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Mon Jan 25, 2010 12:05 pm  |
I emailed Palomar to see how soon we would be seeing this product on the market. This is the response. (I received an OK from them to post the email). Their response also includes a hair removal device.
Thank you for your interest in Palomar.
In addition to our current suite of laser and pulsed-light systems for the professional setting, Palomar plans to commercialize a home-use, light-based device for the treatment of periorbital wrinkles. In June 2009, the device obtained FDA over-the-counter (OTC) clearance. Decisions regarding specific timing, distribution and cost for this consumer product have not yet been finalized. However, we expect to launch our product sometime during the second half of 2010. We plan to market our consumer product through specialty channels such as physician offices, high-end retailers or possibly internet sales directly through Palomar.
Palomar also signed a License Agreement with Proctor & Gamble to commercialize a patented home-use, light-based hair removal device for women. The device obtained FDA clearance in December 2006. In order to achieve FDA clearance, numerous studies with over 600 subjects and thousands of treatments were conducted. These studies demonstrated that, when used as directed, the light-based device created under this agreement delivers comfortable, effective, skin-safe hair removal. This device is not being sold as of yet and the treatment protocol would vary from the professional setting. The intent for this product is not to provide permanent hair removal as offered by our professional systems, but provide the "effect" of permanent hair removal as long as the user continues to use the device periodically. The benefits include the ability to use this device in the privacy of your own home and at a price accessible for the mass markets. Decisions regarding specific timing, distribution and cost for this consumer product are controlled by Proctor & Gamble and have not been publicly disclosed. |
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Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:07 am |
I would order one (advance order, ships 01/11/2011) but I'm on the fence because my eye area needs less help than my lower face.
Offhand I see several reasons that this is labeled for eye use only:
the device was tested on other facial lines and wrinkles and did not work because the strength of the laser is not sufficient to penetrate deeply enough on facial wrinkles.
there was not enough data on facial wrinkles for submission for approval to market from the FDA
they are working on another stronger device for facial wrinkles
the device was not tested on the face, which I find highly unlikely
What is interesting is that a search of the the QVC website for A212768 finds the device, whereas a search for PaloVia does not. Also interesting is that the Palo Via is not mentioned on Palomar's website under the site's New and Press Release sections. The only reference to it is in the Investor section:
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=96490&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1506415&highlight=
I wish that I knew more about when this will air on QVC and how long the advance order price of $413.28, vs $500 will last. I think I will have to track down the FDA submission and clinical trial data. |
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Fri Jan 14, 2011 11:45 pm |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
I just went to QVC's site and found this,
We're sorry, the PaloVia At-Home Skin Renewing Laser System is no longer available.
I wonder if they are out of stock or just no longer carrying it? |
The PaloVia laser is listed as "No longer available" when viewing item #A212768.
If PaloVia is searched for, item #A216014 is shown. The laser is listed for sale at $454.60 with S&H included. The ship date is January 28th. |
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Sat Jan 15, 2011 3:49 pm |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
| Cuddles wrote: |
Angelfire,
You only get 25 zaps per 8 hour period. The treatment window is only about the size of a Pez candy, so it is very small. This renders the laser impractical for larger areas. You simply cannot cover an area such as the chest of neck with 25 zaps. |
Cuddles,
Would you say that makes it impractical for the rest of the face? Could you see using it to spot treat areas such as lip lines?
TIA  |
Not Cuddles here but I used seven of the treatment zaps for my upper lip line, three for the lower lip line, and the remainder, 15, for my nasolabial fold areas. |
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Sat Jan 15, 2011 9:31 pm |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
| I wouldn't want to (eventually) purchase this and find it useless, my issues aren't under my eyes! |
My issues aren't around my eyes either. I am fairly certain that with consistent long term use that I will see results with the lip lines. However, since the nasolabial folds are primarily caused by loss of elasticity and loss of fat in the cheek facial area I think that the results will be minimal unless I treat more of my skin than just the fold area.
Once I get through the 30 days of everyday use on my lip lines then I will start treating some other area on the alternate days. |
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Fri Jan 21, 2011 4:02 pm |
I'm thinking that heavy artillery is required to fight off the redness, dryness, and irritation.
