Exercise for lower nasolabial area?
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Sun Jun 17, 2012 1:51 am

I need an exercise (or exercises) that plumps up the lower nasolabial area, above the lips. It would be a welcome bonus if it also tackles the mouth corners. I've been doing a little research into facial musculature and it looks like the orbicularis oris would be the muscle to focus on building, but I'm not sure how to achieve build in this area without suffering a case of monkey mouth.

Any ideas or advice? I'm open to trying programs that target this area successfully.

free skin care · Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:36 am

Nanella wrote:

I need an exercise (or exercises) that plumps up the lower nasolabial area, above the lips. It would be a welcome bonus if it also tackles the mouth corners. I've been doing a little research into facial musculature and it looks like the orbicularis oris would be the muscle to focus on building, but I'm not sure how to achieve build in this area without suffering a case of monkey mouth.

Any ideas or advice? I'm open to trying programs that target this area successfully.

Hi Nanelle, I do not believe you can fix a part of your face by spot training. I believe what brings about change is a program that works all the muscles of the face to recreate the tone you once had in all of them, back when you were young and didn't have the problems you are trying to fix. I learned this from my own experience.

I myself developed N/L lines after doing FE. At the time, the consensus was that if you wanted to fix a part of your face, you had to work harder on that part. It didn't work. It wasn't until I discovered CFF and Carolyn and she implored me to do her entire program even if I didn't think parts of my face needed work, that I saw my N/L lines disappear. If I ever needed proof that muscles of the face are interconnected and that what happens to a muscle in one area affects the outward appearance of that in another area, I got it then. By working all my face muscles as directed, I guess I maintained the tone of those that were already in good shape and in time those that were slack regained tone and caught up with the ones that were in good shape and everything fell into place.

So look for a program whose results you like and are what you seek and do it in its entirety. If others got the results you seek from that program, then chances are you will too.

free skin care · Sun Jun 17, 2012 7:03 am

Nonie, what is CFF and Carolyn?

free skin care · Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:39 am

egyptiangoddess wrote:

Nonie, what is CFF and Carolyn?

Hi egyptiangoddess, CFF is Carolyn's Facial Fitness (www.carolynsfacialfitness.com) and Carolyn is Carolyn Cleaves the author/owner of the program. You can see the improvement doing a full program made to my N/L lines in this thread: http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=43926

free skin care · Sun Jun 17, 2012 11:40 am

Just wanted to add that there's an article that discusses N/L lines on the CFF FAQs page. Perhaps it can shed some light on these stubborn folds: http://www.carolynsfacialfitness.com/how-to-get-rid-of-the-nasal/labial-fold-lines-laugh-lines-with-facial-exercises

free skin care · Sun Jun 17, 2012 1:30 pm

Thank you Nonie! Smile

Sun Jun 17, 2012 1:55 pm

Nonie aka AD wrote:

I believe what brings about change is a program that works all the muscles of the face to recreate the tone you once had in all of them, back when you were young and didn't have the problems you are trying to fix. I learned this from my own experience.

Oh, I absolutely agree that a comprehensive program is a necessity. I'm extremely happy with my current regimen, which is fairly comprehensive (the only muscles I intentionally neglect are the masseters, because I have a broad face and chew gum regularly - which is suprisingly effective at maintaining masseter tone). The only area I've been unsuccessful in plumping is that tricky spot beside the mouth and directly above it. Cheek exercises are wonderful for creating fullness and perkiness, but they do absolutely nothing for my NL area. I have the opposite of folds, I have hollowed out areas where the absence of fat is creating dramatic contours when I smile (my smile used to be much softer). I already have an exercise that targets the caninus muscle, so perhaps I just need to give it time.

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I myself developed N/L lines after doing FE.

I'd considered trying FE, but after doing a little research into their program I decided it wasn't for me. Now I'm doubly glad I didn't invest in it.

Any additional input is welcome Smile

free skin care · Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:22 am

Nanella

There’s always two sides to every story, for me FE actually got rid of my NL’s – albeit unintentionally. I don’t know how old you are, but believe me that’s a factor I consider in how fast/slow results come. I was in my 50’s when I started facial exercises and probably have done them all – and by far I always had kind of resigned myself to the fact that I would have NLs, and they didn’t bother me in the slightest so when the 3rd edition of FlexEffect was published, I had been waiting around for it for quite a while and got it and tried it out and it wasn’t me who noticed by NLs going but my dh. He shocked me one morning with a comment and I ran to the mirror to look and sure enough my NLs had lessened substantially to about half of what they were. They didn’t vanish overnight, but you know they’re gone now and good riddens in my book!

