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Annelie
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Tue Apr 13, 2004 6:43 am  |
Hi,
I have hyperpigmentationon my forehead and apart from a chemical peel noone else has been able to suggest something that would get rid of it.
I live in the UK and they dont seem to have any creams here that you are able to purchase online or over the counter. Only other option was laser treatment but they cant do that on your forehead (apparently)
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!! |
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Tue Apr 13, 2004 4:58 pm |
| Depending on the reason you have hyperpigmentation will determine what treatment you should use. I have melasma and tried every topical product out there including the expensive pulse laser therapy. I've had the best results taking MSM supplements and the Skin Medica TNS serum at night and Skinceuticals Primacy C 20% in the day with Kinerase cream. I also wear sunblock come rain or shine and stay out of the sun. |
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CWee
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Mon May 03, 2004 9:55 pm |
Hi, Skin Addict
I too have melasma. I came across a discussion about hyperpigmentation here a week ago. Someone suggested taking MSM and checking out Venessa Wild's book and so I did. I actually went and bought a bottle of MSM yesterday. One thing that caught my eye (on the bottle) is that although this is a supplement, it is not recommended for long term use. Why? How long did it take you to see any results and how many mg are you taking now? Really appreciate feedback from someone who has seen result.
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Wed May 05, 2004 8:23 am |
| I have heard that using hydroquinone to lighten dark areas can cause "rebound hyperpigmentation". The area gets darker if it is exposed to sunlight without being protected. Of course, sunscreen's a daily requirement but I also have read that Vitamin C can help prevent this rebound effect. I use C+Firming Serum. It soaks in really fast and my skin texture is so much better - so much more even. Good luck! |
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Caspers Mum
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Wed May 05, 2004 11:49 am |
Products with hydraquinone are effective for hyperpigmentation, but may only be used for cycles of six-nine weeks. Otherwise, the skin becomes too thin. One must allow their skin a break from these products.
A good, non-irritating combination that I'll suggest: Primacy Phyto + and Kinerase Lotion/Cream. One can use these safely, twice per day. Make-sure you're using your sun protection on a daily basis, regardless of the weather. Skinceuticals Ultimate Daily UV Defense SPF 20 or 30, or Peter Thomas Roth's Oil-Free SPF 20 or 30 would be great choices.  |
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Wed May 05, 2004 12:07 pm |
Hi CWee,
I have been taking MSM for about a year now. I'm not sure how many mcg I take because I have it in capsule form. I started out taking about 5 capsules a day and slowly increased it until i was up to about 12. It took a couple of weeks and one morning I woke up and looked in the mirror and a chunk of the brown patch was just gone. It's like there was a hole in the brown smudge over my lip. I was thrilled and continued to take it until it was gone. I lessened the amount until recently when I was at a flea market and even though I had sunblock and a hat on, got another smudge on the side of my mouth. I increased the amount of MSM and also used Isa Knox Intensive Whiteneing with Photoderm spf 100 and that smudge is almost gone as well.
I didn't read about long term use, but I also noticed benefits in my nails and less joint pain. When the smudge is gone, I will gradually lessen the amount until I'm not taking it and see what happens now that I have some preventative tools (thanks to this Skin Care Forum!) |
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CWee
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Wed May 05, 2004 8:57 pm |
Skin Addict ,
Thanks for the info. Today is only the 4th day of the pill. I increased the dosage from 2 to 4. I guess my body just couldn't tolerate the high dosage today coz I've been making some washroom runs! Did you experience any side effects from MSM? |
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Sat Apr 30, 2005 5:47 am |
| hello all im new to this forum and i was reading the article on MSM and was wondering what exactly is it and can u buy it over the counter |
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Sat Apr 30, 2005 7:45 am |
MSM (methyl-suflonyl methane) is a form of biological sulphur found naturally in the body. It is essential for the health & repair of skin, hair, joints & connective tissue.
I first learned about MSM when I tore 2 ligamnets in my ankle running. (hyperpronation sucks!) My Physical Therapist suggested I started taking it because it helps the body heal faster. They had scheduled me for 12 weeks of PT, and after I started taking the MSM, I was done in 6. I ran a race after 8 weeks.
I cleared it with my doctor before I had started taking it & he said that MSM has been around since the 1950's, and there has never been a case or study to cite that there is any type of adverse reaction or long term side effects.
