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walrez
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Thu May 24, 2012 3:22 am  |
Hi,
I'm a new member. I subscribed because I'm interested in facial exercising, and I've found that there's a lot of information about them in this forum.
I've been browsing the many threads about the subject, until I found this on the sticky post: "Face exercise destroyed my face”.
I'm not allowed to post the link, but as I said, it's listed in the sticky ("DIY Skin Care—Recipe Index, Dermarolling, Facial Exercise").
It's about a guy (nicknamed “yoga”) who claims that in two weeks, the exercises totally changed his face structure in a very negative way. There's a lot of discussion there, and he sounds really desperate.
Since some people wrote “my prayers are with him” and things like that, I started to take it seriously.
The problem is that the discussion was left unfinished.
Does anybody know what happened with him?
Can face exercising really affect a face so dramatically?
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Thu May 24, 2012 3:14 pm |
| Which facial exercise program did he use? I've been doing Ageless for about 5 months and have not had any negative results from it. |
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Thu May 24, 2012 4:17 pm |
| sandooch wrote: |
| Which facial exercise program did he use? I've been doing Ageless for about 5 months and have not had any negative results from it. |
He says it's Carol Magio's.
It sounds weird... I never thought that something so drastic could happen as a result of exercising...
Did you find the thread? |
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Thu May 24, 2012 6:39 pm |
Yes I did. I think it sounds weird as well. I've done Carole Maggio's program which, in my opinion, is not as intense as the Ageless program. I find it hard to believe that in just 2 weeks it could practically disfigure his face and that avoiding the exercises for 2 months didn't cause it to go back to the way it was and that even after he stopped he said, "every day i wake up with a new face." Very odd! That makes it sound like his face kept changing even without the exercises.
I have heard of overbuilding your facial muscles with facial exercise, but when you stop doing it, it goes back to where it was before.
Please don't let this one post scare you away from facial exercise. Even if this person did have this happen to him, he would be the rare exception. |
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Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:36 am |
Yes, don't do facial exercises if you are young. It ruined my face as well. They say everything will go back to normal after you stop doing them but it's not true. Of course facial exercises can lead to permanent damage when you tug at the delicate under eye area. Most doctors will tell you that facial exercises are bad and they're right! I really don't know what to do about my under eyes because any medical intervention here seems risky since it's such a thin delicate area. Facial exercises were the stupidest mistake I ever made. I read young people say that it ruined their face too and I thought it was specific to the program they did so I tried one that didn't have any bad reviews yet. ALL facial exercise programs can ruin your face so don't make the same mistake I did. My under eyes look really terrible, especially since the rest of my face is so young looking. It doesn't match so they stand out even more. I wish there was a solution to get my eyes back to how they were before I did the exercises but there isn't.  |
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Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:19 am |
I must admit that I am not at all clear as to why young people would be doing facial exercises.
Arent they anti aging exercise, using resistance to counter the effects of gravity?
If you havent yet encountered the facial aging effects of gravity.. how could the exercises be beneficial or work in the way that they were designed? |
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Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:20 am |
Budderball my heart goes out to you because I know you have had one bad experience with just one program, but don’t jump to the wrong idea with facial exercises. There are some youngsters who do them and swear by them – so not all programs ruin your face. It’s a stupid thing to try and make people believe and its incorrect. Its kind of like saying I tried a carrot and didn’t like it and therefore all vegetables are bad. Also with the under eye area, the program you used is very gentle compared with others out there – but my understanding is that you start out gently and work your way up with almost every program there. You have only done 1 program out of the many hundreds out there – so be realistic. Your eyes can and will get back to how they looked before your exercises I’m sure but you need to go cautiously that’s all. All I can say is that at 50 years old when I started out, my eyes were probably terrible, but as a result of working up gently and doing different programs I feel my eyes are in a much better place now than they ever were and I wish I had started out when I was younger. I do think that if you are young, you need to work with someone who is experienced and can guide you because you don’t need to go intense or undo lots of damage. Your face is in a state you don’t like, and you’ve not said whether you had spoken to Carolyn or how you tried to rectify this because I’m sure if you are like most people you would have tried everything you can. Carolyn gave a friend some isometric kind of exercises when she had similar issues and I believe they were helping her at the time, so it makes me wonder if you have spoken with her and shared your concerns? One thing that Carolyn is well known for is her customer service.
No doctor is trained in facial exercises – and will be quick to say they are bad, without proper investigation into them. So its kind of like going to a doctor who specialises in digestive issues when you have heart problems – sure they’ll give you some advice but no where near what you need.
