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Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:53 pm  |
| There is an article in the New York Post that the FTC (Federal Trade Commission) is suing the manufacturer of strivectin for making false claims. The supposed doctor who backed the results is actually a psychologist. Basic is the actual name of the manufacturer of strivectin. Klein Becker is just one of the many names the company markets under. Not to say that I agree with the FTC but the topic arose about that peptide in another thread about collagen synthesis and collagen absorption. The article is based on the claims that strivectin makes and how they are unfounded. The peptide in strivectin and the percentage used is what I consider to be the main problem among other things. If anyone would like to read the article I will post it. Otherwise it is in the Feb 13 edition. |
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Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:57 pm |
| Ian please post the article. |
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Mon Feb 28, 2005 5:50 pm |
 oh no!! Say it ain't so! Have I been a victim of the placebo effect?! Ian, please do link us to this article - many thanks,
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Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:06 pm |
What a curious thing! I cannot seem to track down the aforementioned article. I did a search of the NYPost archives and came up with nothing, yet I can find several online associations to an article called "The Miracle Lure" unfortunately the links don't work....I am so curious to find out more!
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Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:13 pm |
I have the article in the office. First thing tomorrow I will post it.
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| Ian please post the article. |
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Tue Mar 01, 2005 4:48 am |
Pudoodles don't fret.
I seem to be experiencing the placebo effect on just my left cheek and left hand (a 2 week experiment). How's that for mind over matter!
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Tue Mar 01, 2005 6:03 am |
| Molly wrote: |
Pudoodles don't fret.
I seem to be experiencing the placebo effect on just my left cheek and left hand (a 2 week experiment). How's that for mind over matter!
M |
 Haven't really followed this but as you say not to fret, there are probably other useful ingredients in there helping your hand and cheek  |
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Tue Mar 01, 2005 11:35 am |
By Monica McCollum
For 12 years, Basic Research has promised its customers miracles: Rub a gel on your belly and your fat will go away or take a pill and you'll shed the pounds.
The private company built an empire on vanity, moving an estimated $300 Million Dollars worth of products last year, including diet pill Zantrex-3 and the Nation's best selling anti-aging treatment, Strivectin-SD.
But the promises were lies the feds allege.
Basic, which operates under at least six different corporate names, publishes misleading advertising, makes false claims and uses the testimony of a "doctor" whose degree is in psychology. Experts doubt m ost of the products even work.
The federal trade commission is taking the Utah based company to court next month, hoping to force basic to change all it's packaging and advertising. It could be a devestating blow to a company that pledges eternal youth and fitness.
The Government hjas had its eye on Basic for some time. LastJune, a Congressional Subcommittee held an information hearing on weight loss products aimed at children, one of which, PediaLean, is produced by Basic.
The conclusion that I am coming to from what I have heard so far is that any scam artist who wants to get rich quick...can go to a phony laboratory, give a screwball list of ingredients that are not proven to do a darn thing, put it in a pill and make a mint," said former Rep. Jim Greenwood (R-PA) after the hearing.
Despite criticism, Basic's products continued to do brisk business, at least partly because they were marketed under a variety of different corporate names. The FTC said Basic also operates as A.G. Waterhouse, Nutrasport, BAN and Sovage Dermalogic Laboratories.
For StriVectin, the company uses the name Klein-Becker.
Launched in 2003, Strivectin made a splash with its "Better than Botox?" ads in women's magazines like Redbook, saying the $135 face cream could erase wrinkles. Today, Strivectin is the best-selling premium wrinkle fighter, according to the NPD Group, earning more than $65 million for Basic last year.
StriVectin, like most of Basic's products, includes the endorsement of Daniel B. Mowrey, the company's director of scientific affairs. The FTC charges Mowrey with impersonating a medical doctor in promotional materials, since it doesn't explain the "Dr." is for Ph.D. in experimental psychology.
If the FTC wins, "it would cover any ad that represents that he [Mowrey] is a medical doctor. It covers any diet drug, any food, any service, so it goes well beyond any challenged product," said Reilly Dolan, the FTC's assistant director for endorcement overseeing the case. Company reps deny any wrongdoing.
"This is America. We really believe in our products and we are going to defend our position. Although we are not at liberty to discuss the merits of the case, I can say that we stand behind our advertising," said Theresa Nielsen, a company spokeswoman.
Experts say that Basic has succeeded by shrewdly marketing herbs and supplements on late-night TV advertising and the Net.
The ingredients in Basic's products can be as simple as caffeine, which speeds up the metabolism and (theoretically) induces weight loss. Basic also markets a product called Relacore that contains ingredients known to reduce stress. But the company claims by reducing stress, users will stop overeating.
Dermatologists, meanwhile, maintain that there is no topical cream that can work better than Botox, a compound that is injected into facial muscles to decrease their contraction and thereby the appearance of wrinkles.