I have been taking 3,000mg a day for 6 years and I am the healthiest I have ever been in my life! Also I notice that when I run out, if I am off of it for a week or so, I notice my skin starts to look bad, or break out. My skin looks better & younger now than it did when I was in college. I know that part of it is my diet & my skin care regimen, but I firmly believe that taking the MSM has helped greatly. |
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Sat Apr 30, 2005 8:46 am |
| i have hyperpigmentation.... do u think msm would help? |
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Sat Apr 30, 2005 8:12 pm |
| MSM is good for the general health & cellular function of the skin. It promotes tissue pliability by enhancing the flexible bond between skin cells & helps prevent the physical & chemical cross-linking of collagen that is associated with aging skin. But I haven't seen any research to suggest that it is specifically useful for lightening and/or surpressing hyperpigmentation. |
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Sat Apr 30, 2005 8:54 pm |
| I think that vit C serum is a great place to start. Skinceuticals Phyto would also be a good addition. |
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Mon May 02, 2005 10:36 am |
| I live in the uk.....anyone know where i can purchase skinseuticals photo + and vit c serum from? thanks |
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Mon May 02, 2005 5:19 pm |
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| I live in the uk.....anyone know where i can purchase skinseuticals photo + and vit c serum from? thanks |
If you want to purchase them online you can do it right here...from the EDS site  |
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Tue May 03, 2005 8:59 am |
| can anyone voice a oppinion on skinseuticals photo + for pigmemtation, just a bit scepitcal purchaseing from here. |
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Tue May 03, 2005 10:24 am |
Skeptical about the product itself, or ordering it from EDS? If you're skeptical about ordering it from EDS, no need to fear - they're fabulous! Speedy shipping, terrific customer service, etc., and I'm in the U.S.
Now, if you're strictly talking about the product......Phyto+ did nothing for my hyperpigmentation after continued use for a solid three to four months. Didn't budge it. However, like everything else, your results may be better than mine, and if you search, you'll find some people who had great results....I do like the Skinceuticals line very much, especially their B5 gel, but the Phyto+ went to the graveyard of products that just didn't cut it!!!
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Tue May 03, 2005 11:06 am |
Maria, you're right what works for one, may not for another and vice versa...
It's important to know the source of hyperpigmentation in order to compare results with others on products that work. Treatments are various depending on the source for hyperpigmentation - that's why it's always recommended to get a dermatologist's help to diagnose the source and suggest appropriate route of treatment.
Various sources of hyperpigmentation can be due to sun exposure, scarring, products/chemical peel reaction/ hydroquinone, hormonal, in which some may actually have melasma. |
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Tue May 03, 2005 12:29 pm |
| hi anyone had any success storys using skinseuticals photo + for pigmenatation |
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Tue May 03, 2005 5:58 pm |
| I have used the sc phyto+ for about 5-6 months without getting any results, and eventually stopped using it. I started using c+aha for about 2 weeks and Iīm getting good result with it, as I can see my hyperpigmentation (PIH) is slowly fading. However when I use this product on my forehead I get closed-comedones. Iīm using another c+aha+bha product on my forehead from sageskincare. And by the way Iīm using aspirin mask 2 times a week and itīs the best mask I ever used (hey its the best thing I have ever used on my face and itīs almost free ). Itīs dramaticly reduces redness/acne/blackheads/blotcheness and acne scars. And with my last order from EDS I bought the ptr ultra gentle botanical skin brightening gel complex. I have used this product on a sunspot I have on my left arm just to try it out for about 2 weeks and its much lighter now. If I wasnīt such a chicken I will use it on my face but it is in very good shape and I donīt want to ruin it. But this product is promising ..... as far as I can tell from the sunspot I have on my arm. |
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drbruce92
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Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:15 pm |
| I know this forum is super old but for anyone looking, my story may be helpful. I ordered some MSM powder on amazon after reading it was helpful for skin issues such as scarring (stretch marks) and PIH (post inflammatory hyperpigmentation) from acne. I put the MSM powder in a spray bottle with distilled water, since the chlorine in tap water can inactivate the MSM. I used about 3 heaping teaspoons of powder for 1/2 cup water. I've only been using this for 2 days all over my body and I'm experiencing huge patches of lighter skin as one poster in thus described. You can see them everywhere very distinct from the darker skin. I'm half black half white with a caramel skin color and wasnt even looking to lighten my skin, but not only are the PIH marks fading my whole skin is fading to one uniform light caramel color after 2 days! It's unbelievable. I haven't seen much change in stretch marks but my skin is softer and very obviously lightening and tightening. I predict after a week or 2 no more dark marks and hopefully some change in my stretch marks. |
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Wed Oct 28, 2015 4:38 pm |
I am of West Indian extract and previously had three years severe issues with exegenous ochronosis - grey/ blue/ black darkening of the skin due to a sun tan lotion containing mercury. That was then much worsened by it mixing with my normal fade cream (for spots) AND subsequent nine month steroid creams damage which my doctor did not tell me to only use for a month! Basically, my face had four patches which looked terrible by the end of all that!!