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| Yes, don't do facial exercises if you are young. It ruined my face as well. They say everything will go back to normal after you stop doing them but it's not true. Of course facial exercises can lead to permanent damage when you tug at the delicate under eye area. Most doctors will tell you that facial exercises are bad and they're right! I really don't know what to do about my under eyes because any medical intervention here seems risky since it's such a thin delicate area. Facial exercises were the stupidest mistake I ever made. I read young people say that it ruined their face too and I thought it was specific to the program they did so I tried one that didn't have any bad reviews yet. ALL facial exercise programs can ruin your face so don't make the same mistake I did. My under eyes look really terrible, especially since the rest of my face is so young looking. It doesn't match so they stand out even more. I wish there was a solution to get my eyes back to how they were before I did the exercises but there isn't. |
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Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:21 am |
| Sorry just realised my response above may sound harsh, but I know this has been posted in a different thread, and it always scares me to think that people new to facial exercises will be highly influenced by these kind of comments. Sure sharing experiences is great, but all information is vital and basing ones sole opinion on only one program and writing them all off as a result is just plain crazy. Off my soapbox now! |
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Wed Apr 17, 2013 1:29 pm |
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I must admit that I am not at all clear as to why young people would be doing facial exercises.
Arent they anti aging exercise, using resistance to counter the effects of gravity?
If you havent yet encountered the facial aging effects of gravity.. how could the exercises be beneficial or work in the way that they were designed? |
catski, the benefit I found starting face exercises when young is I was able to maintain the tone in my face of my youth so that I still looked like I was 20 fifteen years later. Also I prevented the development of lines and wrinkles even though I haven't used any anti-aging topicals (eg glycolics, Retin-A, copper peptides). I only use sunblock on my face and the occasional mineral powder if I get too shiny.
In fact, not only did my face feel firm and have no lines at 35, my hooded eyelids which run in my family completely disappeared as the tone in my eyes was improved completely transforming my eyes.
These were my eyes at 2 years old:
My eyes at 20 years old before face exercises:
Notice how in both the photos that I just posted, you cannot see my upper eyelids because the skin below my eyebrows seems to hood them.
But then my eyes in my 30's were not hooded anymore:
And this is how my eyes look now in my 40's:
My belief is a well-designed program that doesn't use resistance is good as a starting face exercise program particularly for young people, and I base that on my own experience. I did Eva Fraser's program starting with the Beginner version as shown in her 1991 book and did it for many months to lay a good solid foundation before I moved on to the Intermediate and Advanced programs that introduced resistance to my somewhat better prepared muscles as they had good tone able to withstand any stretching.
I haven't read the links yet to topic referred to above where damage occurred from Facercise, but like Sandooch, I am also surprised because Maggio's program seems like a gentle program that uses little resistance so one would expect things to return to normal after stopping the program, especially after such a short time. Still, I don't want to dismiss the guy who complained because his experience is real to him. My only questions would be did he spot train? I know so many people who start face exercise start them trying to fix something and tend to go gung-ho on exercises they believe address the issue (instead of doing the complete program) which can lead to an imbalance in the tone of related muscles since all face muscles are interconnected and therefore all need to be exercised for a uniform lift to occur. Also, I wonder if he contacted Carole Maggio when he started to notice issues. I believe keeping in touch with the designer of whatever program you do is important.
Anyway, let me go read those threads. I just saw Catski's question and wanted to address it. |
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Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:26 pm |
I know this won't be popular, but I had a bad experience with facial exercise. The brow exercises left me with hooded eyelids and a thickening of the muscles just above my eyebrows. I quit doing the exercies about a month ago and the area has much improved, although the "thicknes" has yet to entirely diminish. Hopefully, it will in a few more weeks. That said, the only exercise I now do, or will ever do, are those where you lift the chin and push out your lower jaw. That has been a bit effective.
For the believers, I'm happy it worked for you. Just sharing my experience. |
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Thu Apr 18, 2013 1:26 am |
Hi alabamagirl
Don't worry re being popular, but your post is interesting because it sounds like you were or are only exercising special areas. No program out there advises that for good reason. Every program is designed to hit all the groups of muscles in the face, and part of the reason is to prevent awkward results like that which you mention. You don't say which program you did, but I suspect that if it was a balanced program then you would exercise everything. Likewise doing an exercise just for the chin I think is a bad idea, because if that develops or bulks up then the rest of the face will look stranger in comparison. Just my personal opinion of course!
| alabamagirl wrote: |
I know this won't be popular, but I had a bad experience with facial exercise. The brow exercises left me with hooded eyelids and a thickening of the muscles just above my eyebrows. I quit doing the exercies about a month ago and the area has much improved, although the "thicknes" has yet to entirely diminish. Hopefully, it will in a few more weeks. That said, the only exercise I now do, or will ever do, are those where you lift the chin and push out your lower jaw. That has been a bit effective.
For the believers, I'm happy it worked for you. Just sharing my experience. |
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Thu Apr 18, 2013 1:55 am |
Facial excercise is pretty much echoing what happens with bodily exercise.
You can overbuild and shorten muscles etc, just the same.
