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Fri Jun 10, 2005 8:30 am  |
| hi..ive just started using vit c serum, is it imperative that i use sun screen on top? , if so i live in the uk can any one recommend a good photostable sun screen and where to purchase it |
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Fri Jun 10, 2005 8:36 am |
| i nearly forgot i have slightly oily skin |
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Fri Jun 10, 2005 8:52 am |
Boots sunscreens are good and are 5* for UVA protection. The one I use is a bit thick though and may be too greasy. You could always ask Big Bird, she knows loads about it  |
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Fri Jun 10, 2005 6:46 pm |
UK man - unfortunately if you're on the hunt for a non-oily photostable sunscreen give up now because they don't seem to exist. It's the nature of the protection that makes them oilier. The photostable chemicals are not water soluble, they have to be used in an oily base. The oiliness of mexoryl for example is one of the reasons for it's superiority, it clings better to the skin.
You could get a mineral based sunscreen instead, these sit on the top of your skin and reflect the rays off and are generally less oily, but might give you either a slight white cast or a slight tinted colour (if it's a tinted one). They offer marginally less protection, but are not bad.
HTH - Molly |
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Fri Jun 10, 2005 10:00 pm |
"It's the nature of the protection that makes them oilier. ... The oiliness of mexoryl for example is one of the reasons for it's superiority, it clings better to the skin."
This is not quite correct. Mexoryl SX is in fact water soluble. The oiliness has nothing to do with the mechanism of the active. Mex is superior not because of its oiliness but because of its absorption through the UVA spectrum, and its photostability. How well the sunscreen adheres to the skin is not dependent upon the active(s), but by the formulation of the whole product. How well the sunscreen adheres to skin also merely determines the substantivity of the product, not its "superiority" re UV protection. |
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Fri Jun 10, 2005 10:09 pm |
I forgot to add, physical sunscreens DO NOT offer "marginally les protection". In my humble opinion, they are very much inferior for UVA protection.
Unless, of course, you are talking about large particle, opaque ZO or TiO2, which lifeguards used to smear on their noses. |
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Fri Jun 10, 2005 11:12 pm |
| bad bird ...is it true that u should use sunscreen everyday even in the uk?. If so where do i start which one? |
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Sat Jun 11, 2005 12:16 am |
Hello UK man. I currently use L'Oreal Solar Expertise factor 25, available from any Boots. It's main screen is Meroxyl SX and XL, tho it does contain other screens including titanium dioxide. Its UVA protection is rated as maximum, and it is very photostable. It is available in SPF ranges from 8 to 60. It is not at all greasy and is an excellent moisturizer. There is another product in the range formulated as a wrinkle control cream too, having a higher SPF I think, but I haven't tried this. Boots currently have an offer....buy one 150ml bottle for £11 and get a second one free. Here is a link
www.boots.com/brandtreatment/product_details_brand_treatment.jsp?productid=1029439&classificationid=1033263 |
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Sat Jun 11, 2005 2:32 am |
Hi ukman I've been using the Avene Spray SPF50 from the larger boots and it's about £12.50.
I too suffer from oily skin and this is not very oily at all.  |
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Sat Jun 11, 2005 4:23 am |
| Rosebud...why do u use such a high spf in the uk? |
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Sat Jun 11, 2005 4:54 am |
...maybe because there is a huge hole in the ozone layer over the UK and we don't want photo aging or even cancer?
I use spf 55 in summer and 15 in winter. Will have to look into the avene, but I bet my poxy little Boots won't sell it  |
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Sat Jun 11, 2005 5:26 am |
Hi BadBird
OK not oil soluble. I must have misread that, but I was following the BB sunscreeners thread and there do seem to be a lot of issues over greasiness, heaviness, oiliness, the NYTimes says 'gummy' - call it what you like. People are dusting their faces with corn starch and buying oil cleansers to remove the Avene and LRP at the end of the day.
From what I read before in another thread which you replied to about a popular mineral screen Skinceuticals I think, the difference seems minimal to me for someone who is happy to use that screen on their face. There has to be some choice between comfort and sun protection and that's for the individual to make. As long as we are aware that's fine. I was checking one of the popular mineral screens and it gets 3 out of 4 Boots stars. |
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Sat Jun 11, 2005 7:16 am |
| uk man wrote: |
| Rosebud...why do u use such a high spf in the uk? |
 I get the distinct impression that 'uk man' is really just looking for someone to tell him that he does NOT need to wear sunblock in the UK so he doesn't feel guilty about not wearing it...  |
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Sat Jun 11, 2005 9:48 am |
| Mabsy...no thats not it , ime quite happy to wear sunscreen, but i cant help thinking you girls take things to a extreme (Please dont take offence.......maybe ime wrong) |
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Sat Jun 11, 2005 10:44 am |
love your honesty, ukman!!!!!!  |
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Sat Jun 11, 2005 11:17 am |
| Thanks "Ajax" |
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Sat Jun 11, 2005 12:45 pm |
| uk man wrote: |
| Mabsy...no thats not it , ime quite happy to wear sunscreen, but i cant help thinking you girls take things to a extreme (Please dont take offence.......maybe ime wrong) |
Extreme? Moi? 
