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fabledbeauty
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Fri May 01, 2015 3:48 am  |
| I am African descent and have known that we have fewer wrinkles in general than white people due to the melanin that protects us from photoaging. I was wondering why pale people who use sunscreen regularly still have more wrinkles and look older on average than dark skinned people. My roommate is very white skinned and sunscreen is her religion but she still has wrinkles around her eyes and everyone thinks she's older than me. Is natural melanin the same as SPF? |
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fabledbeauty
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Fri May 01, 2015 3:49 am |
| I'm 25 she's 20 |
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Fri May 01, 2015 5:03 am |
Not all have wrinkles, and there are some great examples out there of white folk who don't look bad for their ages. Look at Lauren Hutton, Jane Fonda and Barbara Streisand for example.
Also Eva Fraser, Deborah Crowley and Carolyn Cleaves who all advocate facial exercises too.
Now sun damage isn't the only cause of wrinkles. It can also be to lack of water for example I have heard. I know when my hubby was ill he didn't drink a lot of water and then went to hospital and was made to drink water regularly and he lost 10 years within a week of following that. He was probably severely dehydrated. |
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Fri May 01, 2015 5:36 am |
I think that being prone to wrinkles is as much a genetic component as a environmental or biological one. But I don't think that it's really wrinkles that make people look older. I mean, discounting really severe ones.
I am not prone to wrinkles and my family in general is not.
I think that sagging and the loss of subcutaneous fat is really what changes a persons appearance and makes them look older. And if you look around here you will find that to be most peoples concern.
Thicker skin is helpful. I have thicker skin. But I really see no signs that the average man really ages better and they have thicker skin. They usually show more advanced signs of aging earlier than women (or would be on a woman's face) but flawlessness is not expected for a mans face and is acceptable.
Someone as young as 20 should not be showing wrinkles from aging yet unless they spend excessive time in the sun.
They are probably dehydrated as TheresaMary suggests.. |
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Fri May 01, 2015 8:05 am |
At 25 and 20 years old, you can't really pin it down to sunscreen yet. Plus just because someone uses sunscreen does not mean they use it correctly. Did they use the right amount? Did they re-apply when needed, did they use an inferior sunscreen?
Mens skin is thicker and as a whole they will show wrinkles less quickly that woman. Of course there are exceptions.
Jane Fonda and Barbara Streisand are bad examples of aging well naturally. Dailymail just had a piece on those 2 about all the work they had done and what it cost them. |
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Fri May 01, 2015 2:59 pm |
Seeing as people die before they attain any meaningful age - my answer is no, hardly anyone ages well, regadless of skin color. Someone in their 70s with all the nips and tucks and gets on without a walker? Is this what passes for 'aging well' these days? Makes me laugh, bitterly!
Although, a friend of mine is 96 and looks good, could almost be mistaken for someone in their 70s, but she's a very rare exception. Very sensible. I would be hard pressed to find any more examples, certainly no celebrities besides someone like Christoper Lee who has certainly managed to live and age well. Others - lots "dental work". Not that I would hold it against anyone to get a little help, but that just fixes the surface, doesn't mean they'll live longer and age well just because their eyebrows are higher and chins are tighter.
OP, I have to agree with Pandax12, just because someone puts sunscreen on their skin doesn't mean they use a good one and in sufficient quantities. Plus, internal stuff, like nutrition, sleep, exercise, stress levels and stuff like that matter also. |
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Fri May 01, 2015 11:06 pm |
They are not bad examples - they just have opted for assistance and look great for it and that article only speculates what they may have had done - but then you got to consider the other examples like Eva, Deborah and Carolyn too who are Aging well
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Jane Fonda and Barbara Streisand are bad examples of aging well naturally. Dailymail just had a piece on those 2 about all the work they had done and what it cost them. |
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Sat May 02, 2015 2:53 am |
When it comes to famous people it's difficult to know who to pinpoint as aging well when they have every procedure accessible and available to them.
Even so, some might be described as not aging well when they overdo it. There are people like Jennifer Anniston (late 40's) and Juliane Moore (50's) that definitely know how to maintain their looks wisely and look very natural.
