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Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:03 am  |
Hello lovely ladies.....I am considering trying the DeVita sunscreen and I would like to know where things stand with the micronized zinc.
Is it safe? I would welcome everyone's opinion.
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Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:37 am |
There have been threads on safety before if you run an advanced search. TBH I don't think you will get a different answer until further research is carried out. The medical profession generally consider micronised to be completely safe but - as with every foodstuff drug or ingredient - a minority of the alternative community have concerns. Have you considered discussing this with your dermatologist or family doctor?
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=45596
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=13536
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=29290 |
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Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:49 am |
Thank you for the links,Firefox7275. I knew that the topic was discussed before but I couldn't really remember the consensus that most of the forum members came to.
I don't see a dermatologist and my family doctor is not up to date on studies done with micronized zinc. |
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Sun Jun 03, 2012 3:16 pm |
Micronized zinc is safe and has been given the thumbs-up by EWG.
Devita however ... let me just say that it falls short of the spf30 mark. |
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Sun Jun 03, 2012 3:22 pm |
So, what I gather from reading the above links is that some people think DeVita is safe and some don't. Some feel micronized zinc is safe and some don't. Some will use sunscreens with micronized zinc but not if they're nano particles. Some say zinc becomes unstable from the sun, but some think that it doesn't. Titanium Dioxide seems to be safer but studies say otherwise  |
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Sun Jun 03, 2012 3:30 pm |
yeah fawnie, i emailed devita about the spf 20 rumour and the woman was incredibly unhelpful.. she just started copy + pasting random stuff that had nothing to do with my question.
she didn't seem too happy either, instead of answering/defending its rating she just demanded to know where/who i heard it from.
it's a shame since devita seems like something i'd like to try  pratima is too annoying to get. |
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Sun Jun 03, 2012 3:57 pm |
| leeleedeedee wrote: |
| So, what I gather from reading the above links is that some people think DeVita is safe and some don't. Some feel micronized zinc is safe and some don't. Some will use sunscreens with micronized zinc but not if they're nano particles. Some say zinc becomes unstable from the sun, but some think that it doesn't. Titanium Dioxide seems to be safer but studies say otherwise |
Yes, that is it in a nutshell! Bottom line, Everyone has a different opinion on what is safe and what isn't safe and you just have to decide for yourself what you are willing to use and/or not use. |
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Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:44 am |
| rileygirl....thank you for confirming my thoughts. Now I have to spend time figuring out the right sunscreen for myself. I'm never happy with what I'm using and I'm always looking for something better. Only now I'm just not sure what "better" is. |
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Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:04 am |
| leeleedeedee wrote: |
| rileygirl....thank you for confirming my thoughts. Now I have to spend time figuring out the right sunscreen for myself. I'm never happy with what I'm using and I'm always looking for something better. Only now I'm just not sure what "better" is. |
Hi leeleedeedee, I've tried a lot of sunscreens in the past. If your skin is anything like mine I could give you my thoughts on how different ones worked for me. |
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Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:20 am |
My SO surprised me yesterday with the DeVita Solar Protective Moisturizer SPF 30+. He knew I've been looking at it for a while but was waiting for a sale.
Here are my thoughts so far:
1) Skin feels great, soft, and not greasy, but moisturized. I love it!
2) The company was started by a woman who suffered from cystic acne and sun damage up to her 40's, living in Phoenix AZ - that's very similar to my story. I am younger but have the same issues and live in Phoenix. I would expect this chemistry PhD to know what she's doing when creating sun screen for the unforgiving Phoenix sun. I can't vouch for the validity of the SPF, but I want to believe that someone who has experienced the effects of cystic acne and strong sun would come up with a good product. I guess I could go out in the sun at noon to really test it, but I'd rather not... I am curious to find out if anyone scientifically proves or disproves their SPF claims.
3) DeVita claims they do not use any nanotechnology. However, on the sunscreen bottle it is printer that some doctors advise the application of sunscreen even at night for the skin to build up protection for the day. This confuses me. If it isn't nano ZnO, then why would it penetrate the skin? And if it doesn't penetrate the skin, then don't you just wash it off first thing in the morning anyway?... This is something I do want to contact the company about.
4) I love the ingredients. All natural, even some antioxidants in there. |
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Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:25 am |
I didn't want to try Devita sunscreen after reading reviews on MUA where people said they got color or freckles etc still with it.  |
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Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:29 am |
regarding 3 i think that only applies to chemical sunscreens.. still a silly thing imo, tretinoin/antioxidants or irritating chemicals.. no brainer  |
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Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:30 am |
| egyptiangoddess wrote: |
| I didn't want to try Devita sunscreen after reading reviews on MUA where people said they got color or freckles etc still with it. |
I currently have some sun spots (acne turned into hyperpigmentation) and am trying to avoid any new ones. I will report after I will have used this for a while.
