Copper Peptides messed up my skin?????
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free skin care · Fri May 25, 2012 5:56 am

I know there is a big post below regarding copper peptides.....but want to ask this question. I don't recall any directions that came with the super cop that I got and I used it on my arm skin. Now my arms look like a 100yr old woman's. It reminds me of an elephant where the skin is hanging!!!!! I thought it was supposed to be such a good thing and very liberally put it on my inner arms - pretty consistantly since Jan 2012 and after derma rolling! It's been since then that I noticed how bad they looked. (didn't know I should dilute it!) Question - other than NEVER using it again, what are suggestions to repair that skin and the crepey/sagginess?? At this point I'm looking at 3/4 sleeves all summer long!!! I'm not overweight and my arms are pretty toned other than that!!

free skin care · Fri May 25, 2012 6:13 am

I would start taking MSM and Vitamin C supplements. They are recommended to be used in conjunction with CPs. You can find out how they work for skin repair on the Skin Biology website.

I am not sure what else to suggest to reverse this (others can jump in here) but I wanted to post this to those who are considering copper peptides:

When used correctly, CPs can be wonderful. It is absolutely essential to start slowly - not using every day and diluting. Never apply liberally - even when your skin is used to them. I have been using CPs for about a year and still use just the smallest amount. There is a dilution schedule posted on the large CP thread that should help.

DebM - I am so sorry to hear about your situation.

free skin care · Fri May 25, 2012 7:19 am

Thanks erg - I'm going to check my glucosamine/ chondroitin that I started taking for my bad knees about a month ago to see if there is MSM in it!!

free skin care · Fri May 25, 2012 7:25 am

You also might want to browse the Skin Biology forum... you will see posts from others who have had the same experience. You might learn from others what has worked to reverse. I doubt if you email Skin Bio directly you would get a good response - but I would look at the forum.

Hope that helps, good luck!

free skin care · Fri May 25, 2012 11:03 am

I have never used supercop but anytime I've experienced any sagginess from CP's (at the beginning) just from taking a break from them my skin would bounce back quickly.

I agree with erg to take vit.C & MSM and keep your arms moisturized. Your skin will probably bounce back quicker than you think.

free skin care · Fri May 25, 2012 4:30 pm

DebM wrote:

I know there is a big post below regarding copper peptides.....but want to ask this question. I don't recall any directions that came with the super cop that I got and I used it on my arm skin. Now my arms look like a 100yr old woman's. It reminds me of an elephant where the skin is hanging!!!!! I thought it was supposed to be such a good thing and very liberally put it on my inner arms - pretty consistantly since Jan 2012 and after derma rolling! It's been since then that I noticed how bad they looked. (didn't know I should dilute it!) Question - other than NEVER using it again, what are suggestions to repair that skin and the crepey/sagginess?? At this point I'm looking at 3/4 sleeves all summer long!!! I'm not overweight and my arms are pretty toned other than that!!

I keep reading how much everyone loves this product, while I really do not mean to infer that no one should, reports like this and the "uglies" I keep reading about make me run as fast as I can the other way. I just can't for the life of me understand how anything that you have to go through skin sagging "uglies" for can be good.

I wish you the best of luck on reversing this!!

free skin care · Fri May 25, 2012 4:33 pm

Hi tiny,
I was nervous at first with all the reports of uglies. But I did a lot of research and took it VERY slow. I have been very pleased with the results.

free skin care · Fri May 25, 2012 4:40 pm

erg wrote:

Hi tiny,
I was nervous at first with all the reports of uglies. But I did a lot of research and took it VERY slow. I have been very pleased with the results.

Thanks Erg,

I read where alot are very pleased, its just scary as heck to read all the Uglies Shock

! I am glad you've had great results, that means there is hope in reversing these bad ones

free skin care · Fri May 25, 2012 4:48 pm

I posted over on the skin bio site. My bad. It was super CP, not Super Cop. Cop smop, who can keep that straight. They say what i am seeing is skin damage trying to come out and I need to exfoliate more. Wonder if i should do a jessner peel or if that would compound the problem? Im afraid to ask over there - they seem ouchy!

free skin care · Fri May 25, 2012 4:49 pm

I posted over on the skin bio site. My bad. It was super CP, not Super Cop. Cop smop, who can keep that straight. They say what i am seeing is skin damage trying to come out and I need to exfoliate more. Wonder if i should do a jessner peel or if that would compound the problem? Im afraid to ask over there - they seem ouchy!

free skin care · Fri May 25, 2012 6:15 pm

yes, members there are sensitive... to put it mildly. Most are die-hard CP users and get defensive.

