| Poll :: What works best for sagging and NLs in the lower face? |
| Retin-A |
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0% |
[ 0 ] |
| Safetox |
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0% |
[ 0 ] |
| Slendertone |
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0% |
[ 0 ] |
| Tua Trend/Viso |
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4% |
[ 1 ] |
| Facial exercises |
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41% |
[ 10 ] |
| Fillers |
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25% |
[ 6 ] |
| Other (please post a comment to explain) |
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29% |
[ 7 ] |
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| Total Votes : 24 |
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Sat May 22, 2010 9:15 am  |
| One of my big skin issues, is sagging in the lower face, plus increasingly visible nasolabial lines. I'd like to get your opinions on what works! |
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Sat May 22, 2010 9:25 am |
Well everyone's facial anatomy is different so what might work for one person may not work for another.
Some people can get by with topicals and facial exercises, others may require peels or fillers and in more extreme cases some type of facelift may be required. |
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Sat May 22, 2010 9:58 am |
Shortcut: fillers, HA, but I had my own fat cells injected. Works much better on the long run.
I don't know if exercise and the other things really work, but I don't have the patience. |
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Sat May 22, 2010 12:00 pm |
While I am huge fan of Safetox, I voted for facial exercise because I think you can customize the regime to best meet your needs and actually resolve the problem of your face folding inwards. Plus it's cheaper to some degree (depending on which program you pick). But if you have concerns about "handling" your skin aggressively and won't actually do the exercises (like me), Safetox is a better option in that case and accomplishes much of the same results.
Regarding your other options:
- Retin A will not really help much with sagging, though anyone interested in anti-aging should be using it or a 1% retinol.
- Fillers mask the sagging problem (vs. really solving the problem) and require ongoing $$$. I was never 100% happy with the look of fillers in my MLs. But over time as your face continues to slide inward, you'll keep adding more filler and you'll end up looking bloated/puffy like many of the older celebs these days. |
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Sat May 22, 2010 1:17 pm |
I second Bethany's response as another Safetox lover and believer in facial exercises. Safetox works wonders for my forehead and lift of my eyes but facial exercises go after the the lower face issues for a natural lift that erases the aging look of sag. I am not against using fillers although I have never tried them, but as long as facial exercises are giving me success I am sticking with them. It is true that there are different face shapes and skin types, but coming from a thicker skin gal(that had some sag) in her 50's I am finding facial exercises truly tightened things up in only 12 minutes a day, five days a week.... very little commitment for a wonderful result.  |
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female,"50 something" medium to thick normal skin, no wrinkles,Lightstim,Easy Eye Solutions,Green Smoothies,Ageless Secret Gold, Pico Toner,Beautiful Image |
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Sat May 22, 2010 1:54 pm |
i voted for 'other' cause i believe that diet is the primary anti-aging/regenerative tool.
second for me would be facial manipulation ..including exercises,massage, accupressure points,and pressure on the facial skeletal structure in hopes of alleviating facial bone loss which i believe causes sag as well as loss of muscles and tissue elasticity.
i'm also interested in the build up of teeth as a way of rejuvenating the face... instead of plastic surgery ...(apparently one of the ways aging celebrates retain their youth is to build up the structure of their teeth..and i've seen photos of 'regular' people who have remarkable rejuvenation in their lower face through cosmetic dental work.) |
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71 years, primarily raw living food 35 years(vegan 45 years) herbal tea decoctions, homeopathy, TCM, facial massage, facial exercises, vacu-lifting, gua aha, shiatsu/acupressure, intention, home microcurrrent |
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Sat May 22, 2010 4:03 pm |
I'm assuming you're over 40 if you have facial sag and n/l folds, though you could be younger. I started to have problems just a year ago.
*You could use bioidentical hormones to get the estrogen receptors in your skin to "re-enenergize" and tighten your skin, then combine it with Tua Viso/Tua Trend, Retin-A, Copper Peptides & LED facials+ high UVA European sunscreen (Bioderma, Avene etc) to reverse sun damage etc.
*You could have a facelift
*I don't know about facial filler/Botox having not tried them
*Diets like Perricone are helpful but will not arrest facial sagging. I've done Perricone since 2002 and use synthethic estrogen (the pill) to manage the peri thing (works for me!!) and my face needed a boost so I started using the Tua Viso which has helped a lot. Will my face hold up the next ten years? I'll deal with that when I get there. In the meantime, a multi pronged approach is working well for me.
*Using lots of good antioxidants both topically and internally (vitamin C, tomato paste, Alpha Lipoic Acid) is helpful and will help to slow down the aging process. |
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Sun May 23, 2010 1:51 am |
Jasminrosey,
It is interesting, you mentioned the teeth. There was an article in Daily Mail about a little plastic gadget that may strenghten the teeth an jaws in order to tighten the face.You have to wear it for about 20 minutes daily. I am sure it popped up on this forum. |
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44, light, sensitive skin that cannot tolerate actives, Ageless if you Dare, Tanaka massage, drybrushing, OCM, dermarolling for stretchmarks, tons of supplements for better skin. |
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Sun May 23, 2010 2:22 am |
I think a lot of us should look at genetics (whether we like it or not) to see how our predecessors have aged -- particularly our mothers. We can then attempt to deal with our respective "gene pools" to determine our line of defense.
