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Fri Jan 26, 2007 5:42 pm  |
| Both RJez and I think there're enough RAVE REVIEWS, and our wallets are suffering and our heads are spinning as we can't keep up with all these great products to buy (plus our bathroom counter is getting seriously full), so if you find products you DON'T LIKE, please share your bad experiences, too, so you can help us save $. :-P |
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Fri Jan 26, 2007 6:37 pm |
A new thread for a negative "review" is a good idea, but quite often people's reviews really are not much more than a bit of a comment... and if a product has had an adverse affect, then usually it has not been used for very long so there is not much to say other than the negative affect it had and how long it took.
So I think that if you can write a pretty detailed review a new thread is worth it (and sometimes the raves are pretty scarce on concrete details other than to rave for it). Otherwise, posting in amongst a thread full of raves is sometimes a good idea, as it can bring others "out of the closet" to share their negative experiences as well. |
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Fri Jan 26, 2007 11:54 pm |
I am in two minds about this one. I am very hesitant to give a product a bad review simply because it did not work on my skin. The review may deter someone else from trying the product and that person may have had great results from it.
I think I would be very detailed about the review of a product I did not like so that it is still left open for someone else to consider trying the product because I have given sufficient information for them to make a personal decision based on their skin type. |
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Sat Jan 27, 2007 12:43 am |
Do you really have to be extremely detailed in a negative review? It seems to me that rave reviews are sometimes written after the first use.
Just wanted to add to my post above about why it is difficult to write a negative review on some rave items.
I couldn't find any negative reviews on ISC so after a few weeks of use I posted a thread 'ISC - so disappointed' in the skincare forum and someone posted a counter thread 'ISC - so not disappointed' to elicit more raves like it was some kind of competition. All I wanted to do was warn people that it didn't work for everyone. That obviously made me feel very uncomfortable.
Any long-term user will be wary of raves. The negative opinions usually get discretely mentioned in amongst other topics and more recently I find people are only prepared to give honest opinions by PM.
If you saw that 'most over-rated' thread in the skincare forum recently you will have noticed a lot of negative comments about ISC and Cellcosmet Eye cream. They really should have been in product reviews because the comments in skincare generally float away very quickly. Interesting how they were pretty much by newbies though. Long-term users are reticent on a number of levels to criticise others HG's. |
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Sat Jan 27, 2007 8:32 am |
I think everyone makes very good points in this thread. Very thoughtful. I guess I have to say I'd vote for a separate thread for negative reviews, based on a recent experience. I posted a negative about my BQ experience in the longest thread ever, (and 99.9% positive) and it was quickly swallowed up by a long post after mine and a few other posts. The thread moved on to the next page very quickly, and no one may ever know of my experience when doing their research.
Just my 2 cents. |
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Sat Jan 27, 2007 9:11 am |
| cedar wrote: |
I posted a negative about my BQ experience in the longest thread ever, (and 99.9% positive) and it was quickly swallowed up by a long post after mine and a few other posts. The thread moved on to the next page very quickly, and no one may ever know of my experience when doing their research.
Just my 2 cents. |
Good point, and exactly why I'd love to see a rating (standardised, eg. a rating out of 5, or 10, but with everyone using a consistent denominator) so you can compare in the first line of every review post. You can scan through quickly and still get a good summary of thoughts and read further if you like. |
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Sat Jan 27, 2007 9:50 am |
| ejthomas wrote: |
| cedar wrote: |
I posted a negative about my BQ experience in the longest thread ever, (and 99.9% positive) and it was quickly swallowed up by a long post after mine and a few other posts. The thread moved on to the next page very quickly, and no one may ever know of my experience when doing their research.
