Face nerve pain treatment suggestion and also cystic acne?
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free skin care · Sun Aug 18, 2013 3:46 am

I've had really bad luck with my skin the past 6 months.

I one day woke up with a very inflamed jaw only on one side of my face.
Actually thought I needed a root canal and went to the dentist for a x-ray.
No tooth problems as all, was given antibiotics as a precaution.

The inflamation in my jaw was reduced by at least 50% after one day of antibiotics.
At least that was a good start.

But I still had a extreme amount of nerve pain in t he right side of my lower jaw.
So bad that I had to take tylenol #3 or #2 just to sleep or function or else I would constantly wake up from pain in my face.

I did go to a derm and all they did was tell me to use a cream for scarring that contained silicone and viamin C.
I already knew that would not do much as I already used to use a product w those ingredients.

I next saw a specialist for some muscle inflamation I had and was told to take prednisone for general inflamation and that it could also help with my nerve pain.

That did not really work and my skin looked worse and I ended up with stomach issues.
So not taking prednisone or anything now.

Went to a different derm and ended up getting some cortisone injections for a few stubborn blemishes and that did help a bit with my face nerve pain....surprisingly.

But somehow this past week my face nerve pain is much worse and nothing is helping.
I am supposed to go back to the derm next week to follow up on my last visit there.

I doubt the derm will do anything more for my skin other than cortisone injections.

So now I look like I have a huge dent in my lower jaw (or face profile) that is around 3" long and around 2" in height.
Also my skin texture in that area now looks more dimpled and "orange peel" like.

I did do a couple of the Exuviance skin peels and that area of my skin looks smoother, but it still has that huge dent....and I forgot to mention a 2" long scar that is near my chin from when my skin ended up tearing from my jaw being too inflamed.

Does anyone here have any ideas on what I could try to get rid of facial nerve pain?
It is not as bad now as 6 months ago, but it still feel like I've been punched in the jaw on one side of my face...

I did see a cosmetic surgeon, who surprisingly did not have any suggestions and ordered a x-ray of my jaw.
I already know the x-ray will not turn up anything as I've had a ton of them this year from doing Invisalign.

I will prob see another cosmetic dr sometime as now my jawline looks really uneven and I am not happy with that.
The cosmetic surgeon I did see is supposed to be one of the top in Ontario and only has a private practice.
So, was really hoping for a better consult there.

Has anyone had such a strange issue with their face?
The derm I saw was surprised my jaw went from being fine to extremely inflamed overnight with no found cause.

free skin care · Sun Aug 18, 2013 4:07 am

I would strongly recommend that you see a highly trained and experienced TCM practioner.

Very sorry to hear of your distress.

I would be looking into an anti inflammatory diet also, if I were you. A trip to a wholistic nutrionist would be advisable. Again, it is crucial to find someone highly qualified and very experienced.

free skin care · Sun Aug 18, 2013 4:31 am

Acupuncture works quickly to bring down inflammation and pain.

Take oregano oil internally and as a mouthwash.

Take colloidal silver and circumin with black pepper.

Take green smoothies daily and probiotics.

Your gut flora is depleted, you have inflammation and had a secondary infection, which is why the antibiotics helped initially.

The infection will be liable to recurr which is what the oregano and colloidal silver is for.

You need to bring the inflammation down, which is what the turmeric/circumin us for.

Stress creates acidity which creates the right environment for inflammation, so alkalise your blood with green drinks.

If you have the cash buy a sota instruments ozonator and drink ozonated water each day, to clean your blood.

The amount of pain you have suffered us backed up in your body memory and is self perpetuating as a habit now which is a fear contraction in you emotionally. If I were you I'd go to youtube and learn EFT and tap for pain relief and if you have the cash, find a practioner to work with to help break the psychological and emotional loop this trauma has set up.

You can sort this issue out with a multi pronged approach.

free skin care · Sun Aug 18, 2013 6:43 am

catski wrote:

Acupuncture works quickly to bring down inflammation and pain.

Take oregano oil internally and as a mouthwash.

