Parsol 1789 or Octinoxate and Zinc Oxide
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free skin care · Thu May 12, 2005 8:57 am

Which is better to have in your suncreen Confused

I do think I have an allergy to titanium dioxide (gives me a rash) Sad

Looking for something light, non-greasy, non-shiny, no tint....only the perfect moisturizer with SPF Very Happy

free skin care · Thu May 12, 2005 9:02 am

Well, Parsol 1789 or Avobenzone, is unstable unless there is something like Octocylene in the formulation as well.

Octinoxate and zinc oxide is a better choice although it is still partially unstable because of the octinoxate (is this SkinCeuticals' Ultimate SPF30?)

But are you looking for a dedicated sunscreen or a moisturiser with sunscreen?

free skin care · Thu May 12, 2005 10:05 am

Thanks for the reply Very Happy

I am looking for a moisturizer with SPF for everyday, year-round use. The ingredients I mentioned are from the Dermalogica website and that is all the info they give (for their solar booster spf30 and sheer moisture spf15 respectively) Confused

I have the LRP Anthelios Lait SPF45 for heavy duty sun protection (don't really like it, but I feel that it will protect) Smile

I just started using the Dermalogica line and so far so good, except I don't like their sheer moisture with tint. I would like to try and stay within one product line.

free skin care · Thu May 12, 2005 10:20 am

I would use the LRP instead but I understand it is quite oily. Smile

free skin care · Thu May 12, 2005 10:28 am

The LRP is actually not too bad....it is shiny/greasy and takes awhile to sink in but on the good side it has absolutely NO sunscreen smell Smile

I think I will use it for the summer but need something lighter for winter Confused

free skin care · Thu May 12, 2005 3:17 pm

You may want to try this - one the few moisturisers I know with photostable UV protection:

La Roche-Posay Hydraphase UV Intense Rehydration with SPF 30 is a light formula with a non-oily texture used to provide long hydration to the skin. It works ideally for tight, uncomfortably dehydrated skin as well as for acne-prone skin. This product is formulated with polymer molecules that do not penetrate. They create a film on the skin holding glycerin molecules that delivers moisture when and where it is needed. It is non-comedogenic. Indications: Dry to combination skin. Tight, chapped skin. Seasonal dryness Key Ingredients: Glycerin Polyglyceryl methacrylate Thermal spring water Benefits: For combination to dry skin Exclusive 3-D polymer; O/W technology; traps in moisture TSW - anti-inflammatory; soothe Zinc & copper - regulate sebum Unique airtight bottle design/no contamination Targeted 12-hour hydration Light, non-oily luxurious texture Non-comedogenic Size: 1.7 fl oz / 50 ml 50ml 1.69 Fl.Oz.

free skin care · Fri May 13, 2005 4:07 pm

U.S. dermatologists tend to recommend zinc oxide over Parsol 1789/Avobenzone - likely due to the fact that the former is more of a "sure thing" since it's a physical active ingredient. I don't use Parsol anymore unless it's used in conjunction with other active ingredients (i.e., Ombrelle and La Roche Posay). In other words, I think American sunscreens are garbage. The FDA needs to catch up and approve Mexoryl already, as I am so tired of getting ripped off purchasing Ombrelle and La Roche Posay on the Internet. I've only found one eBay seller who actually charges around the price of what the sunscreens retail for (forget actually getting a discount). God bless Canadians!

The least-oily La Roche Posay I've come across is the Anthelios W Gel 40. It also leaves no white cast whatsoever, and I am in love with it.

free skin care · Fri May 13, 2005 4:43 pm

Thanks for all the info Very Happy

Wed May 18, 2005 3:32 pm

Bad Bird wrote:

Well, Parsol 1789 or Avobenzone, is unstable unless there is something like Octocylene in the formulation as well.

Octinoxate and zinc oxide is a better choice although it is still partially unstable because of the octinoxate (is this SkinCeuticals' Ultimate SPF30?)

But are you looking for a dedicated sunscreen or a moisturiser with sunscreen?

