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Wed May 23, 2007 4:48 pm  |
Ok you all know I was having the severe dry and red eye problem when using RL, so I begged Carrie to sell me the Lush Lash to try. And she took pity on me. I received it in late March and promptly switched to LL on the same day I received it. I have been religiously using LL every night except for a couple of nights that I forgot, and these past two nights which I left it in my bf's fridge. (Thank goodness I'm going back there tonight to go on our trip to Belize.)
Anyway, my eyes aren't red any more from using the Lush Lash, and my lashes have got longer and more curly. I don't have the before pictures for before I started on RL because I didn't know how to work my camera back then. I still find that I still don't take good pics, or maybe my camera just cannot take a very closeup shot. This is the best I can do!
So here are my before and after results:
Before LL (still using RL on 3/15/07 date of pic):
After LL without mascara (pic taken today):
After LL with mascara:
Being Asian, I'm very happy that I now have lashes! Before I started using RL and LL, I got nothing. My lower lashes were invisible. Now I actually have some. My longest lashes are about 1.2 cm, but I still got plenty that are 8 mm. I will continue to use LL because otherwise my lashes are too sad to look at, and I look pathetic with mascara because there's nothing to curl and put mascara on.
ETA: I'll probably only keep these pics up for about a week. Thanks! |
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Thu May 31, 2007 12:07 pm |
| babybelle wrote: |
wow, bkkgirl, the difference is amazing! Being asian myself, I am right there with you on our "inferior" lashes. Thanks for the info, and I will give Lush Lash a try!
...adding to list...
btw, your eyeliner looks gorgeous! what brand do you use? |
Hi Babybelle,
Sorry, just seeing your question. My eyeliner is actually permanent. 
Thanks,
C |
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Sun Jun 03, 2007 12:25 am |
Harmonster, I take great issue with just about everything you have posted on this topic. Your post is full of speculation and opinion and there appears to have been no research done by you into any of what you are speculating/opining about or claiming as fact. Your post is just a bunch of words that have little to no basis in truth. The post you made is what starts rumors and ill-will and I find it incredibly irresponsible of you to just post what you did without even asking questions or doing any research to find out if what you had to say was anything more than speculation and opinion.
| Harmonster wrote: |
I'm worried about the safety of this product. Comparative products that specifically say they will make your eyelashes longer and fuller have little disclaimers in small print (taken directly off their official websites):
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* Age Intervention Eyelash Conditioner is not intended to stop, prevent, cure, relieve, reverse or reduce eyelash loss or to promote the growth of eyelashes.
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Developed by a physician, RevitaLash™ is a remarkable cosmetic innovation that within weeks will help you achieve the appearance of long, healthy, beautiful eyelashes. |
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Your argument is incredibly weak. If you are worried about the safety of this product, then don't buy it and don't use it. Real simple. But if you think that just because Jan Marini and RevitaLash eyelash growth products (yes, that is what they are!) have disclaimers on their packaging and/or websites that that suddenly makes them both safer than LushLash - or just plain safe period - you are sorely mistaken. A disclaimer is only words and will not make a product safe just by being printed on the side of a package or posted on a website. Likewise, a product can be perfectly safe and have no disclaimer on it at all. A disclaimer, in the case of JM and RL, appears to mainly work as a tool to avoid scrutiny by the FDA.
Both the JM and RL products are sold by those companies as eyelash growth products - they most likely just issued those disclaimers to appease the FDA. Its basically side-stepping. They draw you in promising a product that will make your lashes grow longer, but in small print they call them 'conditioners' and just say they are 'not intended' to do what they actually are marketed and hyped to do and will only 'give the appearance of' longer lashes. So "we're selling you a lash growth product but we can't really call it that." Its all a bunch of BS and I mean that to include the fact that the FDA is involved at all. You may have noticed that the FDA and the U.S. federal government oftentimes DON'T have the well-being of its people in mind - take a look at all the medications big pharma has put out that killed people and subsequently needed to be recalled. And we're splitting hairs over eyelashes here? Puhleeeze!
| Harmonster wrote: |
Why these disclaimers? Because the FDA does not require safety testing of cosmetics products but does require safety testing of drugs... which is what these products would be if they were for making your eyelashes actually grow and change.
Is there a disclaimer on the Lush Lash packaging? If not it's a good time to put one up there, because right now that's either
A) Illegal, since you can't sell a product that's supposed to change the way something works, or even test it locally, without FDA testing, or
B) False advertising. |
This part of your post is almost completely unintelligible. What ARE you trying to say? What does this even mean: "... Illegal, since you can't sell a product that's supposed to change the way something works..."? How does false advertising come in to play AT ALL?
Both the JM and RL products do make your eyelashes grow. So does LL. Do the products have drugs in them? Well, speculation was high that the JM product did, but I'm not sure that there was ever a real answer to that question. What about RL? That product seems to have flown under the FDA radar for the time being. What about LL? There are no drugs in that product. It is forumlated by a woman who is not a chemist but is one of many talented DIY-ers that can be found on EDS and who put together a product containing ingredients that anyone can get their hands on. I'm certain that a cosmetic DIY-er could NOT get his or her hands on many of the ingredients contained in either of the JM or RL products.
And you are wrong by in essence saying that only a drug can grow eyelashes. People take supplements and find that their eyelashes grow. Some people have had luck with Talika products growing their eyelashes, or serums containing KGF or ginseng.
