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Thu Feb 22, 2007 4:21 am  |
| It has a 7% concentration of zinc oxide and they have added rhatany extract as a natural sunscreen. Thank you for bringing this thread back to life, I had forgotten about this product and now I think I will order it again for Summer. There is also a review on it in the review forum which I wrote around the same time. Very pleasant texture, almost like a whipped mousse. |
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Mon Jun 11, 2007 10:23 am |
| avalange wrote: |
ginnielizz,
you seem to be so knowledgeable about sunscreens, thanks for recently making your presence known around here!
Have you ever used the ciba sunscreen simulator? i just don't understand how ZO percentages convert into adequate sun protection. For instance, if you type in 14% ZO in the simulator, you come out with an spf rating of about 8.
https://www.cibasc.com/SUNSCREENSIMULATOR/ssDisplay.asp
Please enlighten us! I've just about given up hope on the chemicals and want to find an excellent physical ss or i might consider tinosorbs again if that doesn't work out. I used to use Skinceuticals uv sport defense and it certainly kept me pale, but i want really good uva protection, too!
--avalange |
Thanks, too, for your vote of confidence, avalange! After re-discovering this forum (I joined a while ago but have been dormant for years), I'm realizing that a lot of my sunscreen info and research is out of date. Which is a shame, because back in college I had free access to all these high-tech medical journals that I can no longer use to look into this stuff!
I'm new to the Ciba simulator (and to the mere concept of PPD, believe it or not!), but I've played with it a bit - I've often heard that physical blocks can't get above an 8 PPD, which is a shame. But I'm not too sure I'm ready to plunge into chemicals - I've started looking into some of the new "European" chemical sunscreens, but again, I don't know how much I trust them. I honestly hope to take a community college course in chemistry to start learning a bit more how to understand these things from a more lab-coat perspective, because my hodgepodge of knowledge is pretty selective and biased.
Still, my gut always says to go with the inert, physical sunblocks - if you start reading up on the chemicals, it gets scary. For example, Avobenzone/Parsol 1789/whatever is not photostable, so formulations containing it have to include a photostabilizer, which then changes the pH, which then requires a neutralizer, which changes the texture... there are so many cause and effect additions to some formulations that I hate to think of the giant science experiment on your face. At the end of the day I'm most comfortable in a physical blocker that may protect a little less against UVA, but also doesn't have the contents of my cleaning cupboard in it!
This is of course a mix of scientific and intuitive approach, and I'm sure my intuitions are going to be off from others. I'm also sure that at 26, I'm relatively wrinkle-free, and once I start to see aging on my skin I'll probably freak out way more about finding a good UVA protector! My hope is that by then, the Tinosorbs and Meroxyls (?) have had a longer run in the market and more data will be available about any potential hazards they present. Fingers crossed! I would LOVE to hear more input from other sunscreen gurus on this stuff, though - bring on the information! |
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Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:08 am |
| bushy wrote: |
| Chinee, is the Devita Vit C product the only product you have tried in the Devita line? |
Bushy,
My skin type is normal to dry.
I summarized my experiences with Devita as below:
(1)Devita Skin Brightening Serum
It is lotion (having medium oily components), abosorbed well on my skin.
Although, honestly, it is not very light compared to some other skin care products also in lotion forms, it is neither oily nor heavy.
It is gentle. I did not break out or feel uncomfortable.
The moisturing effect does not last as long as many other products focusing on moisturing effect.
So I think it should have good brightening effect, as indicated by its name.
Although it is gentle, after using every night until I finished almost one bottle, I don't notice any brightening effect on my skin.
Spots on my face remain, without any change in color or area.
(2)Moroccan Rose Facial Toner
I used one trial bottle provided in the travel set.
It contains fruit acid, but it is gentle on my skin. There is a little moisturing effect I can feel.
I can accept fruit acid used in toner, but the smell and color are not as natural as rose water provided by some other natural/organic brands I have used.
So I don't consider to buy the normal size.
(3)Devita® UnderEye Repair Serum
It is liquid with little viscidity, or gel with light texture. No oily ingredient is included.
It is also aborbed well on my skin, leaving no sticky feeling.
The moisturing effect provided by such a light gel/liqid form can never be as good as creams, so I don't rely on its moisturing effect.
It is not very gentle, because my eyes feel a little uncomfortable when it contacts my eys accidentally.
After I used about half bottle,my black circles remain.
But I can not really tell if the color becomes lighter or not, for my black circles change everyday.
By the way, I have a feeling (not very sure) that eye products containing vitamin K seem to be more effective when applied in nights.
(4)Devita® Revitalizing Eye Lift Crème
The texture is good, and I like it.
Because I use it for only two weeks in "summer", I have to observe more.
I can only say it is gentle, aborbed well and the moisturing effect is also o.k (nearly to be good) these days.
As mentioned, I like to use products containing vitamin K in nights.
Although I don't exactly feel the effect of vitamin K or the lifting effect claimed on the official webpage, skin condition around my eyes is o.k or better than that when I use some other eye cremes designed for mature skin. |
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