I would not do a Jessners peel. Light manual exfoliation, yes.

Sat May 26, 2012 9:15 am

I can't say i experienced this, but after using super cp on my face for a couple months i noticed without exfoliated my skin seemed "lifeless" i guess im too young for the 100yr old person look when using cp's.

After using differin and acids for about 2 months i think i can jump on that cp bandwagon and say they are really effective.

Maybe you need to exfoliate with like a body lotion with a good percentage of AHA's?

free skin care · Sat May 26, 2012 9:55 am

Wow! Sorry to hear about your arms Deb. Can I ask what you are using CPs on your arms for? Also, how often have you used it since Jan? Was it only after rolling?

free skin care · Sat May 26, 2012 12:00 pm

Foxe- i was using it for a small area of crepey skin - both before and after derma rolling . Now i have a large portion of my arm looking like crap!! Saggy - when i bend over its like loose skin hanging -Not a good look!!! I can pinch it and pull it. Other than that my arms are toned. This got worse after i started using the cps and i was clueless and used the cps quite liberally!!

free skin care · Sat May 26, 2012 12:25 pm

DebM wrote:

Foxe- i was using it for a small area of crepey skin - both before and after derma rolling . Now i have a large portion of my arm looking like crap!! Saggy - when i bend over its like loose skin hanging -Not a good look!!! I can pinch it and pull it. Other than that my arms are toned. This got worse after i started using the cps and i was clueless and used the cps quite liberally!!

Deb,

foxe is invaluable for information on copper peptides and I have no doubt she will respond with further help!

In the meantime just so you don't think you are alone or this is irreversible, the following thread might help ease your mind!

http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=32048

free skin care · Sat May 26, 2012 5:15 pm

Perhaps you can look into Nia24 skin care products. Although they are geared toward repairing sun damage, there is a product "Sun Damage Repair for Decolletage and Hands" that you could pat onto the damaged area of your arms. It's supposed to bring back the tone, texture and resilience of skin. It could be something to look into.

free skin care · Sat May 26, 2012 5:23 pm

Foxe - HELP!! Should i just use lac hydrin or glycolic acid? I also have renova or tazarac on hand. I got the reaura ultra but sent it back cause the high setting wouldnt work. (might order ultra where Darkmoon did) Ihave a Refa Pro and not sure if that will help - have had only 1 month. I have a Baby Q which i use on my face and like. Wondering about RF too?

free skin care · Sat May 26, 2012 7:57 pm

Deb - it sounds like you used too much of the CPs too soon (both before AND after rolling) and that was even before acclimating (getting your skin use to...) to the CPs. Dr. Pickart has always told people to 'get your skin healthy first' (by building up to using CPs gradually). This would be somthing to do before venturing out doing something extreme like the rolling.

I don't think your in trouble yet. I just think your skin went into a kind of 'shock' from both the rolling and the exposure to a product it wasn't use to yet (the CPs).

I would think your skin will rebound, but don't use CPs on it just now. Maybe try something soothing like emu oil to calm it down.

Stay away from the retinoids for now too like the taz or retin A. Just get your skin calmed down.

It can take 3-4 months (or longer) to see improvements from a regular roll, so you might still see something from what you've done (in a positive manner) in a few months.

But - you're most likely in shock seeing how your arms reacted from the roll w/ the CPs and I think calming it down with either nothing (surprisingly, that's probably the #1 thing to try); or with an oil like emu oil will help it over the next week or so. Then, you just have to let nature take it's course. It will settle down and you might see some improvements in a few months (with patience).

Can I also ask - how often did you do this? Only one roll (with the CPs before and after, just on that particular roll)? Did you build up your skin with the CPs to strenghten it before the roll first?

free skin care · Sat May 26, 2012 9:10 pm

DebM the best thing to do might be to consult with a dermatologist who is familiar with the effects of copper peptides. There is some excellent information on how best to proceed with dermarolling on the OwnDoc site: generally with rolling topicals into the skin/ applying afterwards less is more. With powerful actives in general again less is more, you don't necessarily need to dilute but really only neutral moisturisers and sunscreen should be applied liberally. Confused

Think of actives as akin to a pharmacy medication, dose and frequency are important.

free skin care · Sun May 27, 2012 7:43 am

Just alittle history - I'm 56, fair skinned, redheaded, blue eyes. Tan lightly and burn. I know I've got some sun damage.

