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Fri Jun 14, 2013 12:24 pm  |
In a few days, I am meeting some girl friends in Las Vegas and we're planning to attend this beauty and medspa conference!:
http://www.iecsc.com/las-vegas
You can click on the link to see all the exhibitors. I am looking forward to checking out the latest and greatest...
If any of you recognize any of these names and have any comments, let me know....I want to get around to the booths and demos that will provide info and samples closest to the types of serums and gadgets, health services, etc. that we discuss here.
Thanks! BFG |
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Sat Jun 15, 2013 6:33 pm |
I envy you (in the good way).  Wish I was going. Looking forward to lots of news from the cutting edge when you get back! |
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Sat Jun 15, 2013 10:08 pm |
| I am jealous too. I will be very interested in what Dr. S has to say about dermarolling and if he talks about the new electric "pens". |
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Sat Jun 15, 2013 11:44 pm |
Hope you have a wonderful and educational time!
Enjoy yourself, sooo jealous |
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Sun Jun 16, 2013 12:45 pm |
| CookieD wrote: |
| I am jealous too. I will be very interested in what Dr. S has to say about dermarolling and if he talks about the new electric "pens". |
Ditto! I would also like to hear any opinions he has on "tearing of skin" per Owndoc. |
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Mon Jun 24, 2013 7:05 am |
| red herring, according to Setterfield. |
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Mon Jun 24, 2013 9:25 am |
So Setterfield thinks that if you glide a device across your skin when the needles never fully retract into the device's recess, that it won't tear your skin?
Not saying all pen devices do that, but it sure looks to me like the needles on the My-m I bought don't fully retract, ever (for example). It worries me. |
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Mon Jun 24, 2013 2:07 pm |
Let me expand - it has more to do with the method/style of application, than the device itself. Remember there are warnings about dragging rollers across your skin as well.
I think it's easier to "drag" needles from an automated pen because your hand may not move in tandem speed with the retraction of the needles so the key would be to coordinate the movement to avoid drag (with rollers, you have to keep lifting to avoid drag)...others appear to alleviate the issue by applying a gel that allows the pen to glide versus drag.
We the users have more control over the issue than the device does....
BFG |
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Mon Jun 24, 2013 2:33 pm |
| BFG wrote: |
Let me expand - it has more to do with the method/style of application, than the device itself. Remember there are warnings about dragging rollers across your skin as well.
I think it's easier to "drag" needles from an automated pen because your hand may not move in tandem speed with the retraction of the needles so the key would be to coordinate the movement to avoid drag (with rollers, you have to keep lifting to avoid drag)...others appear to alleviate the issue by applying a gel that allows the pen to glide versus drag.
We the users have more control over the issue than the device does.... |
Right. Understand that.
But what I'm saying is that with my unit (possibly not all My-m's, I realize I may have a bad one) even with a gel you don't want to glide, because with the longer length adjustments the needles will never, ever lift completely out of your skin unless you lift them clear by removing the device from your skin.
That is, the device itself does not appear to be able to lift the needles clear to avoid drag, when left flush with the skin for a gliding motion. But the ability to glide without tearing is what I thought was a big benefit to the automated pens...they're supposed to allow the user to discretely puncture the skin without having to do all the manual "lifting" that a roller or dermastamp entails.
The My-m created more work for me because at least with a roller or dermastamp you're covering more ground with each motion.
Anyways, I think I'm going to quit banging this drum for now, and wait to see what the Dermajet looks like. It could be that my perception about the needles is wrong, and that the needles are moving too fast (even at 3x per second, I examined at several different speeds) for me to see them recess properly. A look at another device will probably give me a better answer. And if nothing else I may just move to dermastamps and to hell with the expensive gadgets. 
BFG, very much looking forward to your review of the conference when you get back. Have a great time, and know that many of us are with you in spirit! |
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Mon Jun 24, 2013 9:18 pm |
| Yubs wrote: |
| BFG wrote: |
Let me expand - it has more to do with the method/style of application, than the device itself. Remember there are warnings about dragging rollers across your skin as well.
I think it's easier to "drag" needles from an automated pen because your hand may not move in tandem speed with the retraction of the needles so the key would be to coordinate the movement to avoid drag (with rollers, you have to keep lifting to avoid drag)...others appear to alleviate the issue by applying a gel that allows the pen to glide versus drag.
We the users have more control over the issue than the device does.... |
Right. Understand that.
But what I'm saying is that with my unit (possibly not all My-m's, I realize I may have a bad one) even with a gel you don't want to glide, because with the longer length adjustments the needles will never, ever lift completely out of your skin unless you lift them clear by removing the device from your skin.
That is, the device itself does not appear to be able to lift the needles clear to avoid drag, when left flush with the skin for a gliding motion. But the ability to glide without tearing is what I thought was a big benefit to the automated pens...they're supposed to allow the user to discretely puncture the skin without having to do all the manual "lifting" that a roller or dermastamp entails.
The My-m created more work for me because at least with a roller or dermastamp you're covering more ground with each motion.
Anyways, I think I'm going to quit banging this drum for now, and wait to see what the Dermajet looks like. It could be that my perception about the needles is wrong, and that the needles are moving too fast (even at 3x per second, I examined at several different speeds) for me to see them recess properly. A look at another device will probably give me a better answer. And if nothing else I may just move to dermastamps and to hell with the expensive gadgets.