Just my 2 cents. |
Good point, and exactly why I'd love to see a rating (standardised, eg. a rating out of 5, or 10, but with everyone using a consistent denominator) so you can compare in the first line of every review post. You can scan through quickly and still get a good summary of thoughts and read further if you like. |
Fantastic idea! A standardized rating upfront and also "length of time used". That would help put the review in perspective. A review based on less than 2 weeks use can generally only give one an idea of texture and ease of use. It can take skin up to 2 weeks to react either positively or negatively to a new "potion"; ie. breakouts, allergies, etc. And long term effect is only measurable with cell division and new skin coming to the surface. A RAVE based on 3 months or more use is more valuable to me than one that is based on a couple of weeks or less, anyway.
An example of this in my own case is 3 years ago I started using Argireline. Loved that stuff immediately! It plumped up and smoothed the fine lines and really took the years off the appearance of my skin. Woohoo, right? After about 4 months I started noticing sagging. ooops! Got off Argireline and it took another 9 months to repair. If I had been here and had done a RAVE review in the first 2 weeks.....
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Sat Jan 27, 2007 10:05 am |
Ari, your exactly right. I have the tendency to wait only two weeks because I get so excited I want to post it ASAP. I need to wait longer for those types of products that take longer for results (like the eyecream I've been using for three weeks...haven't reviewed it yet, I've been good!).
However, I understand people that review something that didn't work for them after a shorter period of time. I will not be of the mind to keep using something for two months when I don't like it. The only thing I've ever done was my tube of DHCC...I used it up in a month and didn't like it.
We should come up with a system that we all use...define the rubric and what the ratings mean, that way people can rate it with a better understanding of what, say, a 4 means versus an 8.
We can put the definitions and rubric in a sticky at the top of the DIY Review subforum and the Product Reviews forum. |
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Sat Jan 27, 2007 7:08 pm |
All of this debate about methods of rating products bring home the reason why I really, really, really like Makeupalley.com's Productville.
It is so comprehensive - sometimes you can tell at a glance if its even worth taking the time to read a product's reviews (e.g., a product with 94 reviews and a 34% "would repurchase" rating doesn't sound so good now, does it? Nor does a 100% "would repurchase" with only 5 reviews - that would make me very YMMV skeptical). You can find out about product opinions of an entire line, or just specific products within a line, or even products in a specific category (e.g., eyeshadow or hair treatments). When you open up the item to read the review, it has this information:
Overall rating X.X
Package Quality X.X
Price X.X
Number of reviews XXX
XX% would buy this product again
Frankly, I'd like to see even more rating consideration criteria besides just package quality and price, but their "at a glance" features are just so helpful. I wish we had that here.
Also, Makeupalley.com lets you go back and update your findings and edit your review. There are so many reviews where the girls come out like gangbusters raving about a product, and then come back 4 months later, deduct lippies and post follow-up about bad reactions, diminished results, product dries out too quickly or went rancid too fast, etc., or they come back and say "this product is now HG worthy - works as promised," etc.
I love the commentary and discussion on EDS product reviews, but it is just so overwhelming and time consuming to go through a huge thread like the one on the Baby Q or even Lips2Kiss to find out what people really think. Its like doing research for a term paper - too much reading - when we really sometimes just want and need a quick synopsis and bullet-point information.
That said, it would be great to find a way to combine the best of Makeupalley.com's Productville and EDS's Product Review forums. The information we get from discussion alone here on EDS is worth its weight in gold - cases in point (just off the top of my head) I am personally so grateful to have Tangal, CareKate, Arielle, Candy, Darren, Wildflower, John C. Hill and others like them posting here because of the invaluable information they provide us with their knowledge and commentary. |
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Sun Jan 28, 2007 2:40 am |
On the question of whether to post or not to post within a long rave thread. I was thinking some very good half-face studies etc. slip away too quickly when they are posted as a fresh topic even though it's good to see something substantial signalled in that way.
Maybe if someone posts a good full, long-term review with something new to say, positive or negative, they should at the same time post a link in the rave thread so it's not lost so quickly.
The raves obviously hang around a lot longer because people are still using it and have more to say. |
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