Nonie’s experience was unfortunate but it was prior to the 3rd edition, and also at a time when the forum was in its early stages and not staffed regularly I believe, but just wanted to throw this out there as I know at one point I got scarred reading Nonie’s comments on a different forum, and it did give me doubts but having done CFF, Facial Magic, Eva Fraser and a host of others (including the 2nd edition of FlexEffect) I gave it a try and am so glad I did.

Some programs I found don’t tackle the lower face. For example Ageless was fantastic fro my cheeks but did nada for my lower face. Lou explains why in her book she doesn’t think you should exercise them intensely but for us older gals you need that extra boost sometimes and when I don’t exercise my lower face I can see the difference! Just food for thought and wishing you the best of luck in solving this!

Theresa

Nanella wrote:

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I myself developed N/L lines after doing FE.

I'd considered trying FE, but after doing a little research into their program I decided it wasn't for me. Now I'm doubly glad I didn't invest in it.

Any additional input is welcome Smile

Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:11 am

TheresaMary wrote:

There’s always two sides to every story, for me FE actually got rid of my NL’s – albeit unintentionally.

It's interesting that you say they disappeared "unintentionally". Do you mean that a specific exercise not targeting the area got rid of them? Or did you not begin the program with the expectation they would improve? I'm probably misinterpreting your statement; I just thought it was peculiar phrasing.

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I don’t know how old you are

The big 4-0. Several months in, actually, and just now getting around to not wincing whenever I mention my age Wink

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I was in my 50’s when I started facial exercises and probably have done them all – and by far I always had kind of resigned myself to the fact that I would have NLs, and they didn’t bother me in the slightest so when the 3rd edition of FlexEffect was published, I had been waiting around for it for quite a while and got it and tried it out and it wasn’t me who noticed by NLs going but my dh. He shocked me one morning with a comment and I ran to the mirror to look and sure enough my NLs had lessened substantially to about half of what they were. They didn’t vanish overnight, but you know they’re gone now and good riddens in my book!

Congratulations! It's small wonder you're eager to share your success story. I'd be interested in hearing how the 3rd edition differs from the 2nd, if you feel inclined to explain.

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Some programs I found don’t tackle the lower face. For example Ageless was fantastic fro my cheeks but did nada for my lower face. Lou explains why in her book she doesn’t think you should exercise them intensely but for us older gals you need that extra boost sometimes and when I don’t exercise my lower face I can see the difference! Just food for thought and wishing you the best of luck in solving this!

Thanks for the good wishes. What I'm doing presently is a modified version of Ageless (for the most part) that utilizes isometric resistance rather than dynamic. My face is much happier now, and I've added a killer platysma exercise that I'm in the process of tweaking (I wanted to tone the muscle but was using waaaay too much resistance and got build instead). If I'm still happy with this "program" in a few months, maybe I'll post a description of the exercises for anyone who's interested in trying something new. I've spent countless hours studying facial muscular anatomy to ensure that the exercises do what they're supposed to...so far, so good. *knock on wood*

Thanks for responding Smile

free skin care · Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:44 am

Nanella wrote:

It's interesting that you say they disappeared "unintentionally". Do you mean that a specific exercise not targeting the area got rid of them? Or did you not begin the program with the expectation they would improve? I'm probably misinterpreting your statement; I just thought it was peculiar phrasing.

Well when I say “unintentionally” I mean I just never gave them a second thought. Because my mother and her mother always had them, I never thought I would get rid of them, so when doing the things I was doing, I wasn’t doing it to get rid of them, and to be honest they didn’t bother me. I guess I had kind of resigned myself to the fact that I would always have them, and then all of a sudden they started to go.

Nanella wrote:

The big 4-0. Several months in, actually, and just now getting around to not wincing whenever I mention my age Wink

Ha ha, oh girl you’re a baby seriously. Wincing when you mention your age – what – give yourself another 20 years!! I’m not ashamed of my age, but when I tell people who are curious I can see their reactions give me that kind of maybe I shouldn’t have said anything kind of feeling. Their whole behaviour changes around me.

