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Mon Jan 15, 2007 7:54 pm  |
| OK, so over at the Ice Elements forum I read that the IE folks have sourced a "cruelty-free" emu oil that is obtained from the emu, painlessly, while the bird is still alive. I was under the impression that Emu oil was ground/melted Emu fat, so to my way of thinking, it would have to come from a dead emu, which is why as a vegetarian I've always avoided emu oil like the plague. So, can anyone tell me what they could possibly mean at IE by "cruelty-free emu oil"??? |
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Mon Jan 15, 2007 8:02 pm |
I've never heard of this...I always thought that they got Emu after the bird was killed.
While I can't bring myself to use emu (I'm a meat-eater, the concept just kind of grosses me out..)...it would be great if there were a cruelty-free version...I've seen Emu oil sold on website where they claim cruelty-free products, but never that the oil itself was cruelty-free.
http://www.myherbalwonders.com/pure-emu-oil.html |
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Mon Jan 15, 2007 8:09 pm |
| manslayerliz wrote: |
| OK, so over at the Ice Elements forum I read that the IE folks have sourced a "cruelty-free" emu oil that is obtained from the emu, painlessly, while the bird is still alive. I was under the impression that Emu oil was ground/melted Emu fat, so to my way of thinking, it would have to come from a dead emu, which is why as a vegetarian I've always avoided emu oil like the plague. So, can anyone tell me what they could possibly mean at IE by "cruelty-free emu oil"??? |
I've heard this term before in relation to emu oil. If I remember correctly, it is the fact that the emu bird was not killed for the oil; it was raised and killed for the meat. The production of the oil is just a by-product.
Basically, splitting hairs.  |
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Mon Jan 15, 2007 8:10 pm |
Wow...I wonder if that means "non cruelty-free" emu oil was killed just for the oil?
That's not cool... |
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Mon Jan 15, 2007 8:12 pm |
| Ugh, whether the bird is killed just for its oil or killed for its meat too, I'm not cool with it. I'm also not cool with the IE people telling their customers that no Emus were harmed in getting the Emu oil--- either the IE people are outright lying to their customers, or someone has been lying to the IE people. Either way, it's a problem IMO. |
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Mon Jan 15, 2007 8:14 pm |
| ParisTroika wrote: |
Wow...I wonder if that means "non cruelty-free" emu oil was killed just for the oil?
That's not cool... |
From what I've read, emu are raised for the meat, not the oil. If cruelty-free means that it wasn't killed for the oil, then I think that all emu oil can be considered "cruelty-free". I just think that emu oil suppliers don't use the term, because it raises a lot of questions... like my first thought, that they must perform lipsuction on the emus.  |
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Mon Jan 15, 2007 8:17 pm |
Here's what Shelly says at IE:
Thank you for the question. It is important to us as a company that we do not cause any cruelty to animals so we do investigate the source of our ingredients.
It is true that Emu comes from the Emu bird. The bird produces a natural oil which is full of essential fatty acids. Prior to contracting with a lab to produce this product for us, we investigated the source of the component materials and selected them very carefully. We were in contact with the Emu council and verified a source who does sell Emu oil which is only processed from the Emu while it is live and not sedated or harmed in any manner. This does not cause the bird any pain or distress in any manner.
Can anyone explain this to me??  |
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Mon Jan 15, 2007 8:24 pm |
Can she share her source? Probably wishful thinking. I mean...this is important to a lot of people.
I don't see how you can take the fat off of an emu without causing it distress...and if there IS a truly cruelty-free source...where are they?
I'd think it would be a HUGE selling point for their oil.
And what is the Emu Council? I'm picturing Emus sitting around a large round table... |
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Mon Jan 15, 2007 9:45 pm |
| ParisTroika wrote: |
And what is the Emu Council? I'm picturing Emus sitting around a large round table... |
probably get more sense out of them than politicians. |
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Mon Jan 15, 2007 10:23 pm |
The only thing that would make sense is EMU Liposuction   |
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Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:11 pm |
| manslayerliz wrote: |
is only processed from the Emu while it is live and not sedated or harmed in any manner. This does not cause the bird any pain or distress in any manner.
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That is the strangest thing I've ever heard. How could it be possible to remove fat from a living animal without causing it pain or distress? The thought of this really disturbs me. |
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Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:25 am |
I thought the oil was extracted from a fat pouch on the back of the emu, so for it to be taken painlessly whilst the emu is alive I can only imagine they would have to drain it some how, ie syringe extraction(?).
Personally I cannot for the life of me imagine why anyone would want to put that on their face anyway, but that's just my opinion. |
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Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:52 am |
Sorry, this is ridiculous, and simply impossible (for me) to believe.
That any emu farmer would go to the trouble of "harvesting" and reducing fat from a bird whose major product is its slaughtered meat... that farmer will simply not make a profit. Which is, after all, why he farms. What would be his point? To make cruelty-free emu oil? Piffle. Emu oil has a fine and wide audience, without trying for the vegetarian or PETA crowd.
Perhaps they also harvest skin from cows to make leather, and then regraft the section? Cruelty-free leather. Imagine that. Since cows are killed primarily for their beef...
Animals are killed. Period.
To suggest emu fat is harvested without the emu being harvested is like suggesting deer antlers are collected to put on cabin walls, without ever harming the deer.
Sure. Tell me another one. |
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Tue Jan 16, 2007 5:48 pm |
| Isn't cruelty free Emu oil like me hoping that rabbit jackets are made from jackets who have been gently brushed whilst listening to Radio 4..?! |
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Tue Jan 16, 2007 10:16 pm |
"Cruelty free" animal products seems an oxymoron to me.