Take colloidal silver and circumin with black pepper.

Take green smoothies daily and probiotics.

Your gut flora is depleted, you have inflammation and had a secondary infection, which is why the antibiotics helped initially.

The infection will be liable to recurr which is what the oregano and colloidal silver is for.

You need to bring the inflammation down, which is what the turmeric/circumin us for.

Stress creates acidity which creates the right environment for inflammation, so alkalise your blood with green drinks.

If you have the cash buy a sota instruments ozonator and drink ozonated water each day, to clean your blood.

The amount of pain you have suffered us backed up in your body memory and is self perpetuating as a habit now which is a fear contraction in you emotionally. If I were you I'd go to youtube and learn EFT and tap for pain relief and if you have the cash, find a practioner to work with to help break the psychological and emotional loop this trauma has set up.

You can sort this issue out with a multi pronged approach.

I second these catski's opinions.

Just stay away from silver water oxide(its really not colloidal silver) that KILLS both good and bad bacteria.Please stay away from this nonsense. You dont want poisons(heavy metals) trap into your body.

Also stay away from this ozonated scam.You just need to buy a water distiller and remove the har inorganic stuff from your water.So you drink everyday clean clear water with no need for the ozone scam.

Plese do not trust medical and throw away all vitamins and minerals in pills.
You just need fruit juices and real food=something that was recently alive.

Fasting with orange juice will help the blood do the job by its own.

free skin care · Sun Aug 18, 2013 8:04 am

Panos. What do you make of all the people who have used ozonated water to oxygenate their blood and reversed many many health problems?

Ozonating water is an alternative method to hydrogen peroxide protocol, a well known cancer cure, in fact touted as "the cure for all diseases", since disease cannot flourish in well oxygenated blood. This is why TB is cured with oxygen therapy in germany, for example.

How do you suggest a person get more oxygen into their bloodstream and cells?

I'm interested - please provide the data which has informed your reasoning to dismiss this well known tried and trusted protocol. I would like to read your data behind your refutation in order to make an informed decision of my own.

Personally, hydrogen peroxide therapy and ozonated water has improved my health considerably. I began it experimentally and was surprised at the effects.

If it is, after all, a lot of coincidence then I would love to know.

Have you tried ozonated water substantially, yourself? How did that go for you?

Why do you think it is such a key part of the Becks Protocol cancer treatment?

Btw panos, I asked you in an alternative thread if you would explain what caused you to retract your thesis that iodine helps scars? You called yourself a fool for the way you used iodine and
I'd love to know your revised opinion.

free skin care · Sun Aug 18, 2013 8:10 am

catski wrote:

Panos. What do you make of all the people who have used ozonated water to oxygenate their blood and reversed many many health problems?

Ozonating water is an alternative method to hydrogen peroxide protocol, a well known cancer cure, in fact touted as "the cure for all diseases", since disease cannot flourish in well oxygenated blood. This is why TB is cured with oxygen therapy in germany, for example.

How do you suggest a person get more oxygen into their bloodstream and cells?

I'm interested - please provide the data which has informed your reasoning to dismiss this well known tried and trusted protocol. I would like to read your data behind your refutation in order to make an informed decision of my own.

Personally, hydrogen peroxide therapy and ozonated water has improved my health considerably. I began it experimentally and was surprised at the effects.

If it is, after all, a lot of coincidence then I would love to know.

Have you tried ozonated water substantially, yourself? How did that go for you?

Why do you think it is such a key part of the Becks Protocol cancer treatment?

Btw panos, I asked you in an alternative thread if you would explain what caused you to retract your thesis that iodine helps scars? You called yourself a fool for the way you used iodine and
I'd love to know your revised opinion.

Lets not pollute the thread of the OP that seeks answers with our contradictions.

Quote:

How do you suggest a person get more oxygen into their bloodstream and cells?

Breathing and staying away from enviromental toxins.

Everything is a poison when it gets trapped to your body -Period.
Iodine is a poison and it helps scars cause it causes burns that makes the blood go to the area.
Silver Water just kills every bacteria on touch,so you just fooled your own body by not letting it to do the cleanse with its own mechanism aka red blood cells.

