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Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:50 am      Reply with quote
I see many people get under skin bumps from OCM while others have good results.
If the ''purging'' of anyone has stopped after months of OCM then please let us know.

Now my thought:We all know oils can penetrate deep down.So when the oil cleanse the pore how do we know that the bacteria that feeds on dirt doesnt go even deeper down????!!!!

Thats the problem with anything penetrative.It can dump out toxins but it can also make them go even deeper.

Let the blood do the job by cleaning up diet and enviromental toxins.

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Thu Sep 05, 2013 2:51 am      Reply with quote
The "purging" stops at different times, for different people based on how much their skin needs to cleanse etc. OCM is based on what we know from chemistry that it takes an oil to remove an oil, and its not just about the oil, as you cleanse after doing the OCM with water to ensure the oil is gone. If anything any remaining oil would help suffocate the bacteria (if any) that was remaining.

Bacteria isn't all bad, the body needs some to stay in balance after all. The blood can and will help to some degree, but you got to be realistic it can't do everything
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Thu Sep 05, 2013 2:57 am      Reply with quote
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The "purging" stops at different times, for different people based on how much their skin needs to cleanse etc. OCM is based on what we know from chemistry that it takes an oil to remove an oil, and its not just about the oil, as you cleanse after doing the OCM with water to ensure the oil is gone. If anything any remaining oil would help suffocate the bacteria (if any) that was remaining.

Bacteria isn't all bad, the body needs some to stay in balance after all. The blood can and will help to some degree, but you got to be realistic it can't do everything


how do you know it is purging?
Hm you really CANT KNOW Wink

I really regret trying this stuff as it also made some underskin bumps.

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Thu Sep 05, 2013 4:49 am      Reply with quote
You know because over time the purging stops. It doesn’t last forever.

It’s a natural way of allowing the skin to detox of things, and we all know how important that is for our health. If you compare it to when you switch from eating only cooked foods to eating some fresh vegetables and fruits the body detoxes, well the skin is the same.
It also depends on the oil combination you use, some have felt that olive oil and castor oil was too thick for them so used avacardo etc instead, some use more olive oil etc.
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The "purging" stops at different times, for different people based on how much their skin needs to cleanse etc. OCM is based on what we know from chemistry that it takes an oil to remove an oil, and its not just about the oil, as you cleanse after doing the OCM with water to ensure the oil is gone. If anything any remaining oil would help suffocate the bacteria (if any) that was remaining.

Bacteria isn't all bad, the body needs some to stay in balance after all. The blood can and will help to some degree, but you got to be realistic it can't do everything


how do you know it is purging?
Hm you really CANT KNOW Wink

I really regret trying this stuff as it also made some underskin bumps.
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Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:19 am      Reply with quote
Seems you are right.
Its about 2 weeks or something and the purging somehow is being diminished.

Also regarding the zits that are coming out they are clearing up at most in 2 days.They are not normal breakouts.It must be detox.

But what i am afraid of is that if we stimulate the lymph in the face then maybe we are detoxing also stuff from the neck and scalp and they are coming concentrated from the faec.Just a thought.

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Mon Sep 16, 2013 11:17 pm      Reply with quote
I think I'm the *only* person who never went through a purging period when I started ocm-ing. I don't know if I'm lucky or my skin is just weird. :P

But I think when the skin is purging, it's a surface thing. Like an interaction with the dead skin cells, bacteria, etc. on the skin's surface.
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I think I'm the *only* person who never went through a purging period when I started ocm-ing. I don't know if I'm lucky or my skin is just weird. :P

But I think when the skin is purging, it's a surface thing. Like an interaction with the dead skin cells, bacteria, etc. on the skin's surface.


Hm if you dont get purging from the ocm stimulating lymphs,then seems your internal organs are doing all the job in clearing toxins.Or you just have kept a really healthy lifestyle for a long time so the internal organs arent overwhelmed and not in need of the lymph system for detoxing.

The surface theory sounds interesting.

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Tue Sep 17, 2013 1:46 pm      Reply with quote
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I think I'm the *only* person who never went through a purging period when I started ocm-ing. I don't know if I'm lucky or my skin is just weird. :P

But I think when the skin is purging, it's a surface thing. Like an interaction with the dead skin cells, bacteria, etc. on the skin's surface.


Hm if you dont get purging from the ocm stimulating lymphs,then seems your internal organs are doing all the job in clearing toxins.Or you just have kept a really healthy lifestyle for a long time so the internal organs arent overwhelmed and not in need of the lymph system for detoxing.

The surface theory sounds interesting.



If this is true Pano, how did you possibly have purging since you eat nothing but fresh fruits and other healthy foods? Your system should be clean and pure living off of pineapple and fresh air.

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lol first of funny thing you call me pano like gramatically correct in greek.Seems like life have treated you well to be in greece for some time.

Secondly,are you aware of the health war that is happening Shock Shock ?Really are you aware?
Heavy metals and bad halogens in the water you drink and bath.Chemical warfare(chemtrails) since 1949 in the air.Microwave and frequency warfare.ETC ETC.

