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Tue Jan 07, 2014 11:44 am  |
Can Tripollar be used on your eyelids?
I have naturally very saggy, droopy eyelids- cant stand them 
I know the instructions says to not use them on your eyelids but this is my main concern...
Plus does this device tighten the skin significantly? |
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Tue Jan 07, 2014 12:56 pm |
It is a subtle tightening...nothing drastic.
You can NOT use it directly on top of your eye, but you could use it right under your eyebrow.
I would personally recommend facial exercises over the Stop, and an upper bleph if that doesn't meet your needs. I really don't think the Stop will give you the results you want, and yes I do own one. |
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Wed Jan 08, 2014 2:13 am |
I agree with Bethany.
Please do not use the STOP on your eyelids - the heat might damage your eyes.
Brow lift exercises of this type helped me lift my hooded eyelids a little bit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHpGbdtDZ7U
(I prefer the Ageless exercise where you pinch a part of your brows between thumb and forefinger and frown against the resistance but basically, they do the same).
If you are not into "manual" facial exercises you might consider buying a Tua Trend or Tua Visa. |
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Wed Jan 08, 2014 4:30 am |
I am 2.5 weeks into treatments with the Tua Trend, and am seeing some slight lift...hoping for more as time passes!
However, I think if someone really has droopy eyelids, they should see if insurance will cover the lift due to eye strain, etc. |
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Wed Jan 08, 2014 12:07 pm |
For droopy eyelids, the upper eyelid exercise when used as part of a full face exercise program IMO gives the best upper eyelid lift. It is an exercise found in a lot of face exercise programs and as you can see below, there is a lift very much like a bleph in the eyes of the people who have done this exercise:
Flex Effect results:
 
This is a slide show and there is an Asian lady with an eyelid lift frome Face Aerobics: http://www.facelady.com/beforeafter.htm
Facercise results:
Eva Fraser results:
 
Carolyn's Facial Fitness results:
 
And IIRC, all those^^ programs have an upper eyelid exercise similar to Eva's, in addition to having some browlift exercise(s). So it is a combo of upper face exercises that will give this lift, not just one exercise, but I do believe this upper eyelid exercise is an essential part of that combo. |
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Wed Jan 08, 2014 1:26 pm |
| Chiqui65 wrote: |
I agree with Bethany.
Please do not use the STOP on your eyelids - the heat might damage your eyes.
Brow lift exercises of this type helped me lift my hooded eyelids a little bit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHpGbdtDZ7U
(I prefer the Ageless exercise where you pinch a part of your brows between thumb and forefinger and frown against the resistance but basically, they do the same).
If you are not into "manual" facial exercises you might consider buying a Tua Trend or Tua Visa. |
I watched the video. I do it differently. I place my fingers on the TOP of my eyebrows, above the orbicularis oculi and push DOWN with my fingers on the brow while at the same time pushing UP with my eyebrows and widening my eyes. I think it results in greater resistance and doesn't make the forehead wrinkle up so much. I use gloves with silicon grips on them for even greater resistance as I do for the rest of my face. |
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Wed Jan 08, 2014 4:04 pm |
Those results from the facial exercise look amazing and i have tried them in the past (on and off- not consistantly)...I always get a bit disappointed when the results dont start showing and feel like giving up...
Nonie i have read that u changed the shape of ur eyelids but it took u 10 years! |
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Wed Jan 08, 2014 4:59 pm |
| sally565 wrote: |
Those results from the facial exercise look amazing and i have tried them in the past (on and off- not consistantly)...I always get a bit disappointed when the results dont start showing and feel like giving up...
Nonie i have read that u changed the shape of ur eyelids but it took u 10 years! |
Hi sally565 I don't know if it took 10 years. I really don't know how long it took. I was not paying attention because that is not a change I was trying to make. I simply did face exercises as part of my regular regimen without looking for results. To me they were a long-term investment so I would not look too old later in life. I only realized a change had happened when in my 30's I read that face exercises do give eyes a lift so that they are not hooded. I then wondered if the exercises had had any effect on my eyes and sought out photos of myself back when I knew not of face exercises and discovered that indeed I used to have hooded eyes. TBH, because I was young with still plenty of tone in my eyes when I started face exercises, so I doubt it took that long. Just because I took notice of the change over ten years later(after that was brought to my attention) doesn't mean that's when the change occurred. I never even knew hooded eyelids were something that ran in my family until discussions about this came up on forums.