ETA: So, I guess at the moment I'm voting "other." However,I believe to target "sagging" in the lower face, one would probably need to engage the services of a plastic surgeon. Lotions and potions might have a temporary"lifting" effect, but at my age, I would appreciate and welcome something with a more permanent effect. |
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50 Is definitely NOT nifty!! |
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Sun May 23, 2010 4:35 am |
| My parents look less saggy actually. They are both somehow bigger than me. I lost 8-9 kilos 1,5 years ago, and that does not help your lower face. But I hate not being very skinny. |
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44, light, sensitive skin that cannot tolerate actives, Ageless if you Dare, Tanaka massage, drybrushing, OCM, dermarolling for stretchmarks, tons of supplements for better skin. |
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Sun May 23, 2010 4:54 am |
My mother is 80 and my father is eighty three and neither has any sag and very little wrinkling.....but they are heavier. My mother has a beautiful padded face that honestly looks thirty years younger than her age but her weight is thirty pounds more than it should be. She has cholesterol and high blood pressure problems as a result. I don't have the wrinkling problem but sag is my fight. I am very slim but if I were heavier the fat would probably go to the lower part of my body  It is a shame we can't pick and choose where our body fat is located naturally....if we hang around long enough there will probably be some kind of device to program that ....on our cell phone, no less!!!!!!  |
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female,"50 something" medium to thick normal skin, no wrinkles,Lightstim,Easy Eye Solutions,Green Smoothies,Ageless Secret Gold, Pico Toner,Beautiful Image |
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Sun May 23, 2010 8:41 am |
This is the address of the page where i found this info on building up the teeth instead of plastic surgery...but other sources can be found by googling the topic
http://dentistry.about.com/od/cosmeticdentistry/a/smileboston.htm
"..lips and cheeks have the tendency to sag with time. Over the years, teeth are naturally worn down and become shorter while the elasticity of the lips begins to deteriorate. This causes the teeth to become shorter and the upper lip to cover over the teeth. Building up the jaw bone and/or elongating the teeth removes wrinkles and revitalizes that youthful look creating the illusion of a facelift while strengthening the bone for years.
Dental Implants Instead of Plastic Surgery
As individuals have the desire to change their look and would tend to seek the assistance of the plastic surgeon, dental options may be a better alternative. Reshaping or replacing teeth could eliminate the need for many facets of facial surgery." |
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71 years, primarily raw living food 35 years(vegan 45 years) herbal tea decoctions, homeopathy, TCM, facial massage, facial exercises, vacu-lifting, gua aha, shiatsu/acupressure, intention, home microcurrrent |
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Sun May 23, 2010 11:23 am |
Thanks for all the suggestions so far. I'm leaning towards the facial exercises (Toby's update in the facial exercises thread is very encouraging!). Just hope I have the patience and time to stick with it.
Surgery is not something I want to consider at this point. I don't think my problem is that bad yet (plus, I'm a big chicken!). I might consider some fillers in the NLs, but will probably try the facial exercises first.
I already use retin-a .05 almost daily, plus DIY C, and while those help my skin in other ways, they don't help the sagging. I've tried CPs without any results.
I'll look more into the dental aspect, although I'm not sure that applies for me since my teeth are in good shape and very straight. I was intrigued by the Angel Lift thingys a while back, but it seems like no one had very good results. In general my diet is pretty good, lots of fish, nuts, veggies and fruit. My downside is sweets, but with summer coming up, I usually increase the fruit and decrease the cookies |
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Sun May 23, 2010 3:52 pm |
| Sycamore wrote: |
Jasminrosey,
It is interesting, you mentioned the teeth. There was an article in Daily Mail about a little plastic gadget that may strenghten the teeth an jaws in order to tighten the face.You have to wear it for about 20 minutes daily. I am sure it popped up on this forum. |
I do not think I wouldput something in to shape my teeth unless it was prescribed by a dentist.
You could actually do more damage,maybe?
I'm not a dental expert-but a family friend is a Harvard trained teaching dentist.
When I see her I will try and ask and see what she says...
But then again they do sell mouthguards for sports and those are supposed to be ok for you? |
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Sun May 23, 2010 4:22 pm |
| Ottawa Shopper wrote: |
| Sycamore wrote: |
Jasminrosey,
It is interesting, you mentioned the teeth. There was an article in Daily Mail about a little plastic gadget that may strenghten the teeth an jaws in order to tighten the face.You have to wear it for about 20 minutes daily. I am sure it popped up on this forum. |
I do not think I wouldput something in to shape my teeth unless it was prescribed by a dentist.
You could actually do more damage,maybe?
I'm not a dental expert-but a family friend is a Harvard trained teaching dentist.
When I see her I will try and ask and see what she says...