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:58 am |
Thanks y'all. I did the free you tube video on "muscles don't end at the neck." (or something like that) It exercised the entire face with resistance - it's a 60-minute video. I also ordered a couple of face exercise books and looked at a variety of videos/websites of the popular programs. They seemed very much alike to me.
The exercise that gave me a problem is the one where you hold your fingers above your eyebrows and lift your brows with resistance.
I know it works for many, not knocking anyone's regimes/beliefs.  |
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:14 am |
That is the Tal Reinhart workout. I have worked from the DVD. Its a good system. I had no problems with it at all.
Amazing that it's all there for free on youtube!
Sorry it didnt work for you alabamagirl. |
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:46 am |
Coming from an athletic background,and being a male, i can say everyone should be careful.
Like any other muscles,facial muscles can be injured also.
You best deal would be to go really really slow
and then improve your way up,till the absolute necessary point.No need for more.Just conditioning then.
Seems a solid way to prevent damage,is to stretch the muscle and massage it prior to the exercises.
Then after the exercises,warm down again with stretching and massage. |
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:12 am |
Panoslydios which of the programs do you think, based on your experience is a good program?
| panoslydios wrote: |
Coming from an athletic background,and being a male, i can say everyone should be careful.
Like any other muscles,facial muscles can be injured also.
You best deal would be to go really really slow
and then improve your way up,till the absolute necessary point.No need for more.Just conditioning then.
Seems a solid way to prevent damage,is to stretch the muscle and massage it prior to the exercises.
Then after the exercises,warm down again with stretching and massage. |
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Sat May 11, 2013 5:29 am |
Carol Maggio's program is awful. It made ME look so old. Ageless is awful.
When I switched to Eva fraser's program I saw better results...and no "ugly" stage  give me a break... |
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Sat May 11, 2013 9:16 am |
| Nonie, awesome pictures! Your eyes are fabulous! I wish I had your discipline and foresight. Your post made me re-think facial exercises. I'm trying a bit of everything at the moment so may look into Eva. |
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Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:39 am |
| Most people have hooded eyes when they are younger because it's plump, healthy flesh. I did. In your thirties, if you aren't overweight, the fat in your face diminishes, giving you hollowers eyes and cheeks. That is why people use fillers. |
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Thu Jun 20, 2013 1:17 am |
That's the idea though behind doing facial exercises, that you keep it healthy and plump and can avoid fillers.
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| Most people have hooded eyes when they are younger because it's plump, healthy flesh. I did. In your thirties, if you aren't overweight, the fat in your face diminishes, giving you hollowers eyes and cheeks. That is why people use fillers. |
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Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:21 pm |
| SoftSkin wrote: |
| Most people have hooded eyes when they are younger because it's plump, healthy flesh. I did. In your thirties, if you aren't overweight, the fat in your face diminishes, giving you hollowers eyes and cheeks. That is why people use fillers. |
But hooding has to do with skin hangover than lack of plumpness. In the images below showing aging, the oldest face has loose skin hanging over the eyes hooding them. Not so the youngest face:
Another example is Queen Elizabeth II. When she was young, you could see her upper eyelids:
With aging, the skin above her eyes has sagged and hooded her eyelids so you cannot see them anymore:
Except for me who has done face exercises, hooded eyes that run in my family continue to be more hooded with age in everyone's eyes. |
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Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:28 pm |
| budderballer wrote: |
| Yes, don't do facial exercises if you are young. It ruined my face as well. They say everything will go back to normal after you stop doing them but it's not true. Of course facial exercises can lead to permanent damage when you tug at the delicate under eye area. Most doctors will tell you that facial exercises are bad and they're right! I really don't know what to do about my under eyes because any medical intervention here seems risky since it's such a thin delicate area. Facial exercises were the stupidest mistake I ever made. I read young people say that it ruined their face too and I thought it was specific to the program they did so I tried one that didn't have any bad reviews yet. ALL facial exercise programs can ruin your face so don't make the same mistake I did. My under eyes look really terrible, especially since the rest of my face is so young looking. It doesn't match so they stand out even more. I wish there was a solution to get my eyes back to how they were before I did the exercises but there isn't. |
Can someone please define what age "young people" are? I find this confusing. The term "young people" could mean almost anything...it's all relative. |
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Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:30 pm |
| catski wrote: |
I must admit that I am not at all clear as to why young people would be doing facial exercises.
Arent they anti aging exercise, using resistance to counter the effects of gravity?
If you havent yet encountered the facial aging effects of gravity.. how could the exercises be beneficial or work in the way that they were designed? |
And I am not at all clear as to what age "young people" are.  |
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Mon Jun 24, 2013 9:33 pm |
| Bellabambiiina I suppose they mean faces that haven't started to show signs of aging, from teens to folks in their early 30's whose faces still have the plumpness of youth, have hardly any lines/wrinkles, nor any sag. |
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