Also you might consider what diseases are really are.Its not something to attack like fools continue to do ,its an acid accumulation and if you help the body by means of cause and effect then you just see the disease actually was there to help the body.

Also you didnt improve your health with hydrogen peroxide and the ozone like.You just made your body lazy and when a second round comes back i suggest you are being prepared better this time with only natural ways.Because your body wasnt deficient in h202 or ozone.

free skin care · Sun Aug 18, 2013 9:16 am

Panos, sounds like you're coming up with this stuff on the fly... some kind of stream of consciousness thing. Confused

Doesn't sound well researched, at all.

Ottawa Shopper, I'm so sorry to hear of your troubles! I agree with Catski in that it's time to look into tcm and other alternative treatments. You poor thing!

I'm also glad she mentioned body memory and the self perpetuating habits. At the very least after 6 months of this, your neck and shoulders may have tensed in response to the pain. This is what happens to me in response to stress or pain, which throws off my entire body. Please try and go for massage, or at least meditate, focusing on what it felt to be relaxed and without trouble in your body. Or imagine how other healthy looking people might feel... remind yourself what its like to be in good health, i.e. try to anchor yourself.

Keep us posted on how you're doing, Ottawa Shopper. Looking forward to hearing of your relief!

free skin care · Sun Aug 18, 2013 10:07 am

panoslydios wrote:

Lets not pollute the thread of the OP that seeks answers with ... contradictions.

I fully agree. I asked for your data. I wish to support OttawaShopper as much as possible, is my reason, and your sweeping statements were presented very stridently as if you hold the definitive truth .. your definitive data behind your stridency would be appreciated

It is actually important that OttawaShopper gets the best input we can give here.

This is not about you or me, but about her, and giving the best assistance possible to somebody in distress.

free skin care · Sun Aug 18, 2013 12:09 pm

OP please dont let again the Md s do more damage to you by means of chemical.Your body needs something real.Keep from catski's reply only the natural stuff please.Oregano oil will kill fungus,bad bacteria,virus etc.

Catski your post doesnt make sense,cause if i put data ,then these data can again be under judgement and dispute cause they are not holding the definitive truth.Nothing holds the real truth.So please take every opinion on a forum like an opinion even if the poster sounds like he is holding the definitive truth.

I have yet to see a TRUE result from using chemicals.So i throw them all in the garbage.

free skin care · Sun Aug 18, 2013 3:47 pm

catski wrote:

Panos. What do you make of all the people who have used ozonated water to oxygenate their blood and reversed many many health problems?

Ozonating water is an alternative method to hydrogen peroxide protocol, a well known cancer cure, in fact touted as "the cure for all diseases", since disease cannot flourish in well oxygenated blood. This is why TB is cured with oxygen therapy in germany, for example.

How do you suggest a person get more oxygen into their bloodstream and cells?

I'm interested - please provide the data which has informed your reasoning to dismiss this well known tried and trusted protocol. I would like to read your data behind your refutation in order to make an informed decision of my own.

Personally, hydrogen peroxide therapy and ozonated water has improved my health considerably. I began it experimentally and was surprised at the effects.

If it is, after all, a lot of coincidence then I would love to know.

Have you tried ozonated water substantially, yourself? How did that go for you?

Why do you think it is such a key part of the Becks Protocol cancer treatment?

Btw panos, I asked you in an alternative thread if you would explain what caused you to retract your thesis that iodine helps scars? You called yourself a fool for the way you used iodine and
I'd love to know your revised opinion.

I will try the Oregano oil.

I'm not too sure I can take most herbs that reduce inflamation.
The problem I have with most of those herbs like garlic,arnica, willow bark, ginko and others is they happen to thin your blood.

I already have a problem with my blood being too thin- not dangerous enough for doctors to do anything- they still do not know the cause.