BFG, very much looking forward to your review of the conference when you get back. Have a great time, and know that many of us are with you in spirit! |
Yubs,
Just wondered, have you seen the Dermajet demo videos on this link?:
http://shop.owndoc.com/product-info.php?DermaJet-pid230.html
Can you glide like this with your My-M? (can anyone with a My-M glide like this?). From the color of her neck it looks like a 1mm or higher needle length for sure... 
I'm wavering over whether to buy the Dermajet or My-M and biggest consideration for me is the gliding thing. Any advice would be great.
Thanks!  |
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Tue Jun 25, 2013 3:37 am |
Hi Yubs,
I am back! with 4 pages of scribbled notes! 
I truly do hear what you are saying about the pen devices and the motions involved in working with them on the skin.
When I bought my My-M, I had a fantasy that it would glide cleanly and quickly across my skin.
That is not the case, I actually just hold in place and move it from spot to spot.
Setterfield says it takes too long to use it for the whole face or skin area - so he still rolls the wide areas and uses the pen for the crevices and creases, etc....hmmmm sounds familiar
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Tue Jun 25, 2013 9:26 am |
| felixia wrote: |
Yubs,
Just wondered, have you seen the Dermajet demo videos on this link?:
http://shop.owndoc.com/product-info.php?DermaJet-pid230.html
Can you glide like this with your My-M? (can anyone with a My-M glide like this?). From the color of her neck it looks like a 1mm or higher needle length for sure... Shock
I'm wavering over whether to buy the Dermajet or My-M and biggest consideration for me is the gliding thing. Any advice would be great. |
felixia, I haven't used the Dermajet yet. BUT...I did receive it today and had time to get it out of the box before I went to work. I wasn't going to post about it since I haven't actually used it yet, but since you asked...
Preliminarily, I can say that it is way more powerful and much better made than the My-m I have. But please know my experience with the My-m may not be typical...lots of people here like them. And there are apparently many different makers of the My-m so I may have just gotten unlucky and gotten a bad one from a bad manufacturer. But my My-m is crappy and I'm sending it back.
Honestly, I'm impressed with the "out-of-the-box" quality of the Dermajet. The "out-of-box" difference in quality between Dermajet and the My-m I have is kind of like the difference between a Trek brand bicycle and a sale bike from the Dollar Store.
And there is almost no comparison in the strength of the device and how it "punches"...My-m kind of rattles when turned on. The needles look to me more like they're vibrating back and forth instead of actually going up and down. Dermajet actually punches, kind of like a nail gun. But not nearly that powerful. And please no one take "nail gun" analogy and run away with it like Dermajet is going to pound our faces into hamburger. I use it only to try to give an idea of what it's like.
However, please know I didn't have time to figure out how to assemble the needles into the Dermajet, so haven't checked it with the needles yet to see if the needles retract all the way into the needle recess at any point, etc. But there is a definite punching action to this, as I said, similar to a nail gun. Very different from the My-m.
I can't recommend the My-m but don't want to recommend the Dermajet yet because I haven't used it or even checked it with the needles. But initial quality out of the box is Dermajet, for sure. I'm kind of excited about it and now wish I'd waited a few days before using the My-m so I could try them both at the same time.
I'm just sharing this mostly to give you food for thought. My advice is to hold off on buying a My-m until we know more about the quality of other devices, or at least getting a link to a good My-m vendor from someone who is satisfied with theirs. Maybe someone who got theirs made in Korea instead of China. Don't get it off Amazon.
HTH. |
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Tue Jun 25, 2013 9:33 am |
| BFG, waiting with bated breath for your transcribed notes! |
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Sun Jun 30, 2013 1:54 pm |
| Yubs wrote: |
| BFG, waiting with bated breath for your transcribed notes! |
Ditto! |
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Mon Jul 01, 2013 6:36 am |
The people who attended paid to attend, so I don't feel comfortable posting it publicly verbatim all in one place....seems almost the same as cutting and pasting book passages (to me).
That said, I am happy to share what I learned I the form of comments and feedback. I have paraphrased some of these good bits of info in recent posts here if you want to click on my recent posts....
Additionally, if there are specific questions, I would be happy to let you all know if and or how they were answered at the conference.
Thanks, BFG |
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Mon Jul 01, 2013 7:02 am |
| Hi BFG, I know you said Dr. S uses a combination of pens and rollers for needling. Did he say anything about encouraging inflammation or trying to calm in down right away? Also does he still think the 4 to 6 week time frame is good for a needling treatment schedule? |
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Mon Jul 01, 2013 8:21 am |
Yes, he disagrees with Des Fernandes and others about inflammation - he believes in quickly "putting out the fire" after the triggering event. I think his next book will explain why he differs in opinion, IIRC, something about the presence of white blood cells.
Yes, 4 to 6 weeks and he warned people in the business against encouraging consumers to come in too often for treatments (even though it means more money for them).
I understand he also wants to do a study on needle lengths to narrow that issue down too - since there has been some differing professional opinions.
I think each "expert" and the companies they are affiliated with - (he is affiliated with MTS) are going to claim their system is better in some way - so I think it's up to each of us to decide which explanation makes the most sense to each of us.
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Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:44 pm |
I hoped you would post about your Vegas Face and Body Expo trip!
Did you take any classes? Get lots of free stuff? I really want to go to the Chicago one in March but it keeps matching up with my kid's spring break. |
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