also be bad if inhaled.
I honestly feel we already breath such polluted air my products are a tiny part of a big picture? JMO.
The thing I like about the ORB is that I can reapply as needed without removing any makeup I am wearing, not an option with non-powder (crushed minerals) sunscreens. Plus I have a travel size as well as the regular, and the travel one fits easily in pocket or purse. |
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Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:51 am |
| Firefox7275 wrote: |
Have you tried the Devita Rx Ultrasolar 50? That is much lighter that the Devita SPF30s. My skin is sensitive/ eczematous but fine with this (always loves aloe!).
"[i]This formulation is created specifically for those sensitive to breakouts but is an excellent choice for anyone interested in preventing the damaging effects of the sun. |
No, I haven't. If it is lighter than Devita SPF30 I am willing to try it.
So far I have been happy with Paula's Choice Pure Mineral Sunscreen SPF15 with the following ingredients:
Titanium Dioxide 6.94%; Zinc Oxide 2.25% (sunscreen agents). Other Ingredients: Water, Cyclopentasiloxane, Cyclomethicone, Dimethicone (silicones used as skin conditioning and suspending agents for the sunscreen actives), Methylpropanediol (slip agent), PEG-10 Dimethicone (silicone thickener), Glycerin (skin-identical ingredient), PEG-10 Dimethicone/Vinyl Dimethicone Crosspolymer (water resisting agent), Alumina (thickener), Acrylates/Dimethicone Copolymer (water resisting agent), Camellia Oleifera (Green Tea) Leaf Extract, Vitis Vinifera (Grape) Seed Extract (antioxidants/soothing agents), Methicone (skin conditioning agent), Triethoxycaprylylsilane (binding agent), Butylene Glycol (solvent), Sodium Chloride (stabilizer), Magnesium Sulfate (thickener), Phenoxyethanol, Methylparaben
It does feel nice on skin but has some silicones and parabens. |
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Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:31 am |
| I'm still in love with Devita. I have dryer skin though, and I require extra oil to be put on before my sunscreen so I'm guessing it would work better out of the box for someone a bit oilier. |
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Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:14 am |
| Have you tried Shiseido's sunblocks yet? I found the SPF 55 cream to be more drying/matte than the SPF 60 lotion, but they both have very cosmetically elegant and matte finishes. |
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Wed May 02, 2012 7:04 am |
| The Organic Pharmacy, and SkinCeuticals Physical UV Defense |
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Fri May 04, 2012 5:19 am |
I second the recommendation for Shiseido spf 55 cream. Here in Canada it's spf 50 though. But yes, this sunscreen is really good. It does have fragrance though, but doesn't irritate my skin. Dries matte. Great under makeup. It's water resistant. I can't wear this everyday because my skin is dry and I can't have to wash my face more than once to remove it because my skin is too sensitive. But I will wear it if I am going to be outdoors. It does leave a slight white cast but I don't mind as I am very pale. And it is definitely on the drier side for a sunscreen. Definitely not oily and is definitely matte. Which I personally don't like very much but it's a good sunscreen nonetheless.
For an everyday sunscreen for indoors, I'm quite liking EltaMD Spf 46 UV Clear. It is zinc based and has 5% niacinimide. It's slightly dewy looking at first, which I quite like. But then it dries more matte. It is quite drying for my skin, so I'm thinking you might like this one then with your skin type. And the white cast is very minimal to non-existent. It has a sort of brightening effect if anything. (I actually wish it left MORE of a white cast because when sunscreens do that, they work like a tinted moisturizer for me LOL!) |
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Fri May 04, 2012 8:07 am |
| chyi wrote: |
| The Organic Pharmacy, and SkinCeuticals Physical UV Defense |
chui, SkinCeuticals Physical UV Defense is on my list already!
| egyptiangoddess wrote: |
For an everyday sunscreen for indoors, I'm quite liking EltaMD Spf 46 UV Clear. It is zinc based and has 5% niacinimide. It's slightly dewy looking at first, which I quite like. But then it dries more matte. It is quite drying for my skin, so I'm thinking you might like this one then with your skin type. And the white cast is very minimal to non-existent. It has a sort of brightening effect if anything. (I actually wish it left MORE of a white cast because when sunscreens do that, they work like a tinted moisturizer for me LOL!) |
egyptiangoddess ( lovely nick!), this sunblock surely looks interesting. Especially the fact that it contains 5% niacinamide! I also do not mind a tiny bit of white cast since I am very pale. Thanks for a suggestion! |
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