Hi BB,
could you tell me what you mean when you say the octinaoxate is unstable? Does that just mean it won't last very long or does it just affect the SPF?

free skin care · Wed May 18, 2005 3:43 pm

Hi Captain Lola,

I meant that it is not photostable. This means that it breaks down in sunlight, so it's as good as not wearing sunscreen. In fact, not using a sunscreen with Octinoxate would be better, because a photo-unstable active generates lots of free radicals which damage skin.

Wed May 18, 2005 3:58 pm

Bad Bird wrote:

Hi Captain Lola,

I meant that it is not photostable. This means that it breaks down in sunlight, so it's as good as not wearing sunscreen. In fact, not using a sunscreen with Octinoxate would be better, because a photo-unstable active generates lots of free radicals which damage skin.

Thanks for the information Bad Bird. I just purchased Dove Brightening Moisturizer for the SPF15 - but it's actives are Octinoxate %6 and Zinc Oxide 2%

I thought it might the one not to break me out. Darn. At least I can return it to the store.

To anyone who is looking for a matte, non-pasty, non-chemical sunblock, my Anessa sunscreen arrived in the mail last night. I've heard only great things about this one and will post a review when I see some results.

free skin care · Wed May 18, 2005 4:06 pm

Bad Bird I am practically making notes here Laughing

Right am going to go for something from the La Roche Posay.
SugarFreeSheila do you have oily skin? Whatever sunscreen I get has to be compatible with my oily skin and I am a bit worried about having a shiny film over my face.
What does anyone think of the XL Fluid Extreme SPF 60 or 40 I have seen very good reviews of these on other sites, but not from an oily skin point of view.
Another thing why do they have milk and cream? Is the milk for the body, this confuses me, does anyone use a milk for their face what results do you get?
Just thought not seen Carekate's take on all this, she is a fellow oily Laughing

Has she gone away hmm

free skin care · Wed May 18, 2005 6:39 pm

I'm pretty happy with the sunscreen I'm using, it's active ingredients are: Octinoxate 7.5%, Octisalate 5%, Avobenzone 2%, and Oxybenzone 2% Is this combo good? I gather it is but I'm a wee bit confused.

I am going to try LRP though because I want the Mexoryl protection but am not sure which one would be better, from the Lait spf 45 description here, it doesn't sound greasy. Rolling Eyes

LRP ANTHELIOS LAIT SPF 45 100ML

Anthelios Lait SPF 45. High UVA-UVB protection, photostable with Mexoryl SX (3%) and Parsol 1789 (Octocrylene 10%, Titanium Dioxide 3.7%, Avobenzone 2%). Fragrance Free, Water resistant, non-greasy effect, Light Texture, Non-comedogenic, with La Roche Posay Thermal Spring Water.

Then there is this one with titanium dioxide too.

ANTHELIOS L SPF 60 100ML

Anthelios "L" 60 SPF (with MEXORYL SX) is total sunblock: just like the Anthelios XL 60 PLUS. Active ingredients: titanium dioxide 4%, (PARSOL 1789) 3.5%, terephthalylidene dicamphor sulfonic acid (MEXORYL SX) 3.3%. Based with healing La Roche Posay Thermal Spring Water - 100ml 3 fl oz.

Which would be better for oily, acne prone skin? I'm guessing the Lait but would like you guys to chime in. I couldn't find the gel atwww.feelbest.com where I wish to order from.

free skin care · Wed May 18, 2005 7:04 pm

Rosebud, wish I could help but I'm in the same boat. Smile

free skin care · Wed May 18, 2005 8:54 pm

Rosebud and Lolli,

I'm afraid all LRP sunscreens are rather oily, even the Fluide Extreme. However, in terms of texture, Fluide Extreme is the lightest.

Here is the broken down record again: oiliness is a small price to pay. Laughing

Just use some cornstarch to matte the shine.

