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Mon May 28, 2012 12:03 am  |
Hi
I wonder if anyone could give me a little help.
Firstly..... confession.... i have been a smoker and stopped and started over time. stupidely i went through a really down patch last year and ended up smoking again.... now in the process of stopping.
My problem (and i know its my own doing) is i now have lines around my lips. They seem to have come this last time smoking.
Could anybody help in suggesting anything that would work to helpp reduce them. I dont expect to get rid of them completely (that would be a miracle) but even if i could lessen them a little would be great.
Are there any creams that may help or maybe non surgical treatments ie laser rejuvenation (not the big laser treatments that have such a big down time) or fillers like juvederm hydrate.
I would be so grateful if anyone could help
Many thanks
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Mon May 28, 2012 12:36 am |
Sorry to read you have had a tough time. ((hugs)) I believe both fillers and Botox can be used for smoker's lines but a dermatologist would be the best person to advise. If you opt for these you may not be able to use certain 'gadgets' nor facial exercise.
I would not recommend any destructive procedures until you have fully quit smoking, your healing time will be increased and you are at higher risk of infection. But once you have quit microneedling can be effective and can be combined with many anti-ageing/ collagen-inducing actives. Little to no down time: the area simply looks 'grazed' for a few days, you only roll every four to six weeks depending on the needle length. A three line roller is great for close work around the eyes/ lips and less painful than the regular roller. However you would likely want to use a topical anaesthetic like EMLA cream for that very sensitive area. This company sells quality products at a fair price, and has great service to boot! http://owndoc.com/
Really the king and queen of anti-ageing actives are vitamin A (retinoids) and vitamin C. If you wish to apply right up to your lips you would probably want to choose the non-acid, less irritating forms such as retinol and magnesium ascorbyl phosphate. These work well alongside microneedling.
Third low tech option is a moisturiser containing lanolin. This supplies some of the lipids found in a healthy skin barrier and these deplete as skin ages - despite not yet being 40 I get visible plumping of my fine lines with products containing lanolin!  Be sure to feed your skin from the inside - lots of oily fish, nuts, seeds, avocados, coconut and olives. |
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Sensitivity, forehead pigmentation & elevens, nose & chin clogged pores. Topicals: Aloe vera, squalane, lactic acid, Myfawnie KinNiaNag HG: Weleda calendula, Lanolips, Guinot masque essentiel, Flexitol Naturals, Careprost. Gadgets: Vaughter dermarollers, Lightstim. |
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Mon May 28, 2012 12:46 am |
Hi Firefox
Thank you so so much for replying. I had been thinking about derma rolling for sometime and had been trying to understand it from the threads on here. there is so much information on it and it gets rather confusing especially as i am not too clued up on skincare etc. I always turn to EDS for help 
I think i will look at purchasing a dermaroller ready.... the smaller one as you suggest for the eye area and area above my lip which are my main concerns. Now i do not have a lot of spare money as i live alone. Do you know where the best place to purchase one or what is the best one to get.
You mention lanolin products .... is this to put on my lips or for the area above the lips which is where the lines are really upsetting me and making me so depressed (even though its all my own doing  ). Could you suggest a product for me to try. So sorry im a bit hopeless with it all but thank you again for your help xxx |
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Mon May 28, 2012 12:55 am |
oh forgot to say i do eat well. I eat alot of salmon and tuna...i have oily fish on everage at least once a day or if i miss a day i will defiantly have it the next. I have started eating more nuts and because i am underweight i have been adding advocados to my salads.
I suffer with my stomach and because of this i have to drink at least 3 litres of water a day. on average i probably drink 4 litres in a day. |
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Mon May 28, 2012 1:19 am |
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Hi Firefox
Thank you so so much for replying. I had been thinking about derma rolling for sometime and had been trying to understand it from the threads on here. there is so much information on it and it gets rather confusing especially as i am not too clued up on skincare etc. I always turn to EDS for help
I think i will look at purchasing a dermaroller ready.... the smaller one as you suggest for the eye area and area above my lip which are my main concerns. Now i do not have a lot of spare money as i live alone. Do you know where the best place to purchase one or what is the best one to get.
You mention lanolin products .... is this to put on my lips or for the area above the lips which is where the lines are really upsetting me and making me so depressed (even though its all my own doing ). Could you suggest a product for me to try. So sorry im a bit hopeless with it all but thank you again for your help xxx |
I live alone too and am on a budget too.  Almost everyone here contributed to their skin's ageing through bad lifestyle choices or not wearing sunscreen religiously. I hold my hands up to a few years of sunbed abuse and a few more years of HARD partying!
