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Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:24 pm  |
I have fine lines under my eyes. Are they caused by dehydrated or dry skin?
I also have dark circles, so I tend to think it's because of dehydration. How do I fight it? I use a pretty thick oil atm that has lots of avocado and jojoba in it. Am I doing right? Isn't the oil too thick or something?
Thanks!
Fighting fine lines forever... |
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Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:47 am |
| my skin is pretty dehydrated. You can tell if it's dehydrated when you smile big, your skin starts to show all sorts of vertical lines in the cheek area. Try to drink more water and use retin a. It will help a good deal. I use retin a followed by avocado oil. |
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Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:04 am |
Hi Vor!
My two cents here:
Topicals can definitely help. But for me, I find the vast, vast majority of the time, (1) drinking more water and (2) eating more omega-3 fatty acids makes a far bigger difference in the hydration levels in my skin than virtually any topical I've ever tried. Dehydration comes from the inside, not the outside.
In terms of repairing your skin, in addition to dietary changes, if you are interested in natural oils, you might want to try rosehip seed oil, hemp oil, or avocado oils.
HTH  |
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Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:56 pm |
| Bira wrote: |
| my skin is pretty dehydrated. You can tell if it's dehydrated when you smile big, your skin starts to show all sorts of vertical lines in the cheek area. Try to drink more water and use retin a. It will help a good deal. I use retin a followed by avocado oil. |
Isn't that dry skin? What's the difference?
| cm5597 wrote: |
Hi Vor!
My two cents here:
Topicals can definitely help. But for me, I find the vast, vast majority of the time, (1) drinking more water and (2) eating more omega-3 fatty acids makes a far bigger difference in the hydration levels in my skin than virtually any topical I've ever tried. Dehydration comes from the inside, not the outside.
In terms of repairing your skin, in addition to dietary changes, if you are interested in natural oils, you might want to try rosehip seed oil, hemp oil, or avocado oils.
HTH |
I already use avocado, but it seems pretty thick. Isn't that bad for the skin? |
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Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:07 pm |
Dry skin makes your skin look scaly and you can see the scaliness even when you're not smiling. THat's how I tell the difference anyway.
If you are already using avocado oil, how does it feel for you? Seems it's not helping since you're asking the question? It works for me, but every skin product is different for everyone. THere's no one size fits all. I like the thickness of the avocado oil and my skin can handle it. I slather all over my face. My friend can't use it as it will break her out. |
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:23 am |
| I think it gives my skin a better tone, but I can't really speak for the under eye area. That is still f*cked up ugly. |
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 4:15 pm |
Thanks for the information! It sounds reasonable!
I have same dry skin problem and would like to have a try.
| cm5597 wrote: |
Hi Vor!
My two cents here:
Topicals can definitely help. But for me, I find the vast, vast majority of the time, (1) drinking more water and (2) eating more omega-3 fatty acids makes a far bigger difference in the hydration levels in my skin than virtually any topical I've ever tried. Dehydration comes from the inside, not the outside.
In terms of repairing your skin, in addition to dietary changes, if you are interested in natural oils, you might want to try rosehip seed oil, hemp oil, or avocado oils.
HTH |
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:29 pm |
Oils aren't always the best for moisturising dehydrated skin, only for sealing in moisture. Try using a moisturiser or serum that contains either hyalauronic acid or lactic acid. My skin can't take retinols or other glycolic acids, but it takes lactic acid very well and this leaves my skin looking clear and plumped up. I use this right around my eyes and it's fine.
The other thing you could try is spraying your face with rosewater before applying oil or moisturiser. I like to mix a little glycerin in with rosewater to use as a facial spray, and you can often get rosewater with glycerin at the chemists. However some people find glycerin can break them out and too much is too sticky |
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:19 pm |
How much water do you drink daily? I often recommend that you grab a bottle with a measurement, fill it and see how much you naturally drink. This is kind of a skewed experiment, 'cause you'll by more consciousness of your intake... but it should give you an idea of what you naturally do.
Increasing your water intake is your least expensive line of defense. Also, if winter is approaching in your area... you're potentially looking at even dryer skin. Cold brisk air is drying... and so are heaters. I've noticed that dry skin does age more quickly than oily skin.
A good indicator that you are appropriately hydrated is CLEAR urine. If your urine has any color to it, AND you're not taking something that might change the color... (certain vitamins do this) you are dehydrated. Before you go and start drinking gallons of water, make sure you understand how much you should and SHOULD NOT drink at a time (you don't want to go and throw your electrolytes out of balance and kill yourself in the name of beauty... how odd that water can do that! huh??)
The skin really shows a lot of what is going on within your body... Like right now. I have a BAD head/chest cold... and I look like crap! I will be asked upon site by anyone that knows me what is wrong... 'cause my skin screams there is a problem.. My eyes are all swollen and drooping. They are full of fluid, and sting... and my skin has a dull color to it.
CM is right about the Omegas... In addition to water, you need good fats in your diet. So, I'd be more interested in eating an avocado than putting avocado oil on my face... (which I hear is good, but haven't tried)
Further, I would look to food and beverage that you might be eating/drinking that steal water from your body. Caffeinated beverages are a known culprit. They may "quench" a thirst (also a sign of dehydration), but don't actually hydrate. Alcohol is another biggie. Furthermore, in order for your body to eliminate it needs water to soften things up...but without adequate water (and fiber and oils), your colon will take all that it can get to process and eliminate. So, if your eliminations are not so comfy... that's another sign of dehydration (check out the smoothie thread to make marked improvements... not only in nutrient intake but also an increased water intake.)