Nanella wrote:

Congratulations! It's small wonder you're eager to share your success story. I'd be interested in hearing how the 3rd edition differs from the 2nd, if you feel inclined to explain.

Well I suppose my answer wouldn’t make sense unless you had either edition, but it was the advanced tools. Have to say though upfront that I didn’t follow instructions and just jumped straight into using the big guns (advanced techniques) but am not the only one – there were several of us who did and all had great results for what its worth.

Nanella wrote:

Thanks for the good wishes. What I'm doing presently is a modified version of Ageless (for the most part) that utilizes isometric resistance rather than dynamic. My face is much happier now, and I've added a killer platysma exercise that I'm in the process of tweaking (I wanted to tone the muscle but was using waaaay too much resistance and got build instead). If I'm still happy with this "program" in a few months, maybe I'll post a description of the exercises for anyone who's interested in trying something new. I've spent countless hours studying facial muscular anatomy to ensure that the exercises do what they're supposed to...so far, so good. *knock on wood*

A modified version of Ageless? Is this one you have made yourself or did someone design it for you? Ageless does use resistance though because you pull at the cheeks etc – so interested to know more about this and how you think it uses dynamic? I know what you mean though re countless hours, and to some that’s the off putting part about exercises, but I have to say that each time I learn something new I find myself getting excited. I think no matter what program you use, there is always some tweaking to be done. In some ways that why I do recommend people to FlexEffect and Shapeyourface, because both have forums where you can get detailed help. Hell shapeyourface.com has the creator of the program answering questions and his sense of humour is off the charts!

free skin care · Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:13 pm

Nanella wrote:

Thanks for the good wishes. What I'm doing presently is a modified version of Ageless (for the most part) that utilizes isometric resistance rather than dynamic. My face is much happier now, and I've added a killer platysma exercise that I'm in the process of tweaking (I wanted to tone the muscle but was using waaaay too much resistance and got build instead). If I'm still happy with this "program" in a few months, maybe I'll post a description of the exercises for anyone who's interested in trying something new. I've spent countless hours studying facial muscular anatomy to ensure that the exercises do what they're supposed to...so far, so good. *knock on wood*

I would love to read a description of this exercise you are referring to. Please share it with us when you get a chance.

Thu Jun 21, 2012 12:21 am

TheresaMary wrote:

Ha ha, oh girl you’re a baby seriously.

Ha, that's funny, it's similar to the response I have to women lamenting that they've turned 30 Laughing

Interesting how a decade or two completely alters your perspective.

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A modified version of Ageless? Is this one you have made yourself or did someone design it for you? Ageless does use resistance though because you pull at the cheeks etc – so interested to know more about this and how you think it uses dynamic?

I've been slowly piecing together a custom program over the past couple of months. Unfortunately, that means I haven't been able to maximize my benefits because I'm still technically in the experimental stage. I think I've got it now, though. I've mixed things up a bit and am utilizing more dynamic moves (the muscle moves fully through a contraction). And I've adapted the resistance to produce desirable results. I've always felt that I have a more "masculine" facial structure: solid jawline, broad face, no real definition in the cheek area. One important criterion is that I wanted to remodel my face to the best of its abilities. Sculpt and lift the cheeks, tone and slenderize the jaw, widen the eyes, plump lips, along with filling in NLs/parentheses/baby furrows/tear troughs. The scalp and forehead are well in hand (they're either quick responders on me or my exercises are just that awesome - I know which I prefer to believe Wink

). The lower face toning is coming along nicely and doesn't require many reps. I mentioned in another thread that now I've got the cheeks and NLs figured out. I've got an exercise for mouth corners (parantheses) that is very promising. I've finally figured out how to plump up lips in a way that creates a flattering shape, no monkey mouth! So it is all coming together in a way that makes me exceedingly happy. You wouldn't believe the "uglies" I had to endure during all this experimentation Confused

There were days when I didn't want to leave the house. I would swear I looked like Quasimodo.

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I think no matter what program you use, there is always some tweaking to be done. In some ways that why I do recommend people to FlexEffect and Shapeyourface, because both have forums where you can get detailed help. Hell shapeyourface.com has the creator of the program answering questions and his sense of humour is off the charts!