I highly recommend OwnDoc which I linked to before for dermarollers, and I know plenty of other EDSers buy from Sarah Vaughter also. Her cheaper 'copies' are excellent quality, she has tested them.
http://shop.owndoc.com/c-48-1/dermaneedling.html
She also sells stuff to sterilise with (or read her advice about what NOT to use) and the lidocaine anaesthetic cream (or price that up wherever you get Retin-A). You can either go for a 1mm or 1.5mm for collagen induction, personally I would start with the 1mm - I get plenty of pinpoint bleeding on my forehead and the lips area is thinner skin.
You can use lanolin on the lips and it is lovely, but a cream containing lanolin around the lips which is what I was meaning. I like the Weleda baby calendula face cream which is very rich, so for night only and a little goes a long way. Weleda Skin Food also contains lanolin and is a cult product because it is so effective. I mix the Weleda with aloe vera gel for daytime, aloe is also a humectant (attracts water) and has anti-ageing properties.
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/weleda-baby-calendula-fac-p_10527.htm
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/weleda-skin-food-p_9961.htm
Another option is to DIY since you already do so for the vitamin C. You can substitute any oils into the recipe but IMO add a preservative.
http://www.skincaretalk.com/a/homemade-cream-based-on-lanolin
Also OwnDoc sell a lanolin cream called Infadolan which also has vitamins A and D, don't know if it would be too greasy for nightly use tho. |
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Sensitivity, forehead pigmentation & elevens, nose & chin clogged pores. Topicals: Aloe vera, squalane, lactic acid, Myfawnie KinNiaNag HG: Weleda calendula, Lanolips, Guinot masque essentiel, Flexitol Naturals, Careprost. Gadgets: Vaughter dermarollers, Lightstim. |
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Mon May 28, 2012 1:25 am |
Hi Firefox..... thank you again you are a star. I really do appreciate your advice. I am very clueless with skincare. I guess when younger (and my generation it wasnt pushed like it is now) oh we all did the sunbeds and sunbathing to excess in my younger days. I do put sun cream on my face to and my foundation has sf 25. I cant go without make up unfortuantely .
I am going to take alook at your links you have sent me when i finish work.
Thank you again for all your help and i hope i have not been too bothersome with my questions. Have a wonderful day in all you do xxx |
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Mon May 28, 2012 1:57 am |
Please don't put yourself down! Once you get cracking on improving your lip lines and crepey eyes you will be invaluable to EDS for advising other ex-smokers what worked for you.
My father has pale freckled skin and a bald head, he goes red-white-red-white never brown. So when we were kids our parents were fairly responsible for the time and we did use sunscreen when we were abroad in the sun, but my younger sibling played outdoors a lot at home and never wore sunscreen then. Can you believe we used a 'high' factor ... SPF 7!!!!  My sibling has terrible wrinkles, I didn't have any until my late thirties perhaps because I hated my freckles so would cover my face with a t-shirt!  |
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Sensitivity, forehead pigmentation & elevens, nose & chin clogged pores. Topicals: Aloe vera, squalane, lactic acid, Myfawnie KinNiaNag HG: Weleda calendula, Lanolips, Guinot masque essentiel, Flexitol Naturals, Careprost. Gadgets: Vaughter dermarollers, Lightstim. |
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Mon May 28, 2012 8:04 am |
| What about deep lines on the actual lip. Is it possible to get rid of those? |
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Mon May 28, 2012 9:46 am |
Firefox7275....could you please name a few moisturizers that contain lanolin. I looked at a few of my favorites and they don't contain lanolin. After reading your posts I feel like this is an ingredient I would like to have in my moisturizers.
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Mon May 28, 2012 9:49 am |
| Okay....I just saw that you mentioned Weleda. That's good to know. Are there any others? |
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Tue May 29, 2012 2:20 pm |
It's also very important to know that lip lines, often called "smokers" lines are NOT actually caused by smoking. They can be and are hereditary and lifestyle does help deepen them, drinking through straws, smoking, pursing ones lips, ect.
I've known life long smokers who NEVER got them and I've know non smokers that have the horribly! |
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Tue May 29, 2012 4:01 pm |
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It's also very important to know that lip lines, often called "smokers" lines are NOT actually caused by smoking. They can be and are hereditary and lifestyle does help deepen them, drinking through straws, smoking, pursing ones lips, ect.
I've known life long smokers who NEVER got them and I've know non smokers that have the horribly! |
Yes, unfortunately genetics strikes again.
Salster, I have not found anything that will completely get rid of them. I agree with Firefox on the A and C and microneedling. These are the best ingredients and with consistent and long term use (I am talking at least 1 year here) they will diminish. |
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Tue May 29, 2012 4:37 pm |
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| Tiny wrote: |
It's also very important to know that lip lines, often called "smokers" lines are NOT actually caused by smoking. They can be and are hereditary and lifestyle does help deepen them, drinking through straws, smoking, pursing ones lips, ect.