So, "Bottom Butter" it is! Otherwise known as "Rear Schmear". |
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Tue Jan 25, 2011 6:17 am |
| Keliu wrote: |
Don't any of you have a broken capillary that you can zap??? I'd love to know how it works on those - because they usually respond instantly. |
I would love to know this one, as well! I would buy it in a heartbeat if it worked on broken caps! |
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Tue Jan 25, 2011 6:37 am |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
| rileygirl wrote: |
| Keliu wrote: |
Don't any of you have a broken capillary that you can zap??? I'd love to know how it works on those - because they usually respond instantly. |
I would love to know this one, as well! I would buy it in a heartbeat if it worked on broken caps! |
Broken caps and lip lines?  |
Absolutely! - but the lip lines will require collagen stimulation. Broken caps zapped with a laser usually disappear before your eyes - if this device was able to achieve that, it would certainly say allot for its effectiveness. |
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Tue Jan 25, 2011 11:40 pm |
This is my 12 day update. I have used the device 10 times. My skin type is fair, reasonably normal except for this time of year when I am spending many hours outside removing snow. I have thin skin that is not particularly sensitive. I am using the device on high around my lips and on my nasolabial folds.
The first few times that I used it my skin turned red and the redness was easily camouflaged with makeup. On days 4-7 the skin started getting really red and dry with slight swelling in the nasolabial fold area. Around day 8 the skin started peeling some and by day 10 was peeling a lot. The redness was not as bad as on days 4-7. Days 8-10 the redness was not too bad but the skin was very dry with very heavy peeling/flaking. Days 11-12, some redness similar to the beginning and the peeling and dryness have diminished.
After 12 days my skin appears to be adapting. I do not see any improvement in the liplines or folds and I don't expect to see any for another 4-6 weeks. It will be interesting to see if, with continued use, another cycle of high redness and peeling/flaking occurs. |
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Wed Jan 26, 2011 10:12 am |
| sherryf13500 wrote: |
| I do not have peeling. I do have blotchy-ness. I am wondering, if you use this for a month everday, will that damage your skin. Shouldn't you give your face a rest and let it repair some before you hit it again and again. I don't want to damage my face. My face is a little swollen. My lip lines are gone. My N/L area is puffy and red. I do the bottom half of my face in the am and the N/l folds in the evening. X fingers |
I have the same question regarding damaging the skin. I haven't plug mine in yet because I am waiting for more reviews. I know they put this thru tests but I can't get it wrapped around my head to use this daily. It seems to me there should be a wait time in between treatments. I know its not as strong as those you get done by a professional where there is a wait time between treatments, but still....... |
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Wed Jan 26, 2011 7:51 pm |
| ShastaGirl wrote: |
Palomar is having a webinar on the Palovia to answer questions.
Introducing the PaloVia Skin Renewing Laser
Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 8:00 pm ET / 5:00 pm PT
Presented by Fredric Brandt, M.D. and James Leyden, M.D.
Please join us in this live webinar to introduce the new PaloVia Skin Renewing Laser - the first FDA-cleared at-home laser clinically proven to reduce periorbital fine lines and wrinkles. Drs. Brandt and Leyden will discuss their clinical experiences with the PaloVia laser while answering your questions about how it can have a positive impact on the professional laser market by increasing laser treatment awareness, engaging new consumers, and complimenting other professional treatments. |
Anyone else watch the PaloVia webinar? I found it quite interesting. It was targeted towards skincare professionals. Part of the the program went through some marketing info: 1) target market is 45-65 year olds; and 2) whether it'll impact existing professional laser business (they expect it to be an entry point to MORE professional laser clients).
The second half talked about the clinical trials and shared a few pictures. During the active treatment phase (first 4 weeks) they found that 85-90% of the patients saw improvement. During the maintenance phase (using the laser 2x/week) it dropped to 60-85%. They said that 90% of those in the trials wanted to keep the device in lieu of payment.
They also said that they had few complaints on redness. They showed some pictures of the expected redness. It was very slight IMO, easily covered by makeup. They downplayed the redness quite a bit - less than what I see people mentioning on the forums.
Another thing they said was that over time, it would give the same results as professionally done laser treatments (they didn't specify a specific comparison laser type though).
They said you can continue using retin A or glycolic cream as usual, but to wait a few hours after the laser.