I'm sure that tweaking is a perpetual part of the process...though that's not what I want to hear after all I've been through Rolling Eyes

I said elsewhere that I think FE's personal trainers are an invaluable part of their program. I love how organized and devoted to good customer service they are.

sandooch wrote:

I would love to read a description of this exercise you are referring to. Please share it with us when you get a chance.

Now that I'm happy with the program, I'm going to take it out for a spin. When I'm 100% convinced that every exercise produces the desired result, with no "uglies" anywhere in sight, I'll post detailed instructions. Maybe I'll have to scan diagrams showing hand placement - some of the positions are hard to describe. Easy to do, hard to describe.

free skin care · Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:18 am

Nanella, please, please post your instructions sooner than later, they sound really great!

free skin care · Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:22 am

Nanella wrote:

Ha, that's funny, it's similar to the response I have to women lamenting that they've turned 30 Laughing

Interesting how a decade or two completely alters your perspective.

Well when your 60 – I promise you’ll have a different perspective than you do now for sure!

Nanella wrote:

I've been slowly piecing together a custom program over the past couple of months. Unfortunately, that means I haven't been able to maximize my benefits because I'm still technically in the experimental stage. I think I've got it now, though. I've mixed things up a bit and am utilizing more dynamic moves (the muscle moves fully through a contraction). And I've adapted the resistance to produce desirable results. I've always felt that I have a more "masculine" facial structure: solid jawline, broad face, no real definition in the cheek area. One important criterion is that I wanted to remodel my face to the best of its abilities. Sculpt and lift the cheeks, tone and slenderize the jaw, widen the eyes, plump lips, along with filling in NLs/parentheses/baby furrows/tear troughs. The scalp and forehead are well in hand (they're either quick responders on me or my exercises are just that awesome - I know which I prefer to believe Wink

). The lower face toning is coming along nicely and doesn't require many reps. I mentioned in another thread that now I've got the cheeks and NLs figured out. I've got an exercise for mouth corners (parantheses) that is very promising. I've finally figured out how to plump up lips in a way that creates a flattering shape, no monkey mouth! So it is all coming together in a way that makes me exceedingly happy. You wouldn't believe the "uglies" I had to endure during all this experimentation Confused

There were days when I didn't want to leave the house. I would swear I looked like Quasimodo.

Oh wow that’s great, and you know if you design something really good you may want to consider selling it – after all that’s what others have done and especially if your doing all the research etc. I can believe the uglies you had to endure, hell don’t forget I’ve got 10 years under my belt of a lot of programs out there and so have seen it and done it and overdone it at the best of times. Still I wouldn’t change it for the world as I learned a lot.

Nanella wrote:

I'm sure that tweaking is a perpetual part of the process...though that's not what I want to hear after all I've been through Rolling Eyes

Well it might not need tweaking, as you are already doing the tweaking for yourself, but if I were to try your program it may have to be tweaked. I think that’s why there are so many programs out there, because we’ve all got different facial types and issues.

Nanella wrote:

I said elsewhere that I think FE's personal trainers are an invaluable part of their program. I love how organized and devoted to good customer service they are.

I must admit that originally I didn’t think they were such an invaluable part but I stand definitely corrected on that. Since Ageless forum closed, I have seen them help out Ageless folks too which I think is beyond the call of their duty, and after all it was picking up the pieces of Louise when she dumped them (and I’m guessing that was happened – she just did what she did to her own forum, up and left without a word).

Nanella wrote:

Now that I'm happy with the program, I'm going to take it out for a spin. When I'm 100% convinced that every exercise produces the desired result, with no "uglies" anywhere in sight, I'll post detailed instructions. Maybe I'll have to scan diagrams showing hand placement - some of the positions are hard to describe. Easy to do, hard to describe.

100% convinced, wow you’ll have to be very certain then. I think the “no uglies” is probably the wrong label to use, as with facial exercise its not so much about getting uglies, but overbuilding, and to be honest I’ve not found one program out there that doesn’t give someone the uglies. Even a program that claimed not to give uglies was proven to give someone bad results a little while ago, so it’s a tightrope if you ask me, but hey I think its always good to aim high!

free skin care · Thu Jun 21, 2012 7:05 am

I didn't get the uglies with CFF or Ageless Cool

free skin care · Thu Jun 21, 2012 7:06 am

Nanella, You bring up an interesting point/question.

With regard to after you "determine there are no uglies."