But last week I scratched my ankle on something and did not notice as it was dark in my bathroom and by the time I did notice my ankle was covered in blood and looked really bad.
I tried to apply some gauze and hold my ankle (this was like a very tiny scrape) and that did not help...so then I had to get out my first aid items and use some special material that stops bleeding in a minute or two.

So, I really do not want to make this issue worse.

I do eat mostly healthy foods and tons of fresh fruits and vegetables and do not consume much unhealthy drinks.
I have maybe 1 soft drink every few weeks and usually drink green tea made from the powdered leaves and with no sugar.
I also make my own iced tea and hardly ever buy drinks out.
The iced tea I make has no sugar either- it is Celestial Seasonings herbal fruit kinds- I just have that over ice.

free skin care · Sun Aug 18, 2013 4:01 pm

catski wrote:

panoslydios wrote:

Lets not pollute the thread of the OP that seeks answers with ... contradictions.

I fully agree. I asked for your data. I wish to support OttawaShopper as much as possible, is my reason, and your sweeping statements were presented very stridently as if you hold the definitive truth .. your definitive data behind your stridency would be appreciated

It is actually important that OttawaShopper gets the best input we can give here.

This is not about you or me, but about her, and giving the best assistance possible to somebody in distress.

I don't think my shoulders are tense.
I do some stretching a couple times a day and also use a tennis ball to get rid of some stifness in my back partly due to a shoulder injury and also from sleeping on a awful bed when I was away visiting family.

I don't really try to think about my jaw/face pain. I could be doing something like sleeping or typing or just out and it just distracts me by being a sharp pain that comes and goes.

So far I've been using Bactine spray as it has stuff that numbs your skin in it and it works ok.
But also I found Dermamed cream for Acne is very cooling and seems to reduce pain for an hour or two and makes my skin feel much cooler to the touch.
Usually my lower jaw and part of my neck on the one side seem to be much warmer than the rest of my face...and that is really strange.

free skin care · Mon Aug 19, 2013 12:44 am

Ottawa, if you go to the relevant practioners they will prescribe you the corrext antI inflammatories for you and make sure there are no deleterious effects.

Many foods are inflammatory that the uninformed consider healthy. I suggest a highly trained professional will know more about this than you and be able to help you.

If you find yourself falling into a "yes, but" frame of mind which in effect protects your problem from change, this is a red flag that tells you there is an issue here that needs uncovering.

free skin care · Mon Aug 19, 2013 12:47 am

Go to a TCM practitioner. They will not find the heat " really strange" whatsoever. They will see it as a sign of trapped heat and work to release the stagnant inflammation.

You will be advised to give up dairy.

Numbing creams are the equivalent of a bandaid on a broken leg.

free skin care · Mon Aug 19, 2013 12:54 am

Panos, you are really young and I appreciate your enthusiasm. As you gain more life experience I am sure you will gain even more wisdom and have a lot of genuine help to offer based on depth and enduring consideration. It is admirable that you want to help people. Offering realistic advice and respecting the sensibilities of others whilst offering alternative viewpoints can never be a bad thing.
An enormous amount of mature individuals will be repelled by sweeping condemnations and discount entire idea sets, based upon them being presented with inadequate data and in an immature absolutist tone.

free skin care · Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:21 pm

catski wrote:

Panos, you are really young and I appreciate your enthusiasm. As you gain more life experience I am sure you will gain even more wisdom and have a lot of genuine help to offer based on depth and enduring consideration. It is admirable that you want to help people. Offering realistic advice and respecting the sensibilities of others whilst offering alternative viewpoints can never be a bad thing.
An enormous amount of mature individuals will be repelled by sweeping condemnations and discount entire idea sets, based upon them being presented with inadequate data and in an immature absolutist tone.

I am going back to the derm next week, guess I'll see if he suggests anything else?

Also, I have seen a Reumatologist? located in a hospital and was told I could not take anti inflamatory medications or herbs.

I did try some Arnica homeopathic tablets for inflamation last year....and that was a BAD idea.