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Sat Jun 11, 2005 5:55 pm |
I've been a man for some time too.
I can understand the concerns if you're living in a tropical climate, but I really find a lot of this so extreme for the UK unless you have some kind of serious skin-sensitivity issues and I wonder if some of these heat/sun sensitivity issues are actually caused by always wearing extremely heavy duty sunscreen. I've been reading and reading and I have many issues with all of this with regard to fears about the ozone hole (over the UK?), cancer levels - so much of it.
I live in fear of being accused of being the troll though.  |
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Sat Jun 11, 2005 6:24 pm |
For example. I was reading a few days ago from a very reputable source (wish I could find it again, but I've been through my entire history) that recent research suggests the rise in cancer levels has little to do with the decreasing ozone layer. It has much more to do with extreme sun exposure due to the rise of mass package holidays in the UK from the 70s onwards combined with a false sense of security when using sunscreen.
This makes a lot of sense in so many ways. I read on the BBC site that it usually takes 10 to 30 years for cancer to show so the results of people basting themselves in the midday sun on Meditteranean beaches all day would begin to show up over the past decade, especially considering they were only using UVB protection.
I also wonder if you broke down the skin cancer statistics in the UK by age, considering the longevity of people in the UK, how many would be in their 80s or 90s. The skin simply wasn't designed to hold up to that kind of lifespan there are going to be some problems. (My grandfather must be in those statistics, he had cancer of the skin on his bald patch, but he was 100 and he'd been gardening all his life.)
So, yes - awareness and some protection is necessary, but I think for the UK factor 50 all year round and constant fear of cancer are a bit extreme.
Australia and New Zealand would be another story, but again I read even though they are worse affected by the hole in the ozone layer the rise in cancer levels is now considered more to be the result of changes in behaviour combined with poor sunscreens.
Joy and peace M |
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Sat Jun 11, 2005 10:30 pm |
| Molly ... the one thing that comes to mind viewing your last few posts is "NAIL + HEAD" thanxs |
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Sat Jun 11, 2005 11:01 pm |
 Thank God someone agrees with me for once. UK man I think I  you. |
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Sat Jun 11, 2005 11:08 pm |
| Molly.. can you please explain to me the two different types of sunscreen on the market? ime new to this |
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Sat Jun 11, 2005 11:22 pm |
No, I'm fed up with being corrected on little technicalities so I'm looking for a web page for you. I came across one or two with very simple clear explanations.
There's 'physical' suncreens and 'chemical' sunscreens but that's all I'm saying for now....... |
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Sun Jun 12, 2005 12:07 am |
Molly...someone keeps splitting hairs with you i wonder who that is my feathery friend.  |
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Sun Jun 12, 2005 12:52 am |
I can't find my good page with diagrams, but this is from netdoctor.co.uk
The chemical sun filter consists of ingredients that act by penetrating the skin and absorbing the sun's rays so that they do not reach down into the lower layers of skin and cause damage.
The physical filter, on the other hand, lays a thin membrane on top of the skin and reflects the sun's rays back. A physical filter is often slightly coloured, such as zinc oxide, which is white.
Some are also a combination of the two. There are pros and cons to each.
I'd recommend a chemical sun filter for your holiday in Greece. These are slightly greasier, but more effective. And everyone else will be looking greasy and reapplying regularly too so it doesn't really matter. Boots Soltan is actually usually very effective and cheap, but I'm not in the UK and out of touch shopping-wise so I can't recommend the actual bottle - the ones recommended in this thread sound fine. Mexoryl is the latest and most highly recommended chemical filter on this board.
You do need regular protection in winter too, even in the UK as part of your anti-aging strategy. UVA waves are said to be responsible for aging and are constant, unlike UVB waves which only appear in the summer months in the UK. I remember you saying you have some hyperpigmentation - you really should cover that at least. I would opt for something less effective and less 'gummy' for everyday use and I find mineral/physical screens suit me for that. I don't think factor 50 is necessary in the winter, most are content with 15SPF-30SPF. Finding the right one is another story........
HTH - M |
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