This will actually be nearly impossible to guarantee. You will no longer be a plausible candidate for your own test. You'd need a person in your similar situation without any facial exercise experience. And for statistical significance you'd need a whole control group.

Why? Because, you've already been working your tissues. They are starting to get used to being handled.

By the time you figure out your perfect workout, your structures will have already been stressed and worked and such. They will have acquired a tolerance.

So using the body as an example. Imagine the couch potato.

Imagine ANY workout they try. They WILL be wickedly sore the next day. They may take on fluid (inflammation), and they will recover slowly compared to the already fit. If the couch potato chooses the PX90 workout, they will vomit within the first 10-20 minutes. Does that make PX90 bad? No. Ideal? Not if there's not a way to tone it down to actually do it.

AS they work through the pain, improve their diet, and probably tweak exercises so they, for example, take on less joint stress, and cardio stress, their body is getting stronger daily, they could easily go back to the day one workout and feel absolutely no residual discomfort. Furthermore, let's say in a years time with dedication, and without illness, they will 1) have determined favorite workouts, 2)know how to change up their routine to sculpt their bodies more ideally, and 3) will be able to endure more without the "ugly" stage, of shortness of breath, muscle cramps/spasms, DOMS...etc (You are actually doing this now! GREAT!)

The constant tweaking comes from the persistent competitive types, who always feel like they could do more, accomplish more. Or those, that at some time determine the just NEED more.

I really think facialbuilding is quite the same.

Your example is a great one actually! (fibromyalgia as you shared on another thread) You have hyper sensitive issues, by your own explanation.

And so it's quite reasonable that you would have the uglies from any sort of stimulation, or new and harder stimulation and would require a delicate touch AT FIRST. And as long as you don't over extend, you will gradually be able to get more aggressive. Your description in another thread while many would consider your approach a "light touch" I easily could have told you "no way", it's still gonna be too much for you given your history as you described.

And I do get your experimental nature. I'm the type that has to touch the hot oven too! I took a zumba class, which was incredibly easy on my dancer brain, but kicked my post PG with twins body. Into next weekend. Should not have been an issue in my head, but in reality was just WAY too much for my current situation.

At your age you should not be dealing with an extreme aging appearance anyway. But obviously, probably don't look like your 20 y/o self. (unless you were a wild partier!). Which is why a lighter touch will work for you for quite some time.

Now, as people age, they are dealing with some simple realities with regard to the aging process. Oxidative stress has increased. Your bodies enzymes that fight it have decreased. All natural processes for the living. But natural processes that can be slowed down with the right diet, sleep, exercise, etc.

I always get really flustered with the types that say... Once you hit 50 it's downhill from there.

Well, ok, so you don't look or feel 20 anymore. But there's no reason to head for the walker or the wheel chair. You may have to work harder to obtain goals more easily reached in your 20s but much of it is doable.

I often refer to the "elderly" bodybuilders. They are obtaining 20 something looking year old bodies. Through HARD CORE work. Curves just won't cut it at that age. Some of them started when they were "older", and they suffered through the "uglies", if you will. But to get to where they are, they often have to go through hard core. UNLESS, they managed quite well from an early age.

Could they do curves and be happy with softer, fluffier bodies? Sure! The question is: Do they want to? Will that be satisfying? Will it offer their best result.

This is why the claim "there are 'no uglies' " is, IMO, totally untruthful. You can't guarantee that absolutely NO ONE will go through an "awkward" stage.

Well, actually, the only way to guarantee that NO ONE will go through an awkward stage is to not challenge their tissues in any fashion.

Many can avoid the awkward stage if they are self aware, take photos, use common sense, and ask questions from trainers IN THE KNOW!

You refer to Monkey mouth. That came a few years back from a Flexer who flat our did not pay attn. to her own FAST results. She got so excited with how her mouth was responding, she over worked and over built. She basically took an exercise from "bodybuilding" to "Powerlifting".

Powerlifters do the SAME EXACT routines that bodybuilders do. They are just crazy (LOL) with regard to the weight they go for. They have ZERO interest in symmetry, or aesthetic. It's ALL about size and strength.

Some facial exercisers will fall into the more is better thought process. It happens to the best of us.

How many raccoon eyes have you seen because a woman liked the thin eyeliner, but kept adding more 'till she looked like a street walker.

How many times do you hear of someone liking what exfoliation (chem. or physical) does for their skin, but then you hear they burnt or scrubbed their face off.