Anyway, about 8 yrs ago I noticed some crepiness in my inner arm area - not bad, the derm said use tazarac. It helped some. Also about that time I'd lost about 10#. Wasn't overweight to begin with but I have a small frame and 10 extra lbs really makes it difficult for the clothes to fit nicely. After menopause and the unexpected death of my mother 6 yrs ago I slowly but the 10+ lbs back on. In Jan of this year I slowly lost about 1# a week so I'm back down about 12#. I'm guessing that some of the sagginess might be from lost weight. Anyway in March I decided to attack it with copper peptides which I'd had in my stash from 2009 and didn't really use, probably tried and gave up about after a few weeks because I'm an unpatient person and probably have unrealistic expectatations (you know like I'm going to have 25 yr old skin again!) Oh, and in the summer of 2011 i had 3 treatments of the vaser shape on my arms which did NOTHING!!! Back to this year, in March I hadn't noticed quite the sagginess that I'm seeing now so I decided to attack it with the CP's. Didn't read the instructions, don't have any, do you think I read up on them with this wonderful forum - h no!!! So this is what I did - I derma rolled and then put the CP's on. Not diluted and quite liberally. I derma rolled about 1 time a week, small needles, never, ever bleed with the derma roll, even on my face so I know the needles are baby size (don't use the CP's on my face). I probably have used the CP's about 4 times a week though. Now bam, this old looking, elephant looking, crepey, saggy skin!!!

Ok, today, after using lac hydrin about 2 days I am seeing peeling which I hope is a good thing. I have emu oil which I'll use. I'm really "hoping" this is the "ugly" phase because it sure is - to the point that I don't want to go out in public with no sleeves. I'm sure people at work are wondering, "why are you wearing sweaters or long sleeves"????

I see my derm late June. She is wonderful and specializes in sculptra, botox but has never mentioned CP's to me but I'll ask her.

I have in my arsenal - Baby q, RefraPro, Pala Via and I sent back my ultrasound from TIA because it didn't work on the high setting. I do want to purchase ultrasound from where DarkMoon did (even though the VaserShape is ultrasound I'm hoping that with consistant everyother day or more often use it might help some). Wondering about RF?

I want to say you guys are all WONDERFUL!!!! You are so knowledgeable and helpful and I love you all for helping!!! Some of you I think are Chemistry/physics specialists from the technical stuff you post which I have no clue, even after reading it but you decipher it so well. I am so appreciative of you all!!!

free skin care · Sun May 27, 2012 7:48 am

Oh, and I use Obagi/renova on my face. My derm says I have thick skin on my face. I do have some lines/wrinkles. I've always used sunscreen on my face. My mother's skin was horrible but she smoked since she was 16 (never, ever have!). But from the neck down, hmmmm, not so good!!

free skin care · Sun May 27, 2012 7:54 am

Deb, I am so sorry about what your going through, it has to be a nightmare! But if my 2 cents mean anything, I'd go back to total basics, emu oil, aloe vera, just nothing traumatic to that skin anymore!

free skin care · Mon May 28, 2012 7:10 am

I wonder about doing the OCM that DarkMoon talks about on my elephant arms. I did it on my face last night and it seems plumper this morning!

free skin care · Mon May 28, 2012 7:59 am

DebM wrote:

I wonder about doing the OCM that DarkMoon talks about on my elephant arms. I did it on my face last night and it seems plumper this morning!

Deb as long as you are gentle (considering the skin condition) I can't see any reason it would hurt, and may just help! Very Happy

free skin care · Mon May 28, 2012 8:03 am

DarkMoon wrote:

DebM wrote:

I wonder about doing the OCM that DarkMoon talks about on my elephant arms. I did it on my face last night and it seems plumper this morning!

Deb as long as you are gentle (considering the skin condition) I can't see any reason it would hurt, and may just help! Very Happy

Agreed...plus anything that makes you feel a bit better about how it looks will help.

Be prepared to deal with the uglies for a while though....when I went through it under my eyes it took 6+ months to get back to normal.

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