Lolli, the Gel is not available in Canada; only the SPF60 Cream, SPF45 Lait and SPF30 Sport.

free skin care · Wed May 18, 2005 9:09 pm

Thank you Bad Bird!! Smile

I'm guessing the Fluid Extreme is not available either... I apply BE Mineral Veil (cornstarch based) after my sunscreen before my mineral foundation and it works like a dream! Good advice on all counts, Bad Bird! Smile

The way they describe the Hydraphase UV Intense Rehydration with SPF 30 you would think it was made for acne prone skin but I'm somehow thinking it would only cause trouble. Neutral

Which of the two I'm considering is the lightest, the Lait or the L SPF 60, do you know? Thank you! You are such a wealth of great info!

free skin care · Wed May 18, 2005 9:21 pm

Wow ... I just read that you are another redhead like Lucia ... I love red hair, particularly the deep dark red kind. And redheads have the most beautiful white skins! On top of that, you have GREEN eyes! Man, some girls are lucky. **Envious**

Well, for the fact that you're a redhead, I would have recommended the SPF60, but since you're also acne prone, the Lait is better because it is lighter.

If you're interested in the UV Hydraphase, maybe you could get a sample from Shoppers. Smile

By the way, what is the full ingredient list of the mineral veil?

free skin care · Wed May 18, 2005 9:37 pm

Thank you Bad Bird! Well, I do like my green eyes and red hair, it's my skin I fight with! Smile

Our Shoppers doesn't carry this stuff for some reason, on my next trip to a bigger centre I will look.

I don't know what's in my Mineral Veil. Embarassed

I'm off to find out though!

free skin care · Wed May 18, 2005 9:43 pm

i.d. Mineral Veil ingredients:

Zea Mays (Corn) Starch, Magnesium Stearate, Zinc Stearate, Methylparaben, Propylparaben. May Contain: Iron Oxides (CI 77499).

Am I seeing cornstarch and preservatives?? Ugh, why didn't I look at that before? When they say 'corn starch based' I'm thinking there are other, more exotic, miracle performing ingredients as well. Rolling Eyes

free skin care · Thu May 19, 2005 5:44 am

Bad Bird I have blonde hair, green/brown eyes and fair skin, I redden in the sun first, then go brown and appear slightly tanned from past sun damage, would you suggest I go for the SPF 40 or 60?
I will only be applying a light coverage so is it correct in thinking I should go for the SPF60?
Oh by the way, whilst I am waiting for Sat until I buy some sunscreen, I've taken to wearing a cap in the conservatory Very Happy

I'm quite fond of it, it has 'commander in Chief' written across the front Laughing

How do you wash you caps, I've managed to get make-up all over the brim, would I ruin it if I put it in the washing mashine?

free skin care · Thu May 19, 2005 6:16 am

rosebud wrote:

How do you wash you caps, I've managed to get make-up all over the brim, would I ruin it if I put it in the washing mashine?

I would soak it first, in a tub with water and delicate soap. Delicate soap is often good at removing things with little agitation. Use more soap to get off any make-up that wouldn't soak off, then just hang to dry.

free skin care · Thu May 19, 2005 9:48 am

Hi Rosebud!

I'm the wrong person to ask about which SPF to choose because I'll always go for the highest! Laughing

From your colour type, you burn more than tan, so you're doing quite a lot of damage. Tanning is also a form of damage, mind you.

With whatever SPF you use, make sure to apply 2/5 of a teaspoon on your face alone. Applying less could mean halfing the SPF.

English conservatories are lovely places to sit in, but they are like being in a glasshouse. I'll probably wear those SPF100 surfing jerseys before sitting in one! Laughing

The caps - you can try some makeup remover on a cotton pad first, then do a gentle cycle in the washing machine (preferably no spinning). If it's a really expensive cap, then do as Faith says. Smile

free skin care · Thu May 19, 2005 9:54 am

Lolli,

Cornstarch alone is amazing at soaking up oilies. And yes, the mineral veil contains preservatives, but it's no big deal. Those preservatives are in everything. You don't want your mineral veil to go mouldy after a while. Laughing

Actually, I wouldn't put mineral veil over the LRP. Avobenzone (which LRP contains) reacts with metal ions, and will degrade.

free skin care · Thu May 19, 2005 9:56 am

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Something's wrong with the EDS server. Kept posting twice.

free skin care · Thu May 19, 2005 10:32 am

Thanks, Bad Bird. I'm actually not too worried about the preservatives, I am more afraid of mold. Laughing

It's just what I pay for a little tub of Mineral Veil for what it actually is! Rolling Eyes

I just bought some more recently $19 US for 1/2 ounce.

Hmmm...I wonder if JI and BE mineral foundations have metal ions as well? I'm off to look this up now!

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