Thin translusent skin from over exfoliation
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Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:59 pm

Hi

So I have thin translucent-ish skin under my eyes. Causes are lack of sleep and over-exfoliation. I now exfoliate only vary rarely which means my skin is back to normal now, but the dark circles under my eyes are visible.

There are 3 approaches as I understand it.
1, to reduce capillary bleeding with a cold compress or topical.
2, thicken the skin.
3, increase the skins pigment to reduce translucency and stop the buleish tinge from showing. I'm most interested in points 2 & 3.

Does anyone here know of a way to thicken the epidermis? I know CE ferulic and Retinols helps to thicken the dermis, but to combat translucency and get my colour and pigment back I need to focus on the epidermis.

My best guess is gelatine or dry brushing. Is that the way to go, or is there something else I can try?

Thanks

free skin care · Wed Jan 02, 2013 4:05 pm

UKwithLove wrote:

Hi

So I have thin translucent-ish skin under my eyes. Causes are lack of sleep and over-exfoliation. I now exfoliate only vary rarely which means my skin is back to normal now, but the dark circles under my eyes are visible.

There are 3 approaches as I understand it.
1, to reduce capillary bleeding with a cold compress or topical.
2, thicken the skin.
3, increase the skins pigment to reduce translucency and stop the buleish tinge from showing. I'm most interested in points 2 & 3.

Does anyone here know of a way to thicken the epidermis? I know CE ferulic and Retinols helps to thicken the dermis, but to combat translucency and get my colour and pigment back I need to focus on the epidermis.

My best guess is gelatine or dry brushing. Is that the way to go, or is there something else I can try?

Thanks

UKwithLove I do believe face exercises can thicken the skin under the eyes so that it's not see-through in a way that lets blood capillaries show through. I believe also the the increased blood flow flushes toxins away and brings oxygenated blood which is brighter thus helping reduce dark circles.

You can see the difference exercise makes to dark circles in the progress in Shanti's eyes: http://www.carolynsfacialfitness.com/shanti

Here's more information on how exercises get rid of dark circles:
http://www.carolynsfacialfitness.com/how-does-the-cff-face-exercise-system-get-rid-of-dark-circles-and-bags-under-the-eyes

free skin care · Wed Jan 02, 2013 4:08 pm

If you want to thicken the dermis, you need retin-a. But retin-a thins the epidermis, something you don't want.

I would suggest a very gentle cleanser, antioxidant serum, SPF for morning and a repairing cream at night. Do this for a few months and then check back in with your skin.

Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:33 pm

Hi Nonie, thanks for the links. Sounds like lymphatic massage, I take it such massages have worked for you. I guess at a fundamental level, placing pressure on the skin will cause it to respond by thickening up, much like callused hands and feet caused by labouring or walking barefooted.

Hi LauraLizzie, I thought about Retain A in the past but the sun sensitivity issue always holds me back as it seems like exchanging one problem for another (hyperpigmentation), not to mention the work involved in keeping out of the sun. The C+E Ferulic option appears to have all the upsides of Retinoic acid, and also works as a sunscreen. Am I missing something, as I can't see why people still use retinoic acid with this new HG in town? I am missing a gentle cleanser though, any recommendations?

I think a combination of massage for circulation plus dry brushing, and a nightly C+E Ferulic serum is the way to go.

Thu Jan 03, 2013 3:59 pm

Quote:

So I have thin translucent-ish skin under my eyes. Causes are lack of sleep and over-exfoliation. I now exfoliate only vary rarely which means my skin is back to normal now, but the dark circles under my eyes are visible.

There are 3 approaches as I understand it.
1, to reduce capillary bleeding with a cold compress or topical.
2, thicken the skin.
3, increase the skins pigment to reduce translucency and stop the buleish tinge from showing. I'm most interested in points 2 & 3.

Does anyone here know of a way to thicken the epidermis? I know CE ferulic and Retinols helps to thicken the dermis, but to combat translucency and get my colour and pigment back I need to focus on the epidermis.

My best guess is gelatine or dry brushing. Is that the way to go, or is there something else I can try?

Thanks

How often did you exfoliate? My skin responds really well to exfoliation and I'm acne prone, but I'm worried that I could be doing the same. Can you please share your routine?

free skin care · Thu Jan 03, 2013 9:34 pm

UKwithLove wrote:

Hi Nonie, thanks for the links. Sounds like lymphatic massage, I take it such massages have worked for you. I guess at a fundamental level, placing pressure on the skin will cause it to respond by thickening up, much like callused hands and feet caused by labouring or walking barefooted.

Hi UKwithLove just to be clear, any lymphatic massage around my eyes has happened indirectly. I do not perform any massage within the eye socket. Not even the pinch and roll that some exercisers do. By working all the muscles of the face, I believe that is how I might cause movement of lymphatic fluid. The area under the eyes is so delicate that I try not bother it.

Fri Jan 04, 2013 6:38 am

Makeupsmad, sure, I have several points for you:

The first thing is that in my experience, any physical exfoliation is just plain damaging. If you must exfoliate only use a Chemical exfoliator, although it's name needs rebranding, is 100% the only way to go as it gently removes the top layer as opposed to taring it away with abrasion. Furthermore, there is only 1 exfoliator I will ever use period, and that's Cure Natural Aqua Gel. Google it to find out why.

2. Something I learned the hard way is, never exfoliate the under-eye area. This happens to be the thinnest skin on the body and thus prone to major damage by physical exfoliants.

3. The under-eye area needs very, very, very special care in the form of a cold compress of some sort. Why? Because this prevents fluid from swelling up this delicate eye area. Even splashing cold water on your face helps although realistically you can't keep running to the tap all day. Just do what you can, and be mindful of it as if you allow tired eyes to go untreated with cold therapy, then this thin skin gets slowly deformed making eye bags worse and worse.

Fri Jan 04, 2013 6:40 am

Nonie. Thanks for that I will research into facial massage!

Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:00 pm

what do you mean by saying you exfoliated the under eye area? I put my AHAs and BHAs on the crow`s feet area, where I can feel my orbital bone. Is that ok

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