I think I want one! |
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Wed Jan 26, 2011 9:29 pm |
| I also noticed that when asked if the PaloVia can treat other areas, Dr. Brandt did say that he has used it himself on other areas but like people have mentioned, since it has only been approved and tested for the wrinkles around the eyes, he couldn't discuss other uses. |
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Thu Jan 27, 2011 8:13 am |
| The welps are what confuses me. Hubby had them from an IPL that zapped him on too high of a setting after getting back from a beach vacation and sunburn, took a day or so to go down, but I can still see a faint cross-hatch pattern in the broken caps they were trying to treat. That why I think this is a pretty strong machine for at home use. You shouldn't have those welps but temporarily for sure. I get them from time to time after IPLs too, but faintly. |
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Joined the 50 club several years back, blonde w/ fair/sensitive skin, Texas humidity and prone to rosacea, light breakouts and sunburns, combo skin type, starting to see sundamage and fine lines |
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Thu Jan 27, 2011 8:29 am |
| I didn't use the laser last night because I got home too late from work because of the awful snowstorm in the DC area last night. I did put heavy duty lotion on. I am using Eucerine heavy duty stuff. My welt were gone, and my skin looked supple in the morning. My face is still on the dry side. I have scaly skin from this treatment. I am impressed with my lip lines and a scar I have on my upper check bone. The wrinkles and scar are almost gone. They are a little red. I am wondering if I should do an every other day treatment. I did do a treatment on my lips and lower face today. Red as usual and stings. That will go away. I put on Eucerine cream and aquaphor. My skin just sucks it all in. |
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Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:54 am |
There's a thread on QVC regarding the results folks are having with the PaloVia.
Lots of folks having redness/dryness, but the results are encouraging and the general consensus seems to be positive. There is some mention that it is helping broken caps.
http://community.qvc.com/forums/topic/146679/PageNumber/1/index.aspx |
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Fri Feb 04, 2011 9:13 pm |
YEA! I got mine today and treated mine and DH's undereye area.( Kims, I have those horizontal lines right under lash lines, so I'm treating those, crow's feet, and the general hollowing in lower eye socket.)
I would rate the discomfort about a 3 on a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being most painful.
We are both red and have the welts, so praying they are gone in the morning...hoping not the 24 hour curse Cuddles!!
It was hard to tell whether I was retreating the same area more than once since I held it horizontally and vertically.
I applied CP night eyes and will top off with emu oil before bed since both have anti-inflammatory effects...hoping that will help!
Will keep you posted!! |
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Sun Feb 13, 2011 4:53 am |
| Keliu wrote: |
| photoqueen wrote: |
The power supply is a 110v to 240v - HTH.
PQ |
Well, that's good news, so if I buy, I won't need a transformer.
Rupert, what do think of this device? |
You won't Keliu.
I managed to get one shipped to the UK and have been using it for 3 weeks. I am going to write a full review at the end of the 4 weeks.
I think it is the biggest step forward for the management at home of wrinkles/lines.
The key is using all our other tools with it, such as the red/IR LED that as we know work on damaged cells/collagen and promote new growth, what the fractional laser is doing is minor cell damage which is why we get the instant improvement in the line/wrinkle as this is the odeama being produced, the real improvements will be over 1 to 3 months.
A top tip:
If the laser fails to fire, and you get a error message, use the the laser to slightly lift the skin this will give you a better contact and I have found I only one failed shot each treatment which is 25 shots.
Rupert |
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Tue Feb 22, 2011 7:48 pm |
| Keliu, my experience using the laser on upper lip lines has involved no sensation or affect on my teeth whatsoever....I haven't had any recent dental work, but I would say I have sensitive teeth. |
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Tue Feb 22, 2011 8:07 pm |
| I've have a dental implant for a few years and haven't had a problem using the Palovia or even the Stop near it so far~knock on wood. |
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Wed Mar 02, 2011 2:40 am |
| ShastaGirl wrote: |
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| What should I use to exfoliate the real dry skin I am getting from the treatments..just those areas?? |
I wouldn't use anything too rough. You don't want to irritate your skin any further. You could try a microfiber facecloth (don't be too aggressive with it). Or even OCM or olive oil - massage in it for a few minutes and then wipe with a warm wet cloth. The oil may help loosen the dry bits. |
As far as all the crusty dry skin that results from a professional laser goes - the advice is to keep the skin wet, to not let it dry out. It will eventually all drop off of its own accord. Now, obviously, if we are going to be using this device everyday, then that means on-going crusty dry skin. But as I said earlier, I'm going to try and keep the skin super moisturised by applying Paw Paw Oinment directly afterwards and during the day using oils and tinted moisturiser.
BTW, I went back to the doctor today for my second round of Sculptra. I told him that I'd purchased the PaloVia. He knew all about it - so I asked him if he thought a home-use laser was going to be worthwhile or just not comparable to a salon laser. He said that, in general, he felt that laser treatments were the way to go. He said he had a high regard for laser technology used for skin rejuvenation. Apparently, he has a colleague in Brisbane who has done allot of research into this technology - and his opinion is that it's very effective. He said that using the laser over the areas that I've had injected with Sculptra will be very beneficial. I was quite surprised by his positive response because I thought he'd say that nothing would be as good as a salon treatment.