You can NOT guarantee people will use common sense, or that all are as self aware as you.

So, for example I can't guarantee that you won't develop monkey mouth, because I can't guarantee that you WILL exercise judgement when enough is enough. I CAN guarantee that if your muscle, by way of your natural DNA, can respond it WILL respond to the work I have to offer.

Nor can I guarantee that you will be happy with your DNA. Have you read some the expectations? People want their entire structure changed. Not to remain youthful but move eyes, grow extra skull, remove bone.

Just like bodybuilding... no woman will EVER look like a man unless she is shooting up, or has an over abundance of male hormones. But some women will grow themselves a huge bootie without even realizing it because that's in their makeup. And they don't understand the concept of squats, ham string curls, deadlifts and how they impact them, nor do they ask. They just DO. And then get upset that OMG... IT WORKED! Just not desirably so. Because they don't know WHY it worked. But now those exercises are bad, disappointing and don't deliver. Oh they delivered all right.

I'll close this insanely long post with a post I did for my forum a while back. I LOVED Will and Grace... ENJOY!

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So, quite often people come in and ask for help. And we redirect them to workshop.

The reason has much to do with people applying the "solutions" to another's problem, and often getting upset because they really didn't have a grasp of the other's problem, and the "solution" didn't work for them...

I'm ALWAYS reminded of this episode of Will & Grace, and FINALLY found the clip... Do you understand now???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LAg2B1JQck

Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:26 am

TheresaMary wrote:

Oh wow that’s great, and you know if you design something really good you may want to consider selling it – after all that’s what others have done and especially if your doing all the research etc.

I can't believe I'm actually thinking it...I have been wondering if I'm bypassing an opportunity to use a unique "gift" (my hypersensitive muscles) for income earning purposes. My conundrum is that I place a very high price on my privacy, and therefore I'm extremely reluctant to have my face plastered on/in a book or website. Besides that, I've always looked younger than my age, so pictures would be deceiving. Someone might think my program must be effective based on my appearance alone, without taking genetics, or other factors that influence the aging process, into account. I'd much rather use models who have aged naturally do the program for a specified period of time and hold their befores/afters up as examples of what changes the program is capable of producing. And then things get really complicated because I would want volunteers who are willing to sign waivers stating that they'll forgo any and all cosmetic procedures (including Botox and fillers) for an agreeable amount of time. And they'd have to agree to take pictures using the same camera, lighting and angles. There would be quite a lot of details to arrange. Just thinking about it makes my head ache Confused

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Well it might not need tweaking, as you are already doing the tweaking for yourself, but if I were to try your program it may have to be tweaked.

That's the beauty of all my glorious - and horrifyingly inglorious! - trial and error. I have collected a plethora of "rejects" that weren't right for my face that would work perfectly for someone else's. I have fat cheeks that I'm working on sculpting, but someone else may have gaunt cheeks that need building. Well, I've got a bunch of exercises that will build full, rounded cheeks from every angle. What they do to me is make me look like a chipmunk that's spent the past several hours relentlessly gathering nuts.

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I think the “no uglies” is probably the wrong label to use, as with facial exercise its not so much about getting uglies, but overbuilding, and to be honest I’ve not found one program out there that doesn’t give someone the uglies.

I'm sure that's true, but, as Claudia mentioned below, some people experience initial inflammation when they begin a program. I'm of the opinion that it's work-around-able. I'm learning to target certain muscles (like the mouth - which seems to be a universal quick responder) indirectly.

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Even a program that claimed not to give uglies was proven to give someone bad results a little while ago, so it’s a tightrope if you ask me, but hey I think its always good to aim high!

Aim high and never make sweeping claims! Laughing

That's kind of funny, actually. Fate and Irony: Never, ever tempt them, for they will find and make mincemeat of you Very Happy

HippoMe wrote:

Nanella, please, please post your instructions sooner than later, they sound really great!

I haven't even mentioned the greatest one of all (and if I decide to just outright post instructions, this is one I'm getting copyrighted first, because it is just that good). I try to be humble, but this is one I'm particularly proud of. I've stumbled onto one exercise - just *one*! - that works exactly like a face lift. It hits every single elevating muscle (plus cheeks) that is required for lifting the midface. It targets them in such a way that I perform maybe two reps and, boom, instant rejuvenation. I've never tried anything that comes close to producing similar results. Talk about your happy accidents! And it's been field-tested Wink

I've been hit on by three younger men - honestly, they looked college-aged - since I started doing this exercise, and I haven't gotten attention from that crowd since a few years and 20 lbs. ago Laughing

So one way or another there will be something to look forward to in a few months' time. If I throw caution to the wind and decide to go the book route, I'll probably be looking for volunteers to do the before/after thing.

