Who is Dr. Huber - 302 Skincare
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free skin care · Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:14 am

{Moderator: This thread relates to skincare discussed at http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=35321. The discussion was split to make the reviews in Product Reviews more manageable to follow.}

Can anyone tell me more about Dr. Huber and his research? I'm interested in what university he took his biochemistry degree, and in what journals he has submitted any of his research.
I have googled him with little result...

free skin care · Tue Sep 01, 2009 1:41 pm

Alien wrote:

SO, I simply DO NOT want to use anything that has NO accountability.

AND, I simply DO NOT want to be subjected to the self-impressed prose of someone who has NO accountability. But it seems like we don't always get what we want.

So like, do people wake up on the wrong side of the bed EVERY morning? If I gave a rat's behind, I guess I could look for published studies to support the obvious.

Yes, people are free to post when and where they want. I agree that some of the posters to this long thread appear superior at first glance. I balked, at first, to being treated like I was 5 when I started to ask questions here but it turns out these women (and man) have more to offer by way of their lengthy experience that could and has been very helpful to me. I also understand their patience with being asked the same questions over and over again. They aren't being "snotty" when they say "go read....", they are being helpful and directive. 95% of this (part 1) massive thread has helpful information and very little fluff. After 8 months of use, I also hear the repetition of questions and the "yeah buts" to guidance. So IMO, the regulars here are saints.

As an example, Bill Gates was a dropout and changed the computer world on it's head. No it wasn't skin care. No, he didn't "say" he was a doctor but his contribution with NO degree can not be denied.

I don't need someone trying to save me from the "perils" of Dr. Huber. If that is your passion, I suggest you put it to better use. Go save a whale or something. At least THAT I could respect.

Fri Sep 04, 2009 9:42 pm

Hi all—I have been following the 302 threads almost from the beginning. As a PhD myself (in Applied Psychology, not Biochemistry), my inclination was to try to look up Dr. Huber’s research (just as I’d expect others to look up mine if I were ever using my credentials as a basis for selling something to others). I had the same experience as some of you—I could not find out anything about him or his research. I couldn’t even find a dissertation under the name “Richard Huber” or “Richard S. Huber” (there’s a database I can access through my University’s library that records virtually all dissertations in North America since the 1930s). While I found this odd, I decided to give the products a try based on the feedback I was reading from other posters. Without going into detail (I plan to write a detailed review one of these days), I will say that I have seen some positive changes in my skin—it certainly doesn’t look any worse than it did before I started using the products.

So, I guess I am saying that I can see both sides of this debate. On the one hand, I don’t ask at the cosmetic counter for the credentials of the biochemists who formulated the products. On the other hand, I would hate to find out that Dr. Huber has misrepresented himself or the ingredients he is using…if he is legit, he should be happy to provide (at least) the place and date of his degree. And he should have a record of publications going back to graduate school that would predate any proprietary issues with the 302 ingredients. It shouldn’t be so hard to get this information.

I will conclude by posing this question to all of you: if you saw an infomercial or read an ad—designed to sell you something—that was being presented by someone who called themselves “Dr.”, and then discovered that the person was a fraud, wouldn’t you feel…well, duped? So to me, that’s the issue. Not whether the ingredients in the products have scientific validation, but whether they are being sold under false pretenses. I am not saying they are, and hopefully Dr Huber will chime in soon and clear all of this up. Believe me, it is not at all unreasonable, insulting, or threatening to be asked about your credentials or past research—that’s what scientists do.

All that said, I will continue to use the products. I like them, and I have been really happy with Daniel’s advice so far.