I would start with internal hydration first.
Then I would work from the outside... putting a nice hydrating cream on skin that is dehydrated will do little in the end... and is likely to hurt your pocket book more than anything... |
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:40 pm |
http://www.striders.net/programs/coach/handouts/hydration.pdf
Vor, could you share a bit more info with us;
- age
- skin type
- skincare regime (in addition to the avocado oil)
- general health |
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Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:51 am |
| Hi can i also suggest a heavier night cream than for day time as the skin repairs itself at night. |
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Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:13 am |
This is something I have struggled with for a few years now. I have crepey skin around my entire eye area, upper cheeks and forehead. It almost looks like the skim on top of a cheese sauce when you pull on it and it wrinkles up(sorry, this is the best way I can describe it). To me, this seems like dehydration (tons of fine lines with any facial expressions), but the problem is I don't know how that's possible. I drink more than enough water each day, have very limited caffeine/alcohol, take flax oil daily and moisturize like crazy. According to the urine test Kassy provided, I fall in the 2-3 category which is considered "hydrated".
I'm starting to wonder if it's possible for certain areas, like my face, to remain dehydrated when the rest of my body is fine. It's like the water can't reach this area or something. I really don't have a clue if that's even possible, but I don't know what else is causing this. Does anyone have any ideas?
By the way, this problem gets much worse when I try to use any AHA products, even at a low dose, or other over exfoliation (e.g. clarisonic). I just added retin-a back into my routine since the Obagi Nu-derm treatment was the only thing that seemed to improve this, over time anyways. When I asked my derm about it, she said I needed to exfoliate more, but I know that isn't the case as it makes this so much worse. So in my situtaion, what do you think is the likely culprit for this crepey condition? |
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Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:41 am |
Thanks a lot!
My urine is very bright, but I think more water can do no harm to me. At the moment I just drink while eating, only a cup or so extra.
| Kassy_A wrote: |
[18] - age
[How can I tell that? I think it's more dry.]- skin type
[I apply a skin cream with tea tree oil after washing myself. It does fight the dryness. Every day I put a mixture of avocado, jojoba and castor oil on my face. I do "Ageless if You dare" exercises also].- skincare regime (in addition to the avocado oil)
[I think it's fine. I have some sexual problems, but I don't know yet, if they're hormonal, neurological or psychological. I also have muscle twitches all over my body, but I doubt you can derive anything from that.]- general health |
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Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:53 am |
| TAM, your skin sounds just like mine. I take great care of my skin, but I am still getting that crepey skin under my eyes/top of my cheeks. I had cut down on my water intake lately so I do need to get back to drinking more water. But I would also like to find out what else to do. |
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Mon Nov 09, 2009 8:57 pm |
I guess this is kind of on the subject, which I've been wondering for a while--
Last year I got a facial and the girl told me I had very dehydrated skin. I moisturized regularly and had no flakiness (which I associate with dry skin) at that point in time. She put some kind of algae product on my face and it stung like A MOTHER. Her assessment was based on the fact that the product stung so much.
Has anyone heard of this? And like others, how is my face dehydrated if I'm moisturizing? |
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Mon Nov 09, 2009 10:47 pm |
DO NOT USE HUMECTANTS. DO NOT USE MOISTURIZERS!
DO NOT WASH YOUR FACE WITH ANY KINDS OF SOAP!
BELIEVE ME!
I am warning you NOW. I tried all the spritzers, moisturizers, hydrators, blah blah blah. None of them worked.
What worked for me, for the most part, was leaving my face completely alone. Even letting dead skin build up on my face for about what .... 8 months. And I am still suffering the consequences of doing too much to my face even though my face is about 85% better.
i JUST started SLOWLY using copper peptides and a little bit of water/oil for my cleanser.
believe me! nothing else will work other than letting your skin heal itself and being very gentle with it.
drinking more water won't help. but drinking enough water should be fine.
taking supplements and eating healthy/exercising will definitely help. |
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Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:35 pm |
| deertear wrote: |
DO NOT USE HUMECTANTS. DO NOT USE MOISTURIZERS!
DO NOT WASH YOUR FACE WITH ANY KINDS OF SOAP!
BELIEVE ME!
I am warning you NOW. I tried all the spritzers, moisturizers, hydrators, blah blah blah. None of them worked.
What worked for me, for the most part, was leaving my face completely alone. Even letting dead skin build up on my face for about what .... 8 months. And I am still suffering the consequences of doing too much to my face even though my face is about 85% better.
i JUST started SLOWLY using copper peptides and a little bit of water/oil for my cleanser.
believe me! nothing else will work other than letting your skin heal itself and being very gentle with it.
drinking more water won't help. but drinking enough water should be fine.
taking supplements and eating healthy/exercising will definitely help. |
Are you talking about fine lines in particular? So you think the problem is totally inside? I believe you're also against facial exercises?
I don't think doing nothing can help, but I may leave it for a last chance, when all the hope is gone anyway. |
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Tue Nov 10, 2009 4:01 pm |
It is very expensive but for me, and I have dry skin, Creme de la Mer works.
Those with normal skin won't get the benefits. |
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