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| I knew that people were volunteering to be test subjects for Lush Lash, but I find that it was being sold at nearly the same time. So this is an untested product being sold as a drug for use around the eyes. |
Why on earth would you make the conclusion that "this is an untested product being sold as a drug for use around the eyes"? That is a total, non-sensical leap of logic that I find completely baffling! You are totally wrong saying that LL was being tested and offered for sale at "nearly the same time." LL testers were given the product last year. It only recently came up for sale and, as far as I know, is not even being sold widely on the open market. It is NOT an untested product - again - it was tested by many women, some who had great results with it, some who did not. LL is NOT being sold as a drug and it is incredibly irresponsible and potentially actionable for you to state otherwise!
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| Basically the people who have paid for this product could sue. |
Oh my God! Do you have ANY idea what you are saying here? Please, answer these questions for me: (1) What GROUNDS would anyone who purchased this product have for a lawsuit? (2) What are their DAMAGES? (3) What INJURY have they suffered? (No, injury in this sense does not necessarily mean physical injury to one's body or psyche.) I think this society is litigous enough, thank you very much, and yes, I realize anyone can file a complaint in almost any court for almost any reason - but would it survive the litigation process? Would you, if you decided to SUE, be able to withstand the scrutiny of the process? And when your case got thrown out of court for being completely baseless and without merit, would you be able to withstand the resulting lawsuit against you for malicious prosecution (among other causes of action)? And BTW, "actionable" as used by me in the paragraph above means that your statements, which have been published on a public forum, very well may contain elements of libel in them, which means that the maker of LL might just be able to SUE YOU! How do you like them apples?
Please, I implore you to think before you click the "submit" button in the future. At the very least, as things stand right now, I think you owe CareKate a massive apology. |
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Mon Jun 04, 2007 10:55 am |
Katee - ahhh I was just paraphrasing. I didn't accidentally used the "quote" symbols or did I to cause the confusion?  Sorry if by paraphrasing I managed to ruin the funny effect of the original statement. Didn't intend to do that!!
Girldelvov, Tosca, and Harmonster - check out this thread posted by Rjez:
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=18005&start=0
I believe Rjez was one of the original testers, and she posted a review after using LL for 2 weeks on 11/20/06. That means the original testers must have been given LL to test in early November, right?
I bought LL and paid for it on 3/30/07. I don't see early November 2006 and end of March 2007 as such a close time period. That's about 5 months apart.
If I applied too much LL and it got in my eyes, a slight stinging sensation occurs. It will cause me to tear and the eye turns slight red but goes away. I didn't think to note this because it is rare that this happens. I do try not to get the product in my eyes, but sometimes excessive drop does form. I think it's the KGF that does it because I also bought SAS KGF for Brows that Dr Hannah said it's ok to use on lashes, too, and that it does work, and there is a warning that it should not get in the eyes as it will sting. However, Revitalash didn't sting me but it turned my eyes bright red and dried them out. There was no disclaimer about this on the RL's pamphlet. It took me reading someone's post about a reaction to glaucoma's meds to know that RL was the culprit.
By the way, my eyes feel stung by GOW anti-puffy eye serum as well even though I don't apply it too close to the eyes. I often have to close my eyes a while for the stinginess to go away.
Also, I didn't know that LL didn't work for some people as I never read anything about its not working until now. But I'm glad I got to buy one since it apparently worked for me much better than RL. Before RL, I tried Talika, so I guess I am one of those that needs to use some type of lash conditioner that helps to promote growth. I know for a fact that my eyelashes have doubled or more than doubled in length and volume since I started using Lush Lash. For someone who used to have pretty much almost no lashes, I have Carrie to thank for now having some like other normal people do. If you were born with normal length lashes already, you probably wouldn't appreciate it as much as I do. |
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Mon Jun 04, 2007 11:12 am |
| bkkgirl wrote: |
Girldelvov, Tosca, and Harmonster - check out this thread posted by Rjez:
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=18005&start=0
I believe Rjez was one of the original testers, and she posted a review after using LL for 2 weeks on 11/20/06. That means the original testers must have been given LL to test in early November, right?
I bought LL and paid for it on 3/30/07. I don't see early November 2006 and end of March 2007 as such a close time period. That's about 5 months apart. |
Hi BKKgirl. I completely agree that 5 months apart is a long period of time. I honestly was under the impression (for some reason) that the testers and buyers were 1 month apart. Either way, I was wrong, so my bad.
| bkkgirl wrote: |
| Also, I didn't know that LL didn't work for some people as I never read anything about its not working until now. But I'm glad I got to buy one since it apparently worked for me much better than RL. Before RL, I tried Talika, so I guess I am one of those that needs to use some type of lash conditioner that helps to promote growth. I know for a fact that my eyelashes have doubled or more than doubled in length and volume since I started using Lush Lash. For someone who used to have pretty much almost no lashes, I have Carrie to thank for now having some like other normal people do. If you were born with normal length lashes already, you probably wouldn't appreciate it as much as I do. |
Definitely! If you find something that works for you, use it (unless of course it causes some weird reaction for you or makes you uncomfortable in using the product). And I honestly do appreciate you, as well as other people, sharing their results as it shows what a DIY made product can do (and even can compare to those very expensive big brand ones), and just an overall review of a product that we may use for beauty, this is a skin care and 'beauty' forum, isn't it?!  |
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