The models got their results within shorter and different time frames. The first image from Flex Effect shows a two weeks' change. The second one shows a 2 months' change.
I don't know how long between the Facercise results, and no idea how long the Eva Fraser results took to happen but the photo shows my eyes 13 years later.
Carolyn seems to have started having results sooner than 6 years if you look at her progress photos on her website and the last model from her program shows a year's progress.
So it doesn't have to take as long for you as it may have taken for others. But I don't understand what the hurry is for. I mean, you are trying to correct many years of doing nothing so why not expect it to take years to correct? Besides surgery, what other alternative do you have? Fussing over it won't make it happen sooner. Wouldn't just getting on with the exercises be a better way to spend this time than wasting it fretting about how long it may take? |
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Thu Jan 09, 2014 3:19 am |
Hey Tiptoedancer
I do that exercise too, but I think its different than the eye exercises, in that that one does have an effect on the eyes because it works the muscles called Frontalis that lifts the brows itself. I remember reading somewhere on a forum, and it was probably FlexEffect, that many times with hooded eyes, it can be as a result of the frontalis muscles slackening and gravity leaning down on the muscles of the brows and thus encouraging the upper lids to sag too.
That exercise you mention is in a few programs, and I was nervous about it at the start as it used to definitely wrinkle my forehead, until I read on EDS I think someone recommending that instead of using their fingers, they put their whole palm butt on the forehead to completely prevent any wrinkling at all. I tried that and wow it really worked better for me and I could feel the muscles having to work harder too as a result. I would also do the eye exercises though too – and I’m curious as to how your forehead wrinkled up when you did it that way – as it may be that you were engaging it perhaps?
| Tiptoedancer wrote: |
| I watched the video. I do it differently. I place my fingers on the TOP of my eyebrows, above the orbicularis oculi and push DOWN with my fingers on the brow while at the same time pushing UP with my eyebrows and widening my eyes. I think it results in greater resistance and doesn't make the forehead wrinkle up so much. I use gloves with silicon grips on them for even greater resistance as I do for the rest of my face. |
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Thu Jan 09, 2014 3:35 am |
| sally565 wrote: |
Those results from the facial exercise look amazing and i have tried them in the past (on and off- not consistantly)...I always get a bit disappointed when the results dont start showing and feel like giving up...
Nonie i have read that u changed the shape of ur eyelids but it took u 10 years! |
I don't see quick results from facial exercises in other areas but I got a slight eyelid lift within 6 weeks or so. It's not dramatic though and it does not get better and better; there is a certain limit (depending on the individual, I suppose).
From my experience, you only need to do the brow lift exercise alone (and not a whole exercise program); so it's only about 1 minute a day. You can still try; it's for free.  |
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Thu Jan 09, 2014 11:19 am |
For the last few hours or so, I have been debating on whether I should post my thoughts about the eyelid exercise or not; after all, I am no expert.  But then since people can choose to ignore me if they consider my ideas poppycock, I figured I would exercise my right of free "speech" and just share in case this might help someone.
As has been stated, there is a difference between the brow lift which involves the frontalis and glabellar muscles and the eyelid exercise which involves the orbicularis oculi. I can see how people may not distinguish between the two because methinks that when doing the upper eyelid lift exercise, some people probably press down with their eyebrows (engaging more than just eye muscles) instead of relaxing their forehead and just letting the eyelid fall down to the lower lid against the finger resistance so a stretch is felt in the upper eyelid.
Other subtleties that I think make a difference are where your eyes look when doing the eyelid exercise. Looking straight ahead as you close your eyes (Eva) instead of looking down (Carolyn) makes a difference. In fact, I think doing it Eva's way sort of includes the CFF "Eye Opener" exercise within the workout so you kill two birds with one stone.
Another thing that makes a difference is finger placement. Some programs ask that your fingers be held straight across/against the eyebrows, while Eva's fingers are curved so that even the crow's feet area is held in place.