I get plenty of UV radiation just from walking to and from my car every day... |
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Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:32 am |
| Thanks fitgineer, I would like to know what you think! |
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Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:41 am |
| I read somewhere that sunscreens with a PA+++ rating have the ability to stop even dark skin individuals from obtaining a tan which is great for me since I am medium brown skinned. I am currently using one with this rating and it has worked well so far but then again I am not out often in the sun for more than running in and out of places. I will put it to the test on my vacation in July. |
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Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:05 pm |
| egyptiangoddess wrote: |
| I didn't want to try Devita sunscreen after reading reviews on MUA where people said they got color or freckles etc still with it. |
I do like the feel of this sunscreen but I stopped using it when I was going to be out in the sun for long periods (like driving in the car for 3hr.)because I still got color with it on. But sometimes still use if just running in and out of places and a lot of people love it and don't get any color. So maybe it just depends on your skin type. |
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Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:58 pm |
| CookieD.....I am always interested in your thoughts and opinions. Please feel free to express them. I don't know what sunscreen to use so I am open to anything. |
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Mon Jun 04, 2012 4:25 pm |
| leeleedeedee wrote: |
| CookieD.....I am always interested in your thoughts and opinions. Please feel free to express them. I don't know what sunscreen to use so I am open to anything. |
Hi leeleedeedee, if you look at the burnout sunscreen review (physical sunscreen)-rave thread on page 12 you will see an overview on some of the ones I've tried. Sorry I don't know how to post a link to that. |
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Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:28 am |
| Thank you, CookieD. I will have a look at Burnout. I'm a bit disappointed because I was looking forward to trying out the DeVita. But after reading some of these posts I don't think it would be wise. So, I'm on the lookout for a new sunscreen. |
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Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:23 am |
All SPF30 sunscreens get complaints about getting colour through if you read enough reviews, some people don't expect to have to reapply and maybe they don't apply enough initially. Also bear in mind Devita was reformulated a couple of years ago - afraid I don't know what those changes were.
AFAIK you won't get more protection than around 20% zinc without adding in another physical or a chemical agent because around that point even micronised zinc can give a white cast. The Devita Rx Ultrasolar 50 contains both 19% zinc and 8% titanium if you want higher protection. These products are not water-resistant: I've got the impression some of the competitors are better in this respect which again may be reflected in reviews. |
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Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:06 am |
I just want to share an experience with another sunscreen, which may suggest that (ineffective) sunscreen itself is not the only issue when getting color.
I live in Phoenix, AZ and I get bright, strong sun almost every day of the year. I was using Dermalogica Fresh Matte SPF 15 on a daily basis about two years ago (when I didn't know much about skin care, but thought SPF in my moisturizer would be a good idea). I never noticed any color, unless I was out in the sun for over an hour, without reapplying.
Then, I took a 2 day trip to San Diego a weekend in July. I wore the same Dermalogica product, and even reapplied once. I wasn't out in the sun other than walking around for a bit at Sea World. Got back to Phoenix. Monday morning I am getting ready for work, in my well lit bathroom, looking in my magnifying mirror... and... horror!!! I had freckles all over my face!!! I NEVER in my life had freckles before! They went away after about a week, and have never had them since. I continued to use the Dermalogica, even if I were out in the sun longer.
What does this tell us? The sun is different depending on where you are in the world. I bet pollution had a lot to do with it too. Maybe even humidity. I always thought the UV radiation in Phoenix is among the highest in the US, yet a simple SPF 15 never resulted in freckles or color... and one weekend in San Diego turned my face into a freckle party!!! |
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Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:28 am |
Yes but I thought everyone knew the sun is different in different areas. Although I don't know how far apart San Diego and Arizona are! But I thought this way for countries at least.
I feel like micronized zinc sunscreens aren't as effective as non-micronized sunscreens. Does anyone know if that's true? I wonder if anyone knows if Shiseido spf 55 sunscreen is micro or not. I should try to find out.
And if all spf 30 sunscreens get complaints of color, aren't they all not doing what they're supposed to be doing then?! Seems pointless to use them then if they're allowing damage to occur. |
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Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:34 am |
Well... my understanding is that SPF 30 != sun block... I don't even think there is a product out there that can be labeled "Sun Block" with the new FDA regulations...
So if there is no such thing as a sun block topical product, then isn't some damage expected? |
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Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:51 am |
| Well if higher spf and different sunscreen = no additional color, doesn't that equal less damage then? |
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