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I didn't get the uglies with CFF or Ageless

Proof positive that inflammation is work-around-able! Especially if you were doing Ageless; it's a high intensity program, in my experience.

ClaudiaFE wrote:

At your age you should not be dealing with an extreme aging appearance anyway. But obviously, probably don't look like your 20 y/o self. (unless you were a wild partier!). Which is why a lighter touch will work for you for quite some time.

I apologize...I must be doing a horrendous job of explaining the mechanics of my customized program. I actually don't use a "light touch", my exercises are no less intense than your own, or LouLou's for that matter; it's the type of resistance employed and where it's applied that makes all the difference. And, this is critical, I can only do a couple of reps at a time. I have to spread my mini-sets out over the course of an entire day. A person who doesn't have my issues wouldn't have to take the same precautions. If the program wasn't intensive, I wouldn't be doing it. If I wanted a "light touch" instead of serious muscle building, I'm sure there are programs out there that would be far more suitable.

I don't mean to repeat myself ad nauseum, it's just that I continue to fail at explaining and you continue to consequently, and unintentionally, misunderstand me, which is creating a tiresome circular conversation. Which isn't to say you haven't been a veritable fount of information and insight. So maybe I should be grateful for my murky explanations that have had to be revised numerous times.

I would like to respond to everything you say, to everything said by every person who has responded to this thread, but I have a limited energy budget and have to use it wisely. Please don't take offense if it seems like I'm ignoring vast swathes of valuable insight. I promise that I have read everything thoughtfully and thoroughly. Thank you for caring enough to share so prolifically Smile

free skin care · Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:33 am

Hi Nanella,

I'm 43 and find that mixing facial exercises and microcurrent gives my face great results. I'm also an esthetician who specializes in microcurrent. When I work on NL folds on my clients I really concentrate on these two areas: (but I give the entire face a thorough workout as well for the full effect of course)

How to lift the jowls with Microcurrent

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJVu7-CV3qw&feature=youtube_gdata_player

How to lift the cheeks with mc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tYoa9Hc484&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Hope this helps.

Christine Byer
Master Esthetician Www.austinesthetician.com

free skin care · Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:36 pm

I'm only in my early twenties, and I'm starting to get minor nasiolabial folds.

Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:57 pm

girltwocb wrote:

Hi Nanella,

I'm 43 and find that mixing facial exercises and microcurrent gives my face great results. I'm also an esthetician who specializes in microcurrent. When I work on NL folds on my clients I really concentrate on these two areas: (but I give the entire face a thorough workout as well for the full effect of course)

How to lift the jowls with Microcurrent

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJVu7-CV3qw&feature=youtube_gdata_player

How to lift the cheeks with mc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tYoa9Hc484&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Hope this helps.

Christine Byer
Master Esthetician Www.austinesthetician.com

Thanks for the links, Christine Smile

I think I'm going to hold off on adding a device to my regimen for the forseeable future, but maybe someone else can make good use of your instructional videos.

VeronicaM wrote:

I'm only in my early twenties, and I'm starting to get minor nasiolabial folds.

Are you sure, Veronica, that what you're seeing isn't actually a shedding of "baby fat"? It's perfectly normal for some young women to have definition in the upper nasolabial area. I haven't seen your pictures and don't want to make any assumptions, but I can't help wondering if your face is simply transitioning from girlish contours to more womanly contours. Our faces (and bodies, of course) can continue to mature until 24-25. I don't know if most people realize that physical maturity doesn't necessarily correspond with society's cut-off point for adolescence.

If you want to take preventative measures to keep your skin as youthful as possible for as long as possible, you might be interested in adding a vitamin C serum to your beauty regimen, and you'll also want to use a stable sunscreen with a high PPD and/or SPF on a daily basis.

And don't forget, we're always our own worst critic Wink

You may see signs of aging in the mirror, but I'll bet others see a beautiful young woman when they look at you.

free skin care · Sat Jun 30, 2012 8:11 am

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