I've known life long smokers who NEVER got them and I've know non smokers that have the horribly! |
Yes, unfortunately genetics strikes again.
Salster, I have not found anything that will completely get rid of them. I agree with Firefox on the A and C and microneedling. These are the best ingredients and with consistent and long term use (I am talking at least 1 year here) they will diminish. |
Well that just brightened my day!  |
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Tue May 29, 2012 4:39 pm |
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| rileygirl wrote: |
| Tiny wrote: |
It's also very important to know that lip lines, often called "smokers" lines are NOT actually caused by smoking. They can be and are hereditary and lifestyle does help deepen them, drinking through straws, smoking, pursing ones lips, ect.
I've known life long smokers who NEVER got them and I've know non smokers that have the horribly! |
Yes, unfortunately genetics strikes again.
Salster, I have not found anything that will completely get rid of them. I agree with Firefox on the A and C and microneedling. These are the best ingredients and with consistent and long term use (I am talking at least 1 year here) they will diminish. |
Well that just brightened my day! |
Awww, No rolling for you?  |
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Tue May 29, 2012 4:57 pm |
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Well that just brightened my day! |
LOL. I aim to please!
Though seriously I just wanted the OP to know the truth. I have been fighting lip lines for years now and you can diminish them but it takes a long time. I guess the quick route would be laser? |
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Wed May 30, 2012 12:14 am |
Hi Rileygirl and all
Thank you for the responses. I have sent an email to the link Firefox gave me (thank you again Firefox ) re the dermarollers so i plan on purchasing one from there. I dont expect to get rid of my lines (well unless i did anything really drastic and lasering ....oooh the downtime looks awful) but if i could soften them I hope it will make me feel better.
Thank you all for your help. I always turn to EDS ladies for advice and you all never fail to amaze me with your kind words and words of wisdom. I wish i were more knowledgable and could give help back. I know i can pass on what i learn from here but would be nice to help you all too
I am going to sit down and look at a good eye and lip cream too fromthe links given to me
Thank you all again xxx |
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Wed May 30, 2012 6:27 am |
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| Tiny wrote: |
Well that just brightened my day! |
LOL. I aim to please!
Though seriously I just wanted the OP to know the truth. I have been fighting lip lines for years now and you can diminish them but it takes a long time. I guess the quick route would be laser? |
I always prefer the truth!! I've seen a freind who did the laser eons ago, it was NOT pretty |
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Wed May 30, 2012 6:34 am |
| If you aren't afraid of needles you could get a small bit of filler injected into the lines. Not enough to give you Angelina Jolie lips, just a tiny bit. |
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Wed May 30, 2012 10:34 am |
| Tiny...was this laser to the lip lines? I would think that area would be just too sensitive for laser treatments. |
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Wed May 30, 2012 10:37 am |
| leeleedeedee wrote: |
| Tiny...was this laser to the lip lines? I would think that area would be just too sensitive for laser treatments. |
she had a face lift then they did the massive peel! So you could be right, I thought that was done by laser but could be wrong! she looked like a baboons hinny |
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Wed May 30, 2012 12:36 pm |
| Tiny wrote: |
she had a face lift then they did the massive peel! So you could be right, I thought that was done by laser but could be wrong! she looked like a baboons hinny |
LOL. I am hoping you mean right afterward and not later after everything healed? |
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Wed May 30, 2012 12:39 pm |
| Tiny wrote: |
| leeleedeedee wrote: |
| Tiny...was this laser to the lip lines? I would think that area would be just too sensitive for laser treatments. |
she had a face lift then they did the massive peel! So you could be right, I thought that was done by laser but could be wrong! she looked like a baboons hinny |
LMAO..You are too funny with the description! I also hope that was temporary! |
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Wed May 30, 2012 12:39 pm |
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| Tiny wrote: |
she had a face lift then they did the massive peel! So you could be right, I thought that was done by laser but could be wrong! she looked like a baboons hinny |
LOL. I am hoping you mean right afterward and not later after everything healed? |
It was around 2 weeks or a bit less! She looked fine last time I saw her, I should of added that  my bad |
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Wed May 30, 2012 12:46 pm |
| Tiny wrote: |
It was around 2 weeks or a bit less! She looked fine last time I saw her, I should of added that my bad |
LOL. Well, that is a good thing! No worries. After a stressful day, you have given me another laugh! |
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Wed May 30, 2012 2:47 pm |
| I must say that sometimes the posts on this forum are hilarious and believe me I mean that in a very nice way. I had a good laugh too, tiny. You put a smile on a lot of faces |
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