I'm a long term vegetarian, but I still use emu oil, so.... |
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Tue Jan 16, 2007 10:23 pm |
Really? I'm not a vegetarian...FAR from it  but I cannot bring myself to put animal oil on my face...I smelled, well what must have been unrefined or something, and it made my stomach turn. Ever since I can't do it. Nope.
Weird...I'll eat meat no problem (fixing poultry is hard...if I handle it raw I CANNOT eat it...but it's not the same for beef or other red meat, I can handle, cook, and eat it...)
...but I squirm when I think of putting emu on my face...knowing where it comes from ON the bird.
I guess we all have our quirks... |
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Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:58 am |
| daisylondon wrote: |
| Isn't cruelty free Emu oil like me hoping that rabbit jackets are made from jackets who have been gently brushed whilst listening to Radio 4..?! |
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Wed Jan 17, 2007 4:12 am |
| daisylondon wrote: |
| Isn't cruelty free Emu oil like me hoping that rabbit jackets are made from jackets who have been gently brushed whilst listening to Radio 4..?! |
Oops, I meant of course to say isn't cruelty free Emu oil like me hoping that rabbit jackets are made from *rabbits* who have been gently brushed whilst listening to Radio 4..?!
You're not weird ParisTroika..well if you are I am too! I haven't even seen emu oil as I have never looked for it. I'm not a vegetarian either but I wouldn't put chicken oil on my face! |
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Wed Jan 17, 2007 4:36 am |
| daisylondon wrote: |
| You're not weird ParisTroika..well if you are I am too! I haven't even seen emu oil as I have never looked for it. I'm not a vegetarian either but I wouldn't put chicken oil on my face! |
Whereas during my Christmas emu crisis I was seriously looking at jars of goose fat a la Nigella. |
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Wed Jan 17, 2007 6:24 am |
There are a number of Emu industry Trade Organizations. Some are legit, some are nothing more then a handfull of Ranchers looking for a Tax Write off.
I personally have never seen much on the "Emu Council" They may mean the The United States Emu Council (USEC). But I cannot find any real info about them anywhere, to see how "valid" they may be.
The only refernce I found was on this Business Plan example.
http://www.referenceforbusiness.com/business-plans/Business-Plans-Volume-04/Emu-Ranch.html
But I still can't find that actual group, online anyway.
One of the more well known is the Americian Emu Oil Association. I will check with them, and see if they have thoughts on this. They should know if this is possible, and sources.
http://www.aea-emu.org/emuoilfaq.asp |
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Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:29 am |
| Molly wrote: |
| daisylondon wrote: |
| You're not weird ParisTroika..well if you are I am too! I haven't even seen emu oil as I have never looked for it. I'm not a vegetarian either but I wouldn't put chicken oil on my face! |
Whereas during my Christmas emu crisis I was seriously looking at jars of goose fat a la Nigella. |
Mmmm, goose fat! The most delicious in the world! I put it on my chickens (yes, my chickens that I roast in my kitchen) and potatoes.... Never on my skin, though. I'm an indulgent carnivore because I'm a diagnosed hypoglycemic who cannot go without large amounts of protein to balance out my diet.
This is ridiculous--one of you who are in touch with IE should email them and point out the logical inconsistencies of their claims. It may be a "cruelty-free" process, but all emus are raised for their meat and are eventually killed, so what is the difference whether or not the animal is alive or dead when the oil is extracted? Animal activists are concerned primarily with two things only: how the animal is raised, and why the animal is being farmed, i.e. to what purpose/product. An emu farm is an emu farm; beauty without cruelty = total absence of animal by-products and animal testing.
--avalange |
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Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:52 am |
| daisylondon wrote: |
| Isn't cruelty free Emu oil like me hoping that rabbit jackets are made from jackets who have been gently brushed whilst listening to Radio 4..?! |
OT but this reminds me of something my brother told me. He uses La Mer, and the saleswoman told him, with a straight face, that music is played to the seaweed while it is fermenting |
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Wed Jan 17, 2007 9:25 am |
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| daisylondon wrote: |
| Isn't cruelty free Emu oil like me hoping that rabbit jackets are made from jackets who have been gently brushed whilst listening to Radio 4..?! |
OT but this reminds me of something my brother told me. He uses La Mer, and the saleswoman told him, with a straight face, that music is played to the seaweed while it is fermenting |
Love it!! |
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Wed Jan 17, 2007 9:56 am |
| appletini wrote: |
| daisylondon wrote: |
| Isn't cruelty free Emu oil like me hoping that rabbit jackets are made from jackets who have been gently brushed whilst listening to Radio 4..?! |
OT but this reminds me of something my brother told me. He uses La Mer, and the saleswoman told him, with a straight face, that music is played to the seaweed while it is fermenting |
Yes, but are they playing something soothing to the seaweed, or is it Death Metal? |
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Wed Jan 17, 2007 10:01 am |
| majorb wrote: |
| appletini wrote: |
| daisylondon wrote: |
| Isn't cruelty free Emu oil like me hoping that rabbit jackets are made from jackets who have been gently brushed whilst listening to Radio 4..?! |
OT but this reminds me of something my brother told me. He uses La Mer, and the saleswoman told him, with a straight face, that music is played to the seaweed while it is fermenting |
Yes, but are they playing something soothing to the seaweed, or is it Death Metal? |
Well, exactly. How are we to know there isnt some crazed Barry Manilow fan there on the night shift? Anything could be happening in the name of seaweed based beauty, and who would ever know??? |
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