people who think they dont have crows feet and the cure...
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free skin care · Thu Aug 06, 2009 5:24 pm

I think all this botox is taking away all the expression that makes people so endearing and enjoyable to look at.. Nobody has facial expression any more..

What is most unatural to me is people who are 50 plus, who have that smooth, transparent look, and go out of their way NOT to smile too heartily.. So obvious and sad.

I'm 59 and very proud of the crinkles at the corner of my eyes when in the throes of a full and hearty laugh.. I can't even imagine being so concerned about a little crinkle or 3, that I would resort to botox, to take away the expressions that make me, me.

On the other hand, I have no visible crows feet when relaxed, so I'm luckier than many at this age. But I see nothing wrong with growing older gracefully + naturally.. After all, fake is fake, and many threads here are happy to point out and pick apart, all the celebrities and what they are *having done*. I for one, am happy not to join those ranks..

Just my humble opinion and what's right for moi.. Very Happy

free skin care · Thu Aug 06, 2009 7:51 pm

SusieQ wrote:

I can afford to do this botox thing but don't want to do it. Whats wrong with aging anyway? All this anti this and that drives to me crazy. I am 54 and don't mind my crows feet one bit...besides I use Elizabeth Grant, so I don't need anything else. Very Happy

I would imagine that the majority of people on this Forum are all trying to do the best for their skin and stave off the inevitable. If some choose to take a more aggressive approach, what does it matter? Do what makes you feel good. We're not solving world hunger here. Very Happy

free skin care · Fri Aug 07, 2009 2:40 am

I don't think people should be made to feel bad just because they have crow's feet. Surely it's up to the individual?

As far as I'm concerned, if people want to have Botox, that's fine. But it's also fine if they don't want to or can't afford it.

It upsets me so much that we're now supposed to look perfect at any age. It fuels paranoia and feelings of inadequacy. No wonder so many people suffer from body dysmorphic disorder, and all of those airbrushed images of models and celebrities in magazines don't help either.

As far as I'm concerned, we shouldn't be so concerned with people's physical "flaws". I have no problem with people wanting to improve their looks, but please remember that the only true and lasting beauty is that which is on the inside.

lucyluc wrote:

Yeah I just dont get it when people tell me they dont have crows feet and they are in their 50's!!!! I want to tell them"You have horrible crows feet and you need botox" but of course I would only say that after 3 martinis... Laughing

BUT I DO tell my sisters(in their 50's no less) who say"I dont have crows feet, I just want botox in my forehead...I scream at them..yes you DO!!!!YOU have BAD crows feet and I am here to tell you the truth GET BOTOX!!!! Mad

free skin care · Fri Aug 07, 2009 5:31 am

LLucy wrote:

The smiling crows feet don't bother me as much as the deep furrows between my brows. They are more like two folds of skin. If I stretch the skin out, the lines underneath look like scars. When I'm not smiling, I look like I'm scowling. Is botox a treatment for this, or is there something else?

The reluctance I have about treatments like botox, fillers is that they don't last. I don't enough disposable income to shell out every 3 mos. to keep my face looking unlined. And if I did, I don't know how I'd get past my dislike of needles which borders on phobia.

I have deep furrows between my brows as well - even though I get Botox there, they never completely disappear, my muscles are very strong there apparently. I totally agree with you on the ongoing cost of Botox and fillers - once you start, it's a slippery slope - the cost is ridiculous. I've stopped going to the hairdressers and now cut and colour my own hair just so I can afford to get Botox every now and then.

You might be interested in the Safetox - it's a gadget that's supposed to numb the muscles in a similar way to Botox. I have it (of course!) and think it's great - although they recommend that older women will probably still need the Botox as well but it's supposed to make it last longer. Considering your fear of needles, this could be the gadget for you!

http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewtopic.php?tid=29913

free skin care · Fri Aug 07, 2009 6:00 am

I second the use of the Safetox for the 11's and forehead issues. I don't that it does much for crows feet but it really opens up the face. I also find it helps my headaches and sinus issues.

free skin care · Fri Aug 07, 2009 8:22 am

majorb wrote:

lucyluc wrote:

The reason I talk about wrinkles a lot???Hello!!! This is a beauty board thats why we are here! To learn about 86ing our wrinkles!

I have no problem with talking about wrinkles. I hate my own fine lines and would love to be rid of them! Smile

But I think women should have the choice as to whether they go down the Botox (or other treatment) route and not feel they have to because people will judge them and tell them they look bad if they don't.

It should be their own choice - and some have no choice at all because they can't afford expensive treatments. That's why I would never tell someone that their crow's feet are bad and that they need Botox. There's too much pressure on women to look perfect as it is.

I agree with majorb. We are here to talk about wrinkles, but not to become obsessed about them, because wrinkles do not define a person, his inner world does.

Commenting on other people's wrinkles is not very polite and respectful. Some people do not see their wrinkles and happy , and let them be!
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Fri Aug 07, 2009 1:47 pm

Perhaps I'm being too serious, but I think botox and similar procedures are like religion in some ways. If having botox makes you feel better about yourself, etc. then that is great for you. My problem is when botox believers criticize and ridicule those who choose not to follow their path; or if they try to push their procedures on others who are not interested or willing. This works vice versa, too. Those who don't want botox shouldn't look down upon those who do. Just let everyone make their own choice, and don't feel superior for having made it.

free skin care · Mon Aug 10, 2009 6:34 pm

lucyluc wrote:

http://www.facetoday.com.au/cosmetic-treatment-results/image-gallery-regenerative-medicine.asp here are before/after photos of PRP Kelieu have you not tried facial exercises?That helps to build collagen.

Those B & As look good don't they? Especially the results around the jawline. I wish they'd reveal how many treatments they had though.

Yes, yes, yes, I do do facial exercise, namely, Ageless - plus I use the Tua Viso diligently. I don't have much faith in any of it though.

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