Third its just the last months that i turn myself into human diet aka fruits but still i eat bread and other silly stuff.I cant procceed immediatley to 100% fruitarian cause that would be dangerous for the same reason that you cant put immediatlely in the sun a 1 year hold prisoner in total darkness Wink Cool

It all depends on how open to learning and education you are.

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Tue Sep 17, 2013 4:13 pm      Reply with quote
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lol first of funny thing you call me pano like gramatically correct in greek.Seems like life have treated you well to be in greece for some time.


Also means "diarrhea" in Russian.

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panoslydios wrote:
lol first of funny thing you call me pano like gramatically correct in greek.Seems like life have treated you well to be in greece for some time.


Also means "diarrhea" in Russian.


LMAO!!!!

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panoslydios wrote:
lol first of funny thing you call me pano like gramatically correct in greek.Seems like life have treated you well to be in greece for some time.


Also means "diarrhea" in Russian.


In ukrainian also.
Anyway my real name is panagiotis.Try to pronounce that Wink

Btw your signature says ''fighting age''.LOOOOOOL
You fight aging with retin-a,clarisonic,industrial sludge(aka copper),palancia hf(what the hell is that ?),toxic fillers ????
Sounds like you fell for a huge scam.

You dont fight age .That would be at least idiotic.You come in balance with Nature and as a side effect you are not aging.Period!!!

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panoslydios wrote:
lol first of funny thing you call me pano like gramatically correct in greek.Seems like life have treated you well to be in greece for some time.


Also means "diarrhea" in Russian.


In ukrainian also.
Anyway my real name is panagiotis.Try to pronounce that Wink

Btw your signature says ''fighting age''.LOOOOOOL
You fight aging with retin-a,clarisonic,industrial sludge(aka copper),palancia hf(what the hell is that ?),toxic fillers ????
Sounds like you fell for a huge scam.

You dont fight age .That would be at least idiotic.You come in balance with Nature and as a side effect you are not aging.Period!!!

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Tue Sep 17, 2013 6:51 pm      Reply with quote
panoslydios wrote:
foxe wrote:
panoslydios wrote:
lol first of funny thing you call me pano like gramatically correct in greek.Seems like life have treated you well to be in greece for some time.


Also means "diarrhea" in Russian.


In ukrainian also.


pbi...correction...fwiw...

ponos = diarrhea (Russian, Ukrainian...)

panos = panel (Russian, Ukrainian...)
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You say copper is industrial sludge, yet there are many years showing how antiaging beneficial it is, and also you forget that copper is an essential mineral that was in most of our ancestors foods and that is depleted nowadays. Second you don’t know that palancia HF (its high frequency) and again is a technology developed by Nika Telsa and has again a wide range of testimonials behind it.

These aren’t scams, if anything the fruitian thing you constantly quote is a scam. Not everyone can live on fruits (you yourself as an example prove this).

With fighting age – of course we want to fight premature aging, in whatever way, shape or form its caused. With coming into balance with nature, that is a great philosophy but you have to live, make money and eat at the same time. It would be wonderful if we could be in complete balance with nature, but our livestyles do not allow it to be so. Sure we can do small things to make small changes, but why would you think anyone would openly want to prematurely age no matter what age they are at?

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Btw your signature says ''fighting age''.LOOOOOOL
You fight aging with retin-a,clarisonic,industrial sludge(aka copper),palancia hf(what the hell is that ?),toxic fillers ????
Sounds like you fell for a huge scam.

You dont fight age .That would be at least idiotic.You come in balance with Nature and as a side effect you are not aging.Period!!!
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I must be lucky too, Chlrophyl, I have had NO purging , spots,zits or anything! Just my skin looking good after Embarassed

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Third its just the last months that i turn myself into human diet aka fruits but still i eat bread and other silly stuff.I cant procceed immediatley to 100% fruitarian cause that would be dangerous for the same reason that you cant put immediatlely in the sun a 1 year hold prisoner in total darkness.



So when you say "you need to only eat ______ (fill in the blank) PERIOD. You are not doing it yourself. This great way of eating that you say everyone has to do, you only have been doing that partially and only for a few months.


The 40 day OJ fast you recommend over and over you have not done yourself. I wouldn't be at all surprised if many of the other things you unequivocally state that people should do or their crazy you have no personal experience with. You read about them on the Internet and now they are fact.

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panoslydios wrote:

Third its just the last months that i turn myself into human diet aka fruits but still i eat bread and other silly stuff.I cant procceed immediatley to 100% fruitarian cause that would be dangerous for the same reason that you cant put immediatlely in the sun a 1 year hold prisoner in total darkness.



So when you say "you need to only eat ______ (fill in the blank) PERIOD. You are not doing it yourself. This great way of eating that you say everyone has to do, you only have been doing that partially and only for a few months.


The 40 day OJ fast you recommend over and over you have not done yourself. I wouldn't be at all surprised if many of the other things you unequivocally state that people should do or their crazy you have no personal experience with. You read about them on the Internet and now they are fact.


I will make a thread in october .It will be a log of my orange juice fasting or generally only juice feasting together with mono fruit diet.Ok?

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