I had a reunion with a cousin I hadn't seen in many years that is in her late 60's. Her appearance was something I'd rarely describe even for the rich and famous at that age. She was beautiful. And I mean for any age she was beautiful.
She claimed not to have had any surgery but I don't know. I'm going to pick her brain. It wasn't just the lack of discernible wrinkles and sag but her skin was radiant and just glowed. Along with whatever else she's done to manage looking this good I'm guessing a few peels had something to do with that glow. She has her own saloon.
My mother-in-law is 91 and has some really nice skin. She does have some sagging but no discernible wrinkles and I'm pretty sure at this point that she does nothing special to achieve that. When she fixes up to go out she is still really quite striking. It probably helps that she still does everything that she could ever do. She still goes shopping,walks her dog, does volunteer work, gardens, cleans the house..whatever strikes her fancy.
So in the end it's not going to be just about how you look but how you can still live your life. Being vital is really the most important thing. |
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Sat May 02, 2015 3:11 pm |
| TheresaMary wrote: |
Not all have wrinkles, and there are some great examples out there of white folk who don't look bad for their ages. Look at Lauren Hutton, Jane Fonda and Barbara Streisand for example.
Also Eva Fraser, Deborah Crowley and Carolyn Cleaves who all advocate facial exercises too.
Now sun damage isn't the only cause of wrinkles. It can also be to lack of water for example I have heard. I know when my hubby was ill he didn't drink a lot of water and then went to hospital and was made to drink water regularly and he lost 10 years within a week of following that. He was probably severely dehydrated. |
I need to drink more water |
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Sat May 02, 2015 5:47 pm |
I think I read that people of African descent, in addition to having more melanin than whites, also have differences in their collagen which makes them less prone to wrinkling but more susceptible to keloid scarring.
I agree with tigerlily009 in that subcutaneous fat loss and sagging are what really ages a person's appearance. From what I've seen, most African Americans age better in that regard also.
Look up Ernestine Shepherd if you want an inspirational example of an African American woman who has aged really well (though being so young you may not realize just how good she looks for someone her age). Just don't follow her example of consuming so many egg whites until you are her age; excessive protein intake is not good for young people. |
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Mon May 11, 2015 9:25 pm |
Oleda Baker is 80 and only had an eyelift when she was 39 so she could extend her modeling career. A great example of how well you can look at that age BUT she started when she was in her teens by wearing sunscreen, hats and covering up. She has also done facial exercises since she was young. Also taking vitamins, hormones, exercising. Order her latest book about aging and check out her website for inexpensive products. Most people are not willing to do all the work that she has done for decades.
http://www.oleda.com/ |
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Sun May 17, 2015 6:22 pm |
It is true we white people have thinner skin normally and i think that is the reason why many white people age worst.
But there are white people who age very well too, my grandma is 94 and look 60,she has very white skin and blue eyes, she have no wrinkles at all and almost any sag in her face, and she never have had any plastic surgery, just used rose tónic and a cream call bella Aurora all her life.
She was mistaken as my aunt Sister the other day. |
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Thu Nov 19, 2015 5:51 pm |
| YES re Oleda. Inspirational. She admits she uses HRT though. I really wish all the facial exercise sellers would provide that information, as it seems to make quite a difference. |
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Fri Nov 20, 2015 5:40 am |
I agree with you that I wish they would be more open about using HRT as it does in my opinion make a huge different.
| Needl wrote: |
| YES re Oleda. Inspirational. She admits she uses HRT though. I really wish all the facial exercise sellers would provide that information, as it seems to make quite a difference. |
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Tue Dec 15, 2015 12:45 pm |
| From the persons I met, I agree that white people age faster. I have a co-worker, she is about 25,26 years old. the triangle area around her nose has deep lines which makes her look a lot older than her age. |
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Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:14 am |
I can see how you might arrive at that conclusion, but its like saying all women are xyz. There are always exceptions to the rule with anything and I don't see why white people and aging would be any different.
| valmontfan1984 wrote: |
| From the persons I met, I agree that white people age faster. I have a co-worker, she is about 25,26 years old. the triangle area around her nose has deep lines which makes her look a lot older than her age. |
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