Before my Sculptra treatment I was sitting there looking at the B&A's of various treatments. The most impressive photos of patients who had had success with laser had all had multiple laser treatments. Therefore, I think it's important to be consistent with the PaloVia - at least we're not shelling out thousands of dollars. |
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Sun Mar 27, 2011 6:08 pm |
I am becoming increasingly frustrated with this device - too many interruptions. The more I use it, the more interruptions I get. I see this as a design fault. It makes treatments completely nerve wracking.
I am also not recommending this for the treatment of broken capillaries. To be fair, this device uses Fraxell technology and broken caps are usually treated with IPL. A proper IPL treatment will disperse the blood from broken capillaries in one zap - you can see it happen before your eyes. The PaloVia is not achieving that result - and I doubt that multiple treatments will do it either.
As for my eye wrinkles and lip lines - I haven't used it long enough to see any results. I'm not seeing any swelling in the areas I'm treating either and I am using the device on High. On my forehead I can see the tiny little pin-pricks of blood which the laser leaves behind - this is indicative of Fraxel, so I suppose it's doing something.
Overall, I would have been happier to pay more money for a more substantial, heavy duty machine. I think they should have designed something more along the lines of the at-home hair removal devices which are available now.
At this moment, I'm wondering if I should be writing to Nordstroms to complain about the number of interruptions. I have a horrible feeling that this is just part and parcel of this gadget. |
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Wed Apr 20, 2011 6:26 pm |
I only have 8 more days until my 1 month is up and so far I am pretty satisfied. I haven't returned it because I have learned to hold it more steady and also to stretch my skin when treating and I think that helps a lot. I use Retin A daily so that also helps. On the top lip I feel like it has kind of stopped or slowed in diminishing the lines but they probably have gotten better. I have a 10X mirror so it's probably just me. The skin is still kind of hard and scaly - no matter how much Retin A I put on it. (I'm trying to make it peel sooner - it feels like it wants to) Below my lips I have two lines like reverse marionette lines that "may" be muscles or not. They are slooowly going away although one side is deeper than the other.
I also bought the Viss IPL with the face attachment (along with the hair removal) which arrived day before yesterday and I have to say this was a surprise. I had a lot of ruddiness on my cheeks (kind of like broken caps at the surface) and this did more for them than Baby Q ever did in one treatment. I also treated one broken cap with the PaloVia and it had left one big square stamp right in the middle of my face and this took that right out immediately. So my broken cap isn't "gone" but it is diminished more than it was - so there's hope. That's just in one treatment. It's kind of always bothered me as it's always right there, you know?
My husband had remarked on my face a couple of times about the ruddiness and how bad it looked so I told him I wanted the Viss. He doesn't know I have the PaloVia - I don't think men need to know everything! He did let me do a treatment on him today with the Viss on his face, he plays Golf and he has Sun damage on his face. |
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Mon Apr 25, 2011 8:13 pm |
| MaryClaire wrote: |
Shastagirl,
Did you use the Palo anywhere else besides the undereye and the upper lip areas?
Did you treat anything other than wrinkles?
Thanks! |
I've treated the following areas:
-under eye and crows feet areas (which weren't too bad to start with)
-lip lines (above and below lip)
-smile lines (not exactly NL's, but to the sides of my mouth. This is the area I where I saw the most improvement).
I was mostly treating wrinkles, although I did also try it in a red/slightly indented spot on my cheek which is helped just a little. |
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Sun Sep 18, 2011 12:18 pm |
| ljk wrote: |
Really..I must be a fool to order something I don't have 100% faith in. Palovia should do a batch recall or some sort of announcement to reassure their customers.
I'm glad you got a replacement, Thoughtful! And you're in the UK too Wonder how the Philips device fares next to Palovia, given its specs? |
The Philips device has just launched in the U.K available at the Space NK shops its rather expensive though Here are some prices
Question
How much does RéAura laser skin rejuvenation cost? Are there any further costs?
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The initial starter kit costs €899 or £799, which includes a 60ml tube of laser performance gel, a laser device and a 60ml bottle of laser aftercare complex—as well as the complete RéAura experience.
The laser device can be used to rejuvenate skin regularly, and the gel and aftercare can be replenished at a select store near you or from the retailer’s website. Recommended retail selling prices:
Laser performance gel retails €39 / £35; Laser aftercare complex €49 / £45.
Sorry at that price will have to go with the Palovia. |
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