Last but not least, if you raise the eyebrows too high with fingers to do the exercise, you end up having to raise the lower lid too in order to close your eyes. I think to achieve proper form, the finger lift should be slight and then the eyebrows should be pinned in place against the brow bone. If you then close the eyes to a count of five as you look straight in the mirror, you can ensure that the upper eyelid comes down to meet the lower lid and not the other way around. You can also ensure that the rest of your face (eg forehead) stays relaxed. Don't forget the squeeze after the eyes close, then while still maintaining the finger hold, release the eyelid squeeze and slowly open your eyes. The finger hold should stay in place until you have completed the exercise.
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While some people feel you only need one exercise, I disagree and think that this may be why their results appear to be limited. If you look at people like Deb Crowley and Carolyn Cleaves who don't do just one exercise for the eyes and who have had quite a few years of face exercises under their belt, you can see that their hooded eyelids have been completely removed so that it looks as if they never had them.
Compare Deb's upper eyelids at 34 with her eyes at 45. You can see there has been a lift. But IMO it isn't until years later that this lift is completely ironed in and made permanent. Her eyes in later years give no hint that she ever had eyes that showed hints of hooding. www.flexeffect.com/debpic.htm
One may argue that Deb's results are dramatic because, like me, she started her face exercises in her 20's so her eyes responded well because of muscle tone she still had. That is a good point except for the fact that these pronounced results also happen in older faces that do a comprehensive upper face workout.
Take look at Carolyn's eyes. When she was 50, they were completely hooded. At 53, which is when she started face exercises, hints of an eyelift were evident. At 59 the lift was more pronounced. www.carolynsfacialfitness.com/carolyn And now if you look at her eyes in The Firmer video, which was made when she was in her 60's, just like Deb's, her eyes show no hint of ever being hooded.
So IMO results don't have to be limited. Technique, a combo of exercises, dedication and patience can bring about a change that is far-removed from the hooded eyes you may be used to. JMHO. |
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Thu Jan 09, 2014 3:32 pm |
| TheresaMary wrote: |
Hey Tiptoedancer
I do that exercise too, but I think its different than the eye exercises, in that that one does have an effect on the eyes because it works the muscles called Frontalis that lifts the brows itself. I remember reading somewhere on a forum, and it was probably FlexEffect, that many times with hooded eyes, it can be as a result of the frontalis muscles slackening and gravity leaning down on the muscles of the brows and thus encouraging the upper lids to sag too.
That exercise you mention is in a few programs, and I was nervous about it at the start as it used to definitely wrinkle my forehead, until I read on EDS I think someone recommending that instead of using their fingers, they put their whole palm butt on the forehead to completely prevent any wrinkling at all. I tried that and wow it really worked better for me and I could feel the muscles having to work harder too as a result. I would also do the eye exercises though too – and I’m curious as to how your forehead wrinkled up when you did it that way – as it may be that you were engaging it perhaps?
| Tiptoedancer wrote: |
| I watched the video. I do it differently. I place my fingers on the TOP of my eyebrows, above the orbicularis oculi and push DOWN with my fingers on the brow while at the same time pushing UP with my eyebrows and widening my eyes. I think it results in greater resistance and doesn't make the forehead wrinkle up so much. I use gloves with silicon grips on them for even greater resistance as I do for the rest of my face. |
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Well, because I'm pushing down while at the same time resisting with an very wide open eye, my forehead doesn't wrinkle. I use gloves that have silicon grips on the fingers and it gives me greater resistance. My fingers don't slip on my skin. (I don't have any moisturizer on my skin during this). I've kinda spent much of my life trying not to wrinkle up my forehead by lifting my brows and by golly, my forehead isn't wrinkled.
After I do the brow exercise I place my fingers tips along the lash line of each closed eye, from the inner eye near the tear duct to the lash of outer eye and while using the muscles to close my eyelids I push up with my fingertips in the lash line in an effort to try to open my eyes. Resistance, resistance, resistance without wrinkling my skin (if possible). That's my mantra.
To be honest, I don't do much of the facial exercises in the books. I came up with some my own stuff. It's similar but different if that makes sense. When I was an art student we had to draw the facial muscles and understand what they did when in motion. I learned a lot about facial anatomy from that class....and had fun too. (We had a live nude model a few times too. This guy from the football team who had a killer body.) Sigh. |
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