/maybe I'll try and see if my friends can reccomend a TCM.

free skin care · Wed Aug 21, 2013 2:04 pm

Ottawa Shopper wrote:

catski wrote:

Panos, you are really young and I appreciate your enthusiasm. As you gain more life experience I am sure you will gain even more wisdom and have a lot of genuine help to offer based on depth and enduring consideration. It is admirable that you want to help people. Offering realistic advice and respecting the sensibilities of others whilst offering alternative viewpoints can never be a bad thing.
An enormous amount of mature individuals will be repelled by sweeping condemnations and discount entire idea sets, based upon them being presented with inadequate data and in an immature absolutist tone.

I am going back to the derm next week, guess I'll see if he suggests anything else?

Also, I have seen a Reumatologist? located in a hospital and was told I could not take anti inflamatory medications or herbs.

I did try some Arnica homeopathic tablets for inflamation last year....and that was a BAD idea.

/maybe I'll try and see if my friends can reccomend a TCM.

I advise you do a 14-21 day orange juice fast-the cure to all diseases.

If you want the details please let me know.

Please let the blood do the job by creating more red blood cells and removing the poisons.

free skin care · Wed Aug 21, 2013 2:46 pm

Hi Ottawa shopper. I have had the same wretched problem. I found the pain extremely distracting and upsetting. I happened to mention it to my neurologist who was treating my migraines with Botox, and he said he could take care of it, and popped a bit of the botox into my masseters. Lo and behold, the pain died down to a whisper and disappeared. It seems I clench my jaw at night. I had done all the tmj stuff, mouth guards and acupuncture, and anything else I could think of even craniosacraltherapy (where someone lightly touched my head for an hour to influence the flow of my spinal fluid Rolling Eyes

- or lightly lift $200 from my wallet) to no avail. But Botox into that masseter, and it wasn't even a large amount has taken me from hell to the land of the living again. If I forget to go for Botox for ages, it will begin to creep back slightly, but nothing like before. I hope this is helpful. You can spend a LOT of money trying to get help for this. If your muscles are inflamed, there can be swelling, redness, heat, PAIN, and nothing else will show on X-rays (although I have severe tmj too with slipped discs).

I hope this helps and gives you something to try. It needn't be a huge treatment to begin. Even 10 units each side may help weaken the hyperactivity. And it's natural, too! No chemical Panos! Laughing

free skin care · Wed Aug 21, 2013 4:55 pm

Idealist, congratulations on getting relief! Do you think you will have botox injections in your jaw all your life, or is there a way to prevent the inflammation in the first place, by not having whatever the problem is that makes you grind your teeth so much?

Thankyou for sharing, its so useful.

free skin care · Wed Aug 21, 2013 7:09 pm

I would try to see a Neurologist if you can. Also, often if nerve pain is decreased via meds it will halt a cascading pathway of pain. I've had great results (for a snowboarding neck injury) with a short course of Neurontin. I do think you need diagnose the source of the pain before any treatment (botox, meds).

Hoping you are soon pain free!

free skin care · Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:21 am

I strongly agree about sourcing the root of the issue before deciding to dose with botox.

free skin care · Sat Aug 24, 2013 2:10 pm

Obviously you do your best to source the cause of the problem. Why would my neurologist give me botox on a whim? Also, imagining strong systemic medicines such as neurontin would be a first line before trying a localized tiny injection that actually does deal directly with the area in need rather than affecting your entire central nervous system is somewhat counter intuitive to me, but many people do not have a very good understanding of what Botox is, and the amazing breakthrough it has been for many medical conditions. In fact, many patients before Botox had become thoroughly unable to function on cocktails of meds like neurontin before Botox was discovered and enabled them to go medicine free.

However I don't expect everyone to know that. The kinds of meds I was using also were fairly strong and incapacitating before Botox in my jaw which has eliminated the pain enough for me to take no medication for it. And as I said it is a small dose with no side effects (very much unlike the medications like neurontin, please feel free to look that one up for the long list).

Jaw grinding or clenching is sometimes just an automatic thing that people do in their sleep. You can try acupuncture, relaxation techniques and spend thousands of dollars blaming yourself. even though I was not stressed (apart deom the pain) you havent got much to go on.