But experts are split on whether the FTC's case will hurt Basic's sales.
"StriVectin struck a chord with people who are coming into the mindset of [look young] by any means necessary," said NPD Group's skincare industry analyst Karen Grant. "They don't care if it is being investigated. They just want it."
Basic Research made an estimated $300 million last year selling "miracle" diet and cosmetic products. But the Federal Trade Commission says its spokesman, Dr. Daniel Mowrey, is not a medical doctor- and most of the promises aren't true
This is the article word for word from the New York Post article. These are not our opinions or claims.
Ian S.
| Ian S. wrote: |
I have the article in the office. First thing tomorrow I will post it.
| kpka wrote: |
| Ian please post the article. |
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Tue Mar 01, 2005 2:26 pm |
Bryngirl, do you work for Janson Beckett, I was wondering why your message at the end of the mail links straight to their site.  |
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Tue Mar 01, 2005 2:39 pm |
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| Bryngirl, do you work for Janson Beckett, I was wondering why your message at the end of the mail links straight to their site. |
I hope not, otherwise she might appear a tad dodgy  |
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Wed Mar 02, 2005 2:24 am |
so from reading that, they are critising the advertising not the products exactly?
as for taking on diet pills good luck to them, most contain caffine the ones that do have an impact get taken off the market because people use them wrong or are overly sensitive to the ingredients. |
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Wed Mar 02, 2005 10:16 am |
OK, so now I've read the articles. "Big deal", I don't suspect that this kind of thing is new to any of us...Klein-Becker (or whomever) is one of umpteen number of cosmetic/ceutical companies that overzealously tout their claims...Let's face it -- I bet there are a number of people on this Forum alone who could systematically dismantle (based on claims) many different lines of skincare....
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Wed Mar 02, 2005 10:38 am |
I also think that yes good advertising may influence your first purchase of a product but come on, who buys something again if it does not work for them. I certainly dont.
I personally would think that it is the people that repurchase and show good results there by encouraging friends etc to purchase as well that are the backbone of these companies and keep them in business. |
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Wed Mar 02, 2005 12:15 pm |
| Cindi wrote: |
| Bryngirl, do you work for Janson Beckett, I was wondering why your message at the end of the mail links straight to their site. |
Sorry about that. No I don't work for them - I was an early user of AlphaDerma...but I got laid off and so I couldn't afford it. Fortunately, I just found a job...so I can start buying it again.
I was just trying to help out...I read so much stuff on here I wanted to give back. A friend helped me to find the articles I thought Ian S. was talking about...so I posted them, I was just trying to help.
The link was an accident. Previously after a late lunch with a friend - I was showing her the site and saying how good it is - and she was telling me I should add a profile link - she's more technology oriented. I added that link for fun...but forgot I had it in there. I'll eventually link to a my blog page...the same friend just showed me how to create one.
Unless that's not allowed? I'm sorry, I've been away from the forum for a while. Sorry again. |
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Wed Mar 02, 2005 12:25 pm |
bryngirl, thanks for posting back and quashing our suspicions!  |
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Wed Mar 02, 2005 12:26 pm |
bryngirl,
you have nothing to apologise for. I think we have been spammed so much lately we are all a bit paranoid. Don't take it personally. |
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Wed Mar 02, 2005 4:47 pm |
I know that I've addressed this before, but the entire tone of Ian's post really annoyed me.
There's an investigation going on - fine, let it proceed. I can't begin to tell you the number of investigations that I've been involved in that have led to absolutely nothing. The last time I checked, at least in the U.S., someone is assumed innocent until they are proven to be guilty. The fact that someone is under investigation is very, very preliminary....
I purchased StriVectin and the tube remains unused. I didn't like the way it smelled and I knew that there was just no way I was going to apply it 3 times a day, which is what the directions that accompany the product recommend. I say this because I really have absolutely no interest in defending them. On the other hand, they are a major competitor of Janson Beckett (whose products I DO use, and like, by the way), so I have to say that I don't think Ian's motivation was simply to provide all of us with information.
The ongoing investigation might conclude that the mother corporation, or Klein Becker, has exaggerated their claims in their ad campaigns. Shrugging... I can't think of any advertiser who doesn't hype their product.
An exaggerated advertisement might lead to someone buying a product ONCE - but it doesn't account for the volume of sales attached to this product. My own experience tells me that I would take the empirical results presented by somebody who uses the product over anything else. I think it's one of the reason that boards like this are so popular.
Ok. I'm done. Climbing down off my soapbox...... |
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Wed Mar 02, 2005 5:36 pm |
katee, you have just said exactly what was on my mind much more eloquently than I ever could! - totally agree with you It looks as though Ian's tone has rubbed a few people up the wrong way...  |
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