Anyway, that's in the past as contrary to popular medical belief I cured my skin issues over two years (with v.v. light incidences of facial eczema and small hyperpigmentation rebounds on eyes and mouth - about once every two years - as a steroid 'legacy').
Due to my past issues i held out on using the fade cream after I had a surprise bout of seriously itchy eyes (when on holiday abroad without my Elidel cream - an expensive non -steroidal, excellent anti- eczema cream). That's how i got the hyperpigmentation one morning a month later ...bad on my right eylid and underneath and mild on the left!
So here's my safest fixes!:
1) Apple cider vinegar placed on affected areas leave to dry over a few seconds.
2) Then aloe vera gel mixed with vitamin E oil from capsules (soothes, mosturises and helps shedding of damaged skin) rubbed in - leave to dry over a minute or two.
3) Then 'sensibly' dab on a mild fade cream (I use as Fade Out by Vivalis) to work on the darkened areas.
Anyway, everything i list above bar the fade cream reduced the issue by about 20% over six months (not good enough). Using Fade Out very liberally - keeping a careful eye for any of my 'particular' E/O issues - i reduced my 'P-IHP' by 50% in just 2 1/2 weeks.
You can guess i'm really pleased. I'm currently testing Elave (Ireland - pure dry skin / eczema mosisturiser ) and E45 Intensive recovery for very dry skin - to see which one not only moisturises VERY slightly dry looking skin brilliantly (they both do) but which one heals the mild eczema 'hangover' the best!
Hope this helps, folks as i wouldn't look to recommend anything with major side effects or amounts of aggressive ingredients. No point keeping this all to myself as i would have killed for this info 7 years ago! |
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Thu Oct 29, 2015 7:24 pm |
Try a Vitamin C serum like Skinceuticals or CSS , more reviews here http://www.bestvitcserum.com/ I also recommend like a Clarisonic to help the vitamin c penetrate even further.
Also use a high PPPD sunscreen every day to prevent future damage.
Laser may work for you but it doesn't work on all skin types (for example it doesn't work on many Asian skin types).
I never had luck with hydroquinone. Used something from Obagi and it was useless. |
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Fri Oct 30, 2015 12:23 am |
For melasma this is what is helping me:
pycnogenol 200mg/day
Topically a strong sunblock like EltaMD, Yuli Cell Perfecto, Retin A, MUAC mandelic acid peel, on the fence about ZO Brightenex.
Mine was pretty bad this summer due to stress, sun exposure (though really limited), heat, poor sleep, and did I mention stress? I am predisposed to pigmentation issues.
I found MSM did nothing, and I have used it for years at all different (and higher) doses. |
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Wed Mar 16, 2016 8:39 am |
UPDATE:
Thought I've give a quick update on my H/P. Discontinued use of Fade cream as - even though it was said not to contain H/Q - what i thought was helping was, in fact, the Manuka Honey cream. Fade cream was actually compromising things asnd re-triggering exegenous ochronosis! This set me back 6 weeks (i.e. The length of time I used it for !!)
So, on a regime (see earlier post for methods of application) of : Apple cider vinegar / Aloe vera vit e (mixed)/ Manuka Honey (brilliant) AND daily steaming for 5 - 7 mins each day (surprisingly effective) I have reduced the HP by 60% in two months and look on course for being back to normal within another month to 6 weeks!(3 - 3 1/2 months total).
N.B. On past use something like Retina A or the 'Blue gel' i have mention previously (both help skin cell turnover)could also be very useful used 'liberally' on affected areas.
Basically, asI've had the HP for nearly a year now all the elements I mention have helped. But since introducing the Manuka (and steaming to a lesser extent) there really has been significant improvement (esp. as the fade cream cause further damage over the six week period mentioned earlier!)
Hope it helps guys and good luck!! |
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Thu Mar 17, 2016 4:44 am |
| i am going to try some of your tips. thanks for sharing. |
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