It may be related to neck injuries and busted discs I have, RA, or the fact that I have advanced TMJ with no discs to protect my mandible from rubbing (bone on bone). Either way I have muscle spasms in my jaw which can produce tightness and swelling which in turn put pressure on nerves and can be excruciating. Turning off the muscle hyperactivity whatever the reason it is there (which is what neurontin will do also, and many docs will push drugs first, and I have tried a lot - but the kind that deal with this kind of thing are not easily tolerated by all, and why put something through your whole system?) will many times relieve the pain. That's why my neurologist tried it on me. I recommend it far and above any drug, and I have tried the muscle relaxants and antidepressant with some pain relieving effects like neurontin with all intendent impact on quality of life.

I shared this info having gone through years of similar pain myself. Who knows, someone may be fast tracked to help! I spent thousands on mouth guards and all of the typical medical industry first line treatment. This worked for me and was the least invasive.

free skin care · Sat Aug 24, 2013 6:51 pm

A good chiropractor could also be of help.

free skin care · Sun Aug 25, 2013 1:41 am

Idealist wrote:

Hi Ottawa shopper. I have had the same wretched problem. I found the pain extremely distracting and upsetting. I happened to mention it to my neurologist who was treating my migraines with Botox, and he said he could take care of it, and popped a bit of the botox into my masseters. Lo and behold, the pain died down to a whisper and disappeared. It seems I clench my jaw at night. I had done all the tmj stuff, mouth guards and acupuncture, and anything else I could think of even craniosacraltherapy (where someone lightly touched my head for an hour to influence the flow of my spinal fluid Rolling Eyes

- or lightly lift $200 from my wallet) to no avail. But Botox into that masseter, and it wasn't even a large amount has taken me from hell to the land of the living again. If I forget to go for Botox for ages, it will begin to creep back slightly, but nothing like before. I hope this is helpful. You can spend a LOT of money trying to get help for this. If your muscles are inflamed, there can be swelling, redness, heat, PAIN, and nothing else will show on X-rays (although I have severe tmj too with slipped discs).

I hope this helps and gives you something to try. It needn't be a huge treatment to begin. Even 10 units each side may help weaken the hyperactivity. And it's natural, too! No chemical Panos! Laughing

That sounds like it would help me.
I do not have a neurologist to see, but when the derm did inject "tons" or cortisone on a couple of stubborn blemishes and some scarring- I was quite surprised to have almost no face pain for a few weeks afterwards.

But the past few days the same area was extremely painful and warm feeling.
I was out in the sun Tues (with tons of mineral sunscreen) for less than an hour, came home and it seems the same spot my skin had broken out is badly infected.

I was supposed to take some antibiotics for my sinuses until a day ago and it seems to have somewhat helped.

Hopefully the derm can suggest something so this does not keep happening again...

free skin care · Sun Aug 25, 2013 7:34 am

I can not speak to the infection part. Actually I don't really know what kind of infection you mean. Is it really bad acne? If so, the inflammation from that alone can generate swelling and pain, and yes, as cortisone brings down swelling, so will it decrease the pain. However if your facial pain is due to your infection botox will be no help. All it does is calm hyperactive muscle groups that may be swollen and pressing on your nerves. But your infection sounds like it needs to be properly treated before you try anything else. What does the derm say the infection is? Acne can be excruciating I have heard.

All the best!

free skin care · Sun Aug 25, 2013 7:42 am

Ok. I see your derm has been treating large acne cysts with cortisone. Those large infections will indeed cause all that jaw inflammation and pain Ottawa. I am wondering why you are saying your doctors don't know the cause of your pain. Cysts large enough to require cortisone would be extremely painful! Unfortunately cortisone can leave huge divots in the skin if too much cortisone is used. I looked like I had been shot in the upper back with a shotgun after I was treated for pain. Thankfully over a few years the thinned muscle tissue and skin grew back almost the same, so hopefully your jaw indent will recover.

I would work with your derm and follow his/her recommendations to her your acne cleared. It is a strange condition, but there is help

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