But then again they do sell mouthguards for sports and those are supposed to be ok for you? |
Sycamore - do you think the Daily Mail was referring to the Angellift? That was mentioned in a couple of other threads, including: http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?p=522288&highlight=angellift#522288 |
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Sun May 23, 2010 11:15 pm |
I do wear a retainer(s) for TMJ problem and it is supposed to widen my jaw a bit. I have two, one for night time and one for day time. I have all my teeth though. I don't know if this would be another reason why I don't have lines around my mouth, nor laugh lines, although I had fat cells injections for my nasolabial folds a year ago, prior to my retainers and I shave!!!  |
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Mon May 24, 2010 1:44 am |
Jasminerosey,
Maybe it is the same, or similar thing but it is called oralift, here is the article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/beauty/article-1217316/Can-little-bit-plastic-make-look-years-younger.html
The same concept here: deformed teeth do not hold the face so you get the sag. It is just not that invasive as a total dental work. IMO if your teeth are all right they are not to be messed around with for cosmetic purpose. |
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44, light, sensitive skin that cannot tolerate actives, Ageless if you Dare, Tanaka massage, drybrushing, OCM, dermarolling for stretchmarks, tons of supplements for better skin. |
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Mon May 24, 2010 7:06 am |
Sycamore, yeah, i feel your right about not messing with teeth that are functioning well for cosmetic purposes...but i sometimes 'dream' of these procedures..the same way i sometimes 'dream' of a facelift ...which i know i won't do for the same basic reason (and other reasons as well which are more esoteric)
...not to say it isn't right for others to do these procedures. |
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71 years, primarily raw living food 35 years(vegan 45 years) herbal tea decoctions, homeopathy, TCM, facial massage, facial exercises, vacu-lifting, gua aha, shiatsu/acupressure, intention, home microcurrrent |
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Mon May 24, 2010 8:22 am |
After reading about this stuff I was actually walking around with wooden spoons between my teeth , but they did not lift my face.
As for plastic surgery I am totally fine with it, it is affordable in my country (guess about one third of the US or UK prices), very good surgeons around, but what if your face gets messed up? I could not forgive myself ruining my face. |
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44, light, sensitive skin that cannot tolerate actives, Ageless if you Dare, Tanaka massage, drybrushing, OCM, dermarolling for stretchmarks, tons of supplements for better skin. |
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Mon Oct 24, 2011 4:53 pm |
I recently had a Thermage treatment 9/01 to be exact and three wks later I started using a DPL Nuve (I know NOT the most favorite of EDS posters). After adding Skinbiology Super Copper Serum, I have noticed a big improvement in my marionette lines, lip wrinkles and jowliness.
I also started using Angellift Dermastrips about 1 1/2 wks ago, and I have to admit they are helping, too.
I read that other people weren't too thrilled with the Angellifts, but I'm very happy so far. I soak mine overnite in about 1/3 cup of water that I steep a Green Tea bag in and add a Vitamin C tablet to (after it's cooled a little) in a glass Pyrex measuring cup that helps the Angellifts to keep a nice curve. I think it's that curve sticking outward that helps to smooth out the lines and wrinkles, that's how it seems to work on me anyway. And I use mine for a couple of hours each day, soaking in between uses. |
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Tue Oct 25, 2011 5:00 am |
| jasminerosey wrote: |
This is the address of the page where i found this info on building up the teeth instead of plastic surgery...but other sources can be found by googling the topic
http://dentistry.about.com/od/cosmeticdentistry/a/smileboston.htm
"..lips and cheeks have the tendency to sag with time. Over the years, teeth are naturally worn down and become shorter while the elasticity of the lips begins to deteriorate. This causes the teeth to become shorter and the upper lip to cover over the teeth. Building up the jaw bone and/or elongating the teeth removes wrinkles and revitalizes that youthful look creating the illusion of a facelift while strengthening the bone for years.
Dental Implants Instead of Plastic Surgery
As individuals have the desire to change their look and would tend to seek the assistance of the plastic surgeon, dental options may be a better alternative. Reshaping or replacing teeth could eliminate the need for many facets of facial surgery." |
While I would hope to avoid having to replace or reshape my teeth, its funny that you mention that... I just had to have a root canal and was kind of freaked out. The dentist didn't think it was a big deal and thought I had freaked out because of the pain, but wasn't scared of the pain... I was worried about the aesthetic impact of the procedure on my jaw line. |
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Tue Oct 25, 2011 9:41 pm |
| The Tripollar STOP has worked best for this area on me, I know there are mixed opinions on the device but it has given me the best results out of nearly everything. I will also add though that fillers will definitely solve this issue but there are sometimes less pleasing aesthetic side affects. |
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Sat Apr 11, 2015 3:21 pm |
| I am so glad I have found this posts. Very great information. For years I have been trying to figure out how to shorten my lower face and reading this posts has brought me to the light at the end of the tunnel. lol jasminerosey You have said some intriguing information that I also had figured that our teeth may have a link to the shape structure of our face. Interesting. Have you heard about oral myotherapy? |
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Thu Apr 16, 2015 4:14 pm |
| People who want fuller lips can often do that more naturally and permanently, if they have crooked or small teeth, by getting bonding or veneers. |
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