Cheers all.

free skin care · Fri Sep 04, 2009 10:26 pm

jancb wrote:

Hi all—I have been following the 302 threads almost from the beginning. As a PhD myself (in Applied Psychology, not Biochemistry), my inclination was to try to look up Dr. Huber’s research (just as I’d expect others to look up mine if I were ever using my credentials as a basis for selling something to others). I had the same experience as some of you—I could not find out anything about him or his research. I couldn’t even find a dissertation under the name “Richard Huber” or “Richard S. Huber” (there’s a database I can access through my University’s library that records virtually all dissertations in North America since the 1930s). While I found this odd, I decided to give the products a try based on the feedback I was reading from other posters. Without going into detail (I plan to write a detailed review one of these days), I will say that I have seen some positive changes in my skin—it certainly doesn’t look any worse than it did before I started using the products.

So, I guess I am saying that I can see both sides of this debate. On the one hand, I don’t ask at the cosmetic counter for the credentials of the biochemists who formulated the products. On the other hand, I would hate to find out that Dr. Huber has misrepresented himself or the ingredients he is using…if he is legit, he should be happy to provide (at least) the place and date of his degree. And he should have a record of publications going back to graduate school that would predate any proprietary issues with the 302 ingredients. It shouldn’t be so hard to get this information.

I will conclude by posing this question to all of you: if you saw an infomercial or read an ad—designed to sell you something—that was being presented by someone who called themselves “Dr.”, and then discovered that the person was a fraud, wouldn’t you feel…well, duped? So to me, that’s the issue. Not whether the ingredients in the products have scientific validation, but whether they are being sold under false pretenses. I am not saying they are, and hopefully Dr Huber will chime in soon and clear all of this up. Believe me, it is not at all unreasonable, insulting, or threatening to be asked about your credentials or past research—that’s what scientists do.

All that said, I will continue to use the products. I like them, and I have been really happy with Daniel’s advice so far.

Cheers all.

Point taken. And because you are interested, like Septembergirl, you are free to ask him yourself by contacting him, as has been suggested.

Isn't it fair to say that the purpose of this thread is to discuss skincare? If someone's credentials are of interest, the logical place to verify them is with the individual in question - the reply being much easier to cooborate than thru a vehicle whose existence is for other purposes. Posters to this thread are not that individual.

It's always good to hear someone's positive experience with 302 products. As to your other point, you are encouraged, as is anyone, to consult with the individual in question.
Surely a much faster, easier, more appropriate and direct method than this thread.

free skin care · Sun Sep 06, 2009 6:14 am

My thoughts on some of this:

If a researcher has a concept or product that swims against the conventional tide, there is naturally going to be a lot of skepticism and doubt. This is good - vigorous debate is the best way to seek the truth. If the researcher is content to only share the details of his/her work with a select few - then people are free to take it or leave it - *and* I would suggest that the doubters leave it at some point if they are not satisfied with the results of their own fact checking.

Debating those who have achieved favorable results is even more fruitless in my opinion.

I feel the same way about facial exercise. People report success, but there doesn't seem to be a way to measure it, other than "I am happier with the way my face looks".

Am I going to doubt their happiness? LOL - no, I just back off and let it go.

I have issues with ultrasound technology.

free skin care · Sun Sep 06, 2009 6:26 am

Ok, it cut me off with that last post. I have issues with ultrasound devices as well. There seems to be substantive research indicating that ultrasound technology is beneficial for the skin, but so far, I can't find any studies backing up any of the individual devices. (Please, if anyone has that, let me know).

All of that said, I do believe Richard Huber is onto something, but first let me state that I do not use his products - I don't see a need based on my own skin issues and the availability of other similar topicals.

He is hardly the first to advocate that people should avoid continuous irritation of the epidermis (Google around for that one and have fun while you're at it Wink

)
He is hardly the first to suggest that the problem with many topicals is how to get them to penetrate the epidermis (again Google around and have fun).
He is also not the first to suggest caution with acid based topicals (ditto).

He just seems to have a niche place in the market and so the individual can decide if he/she wants to jump on the wagon - or not. I suppose if I had unresolved skin isues that were not aided by other topicals, I might be tempted to take the same leap.

BF

free skin care · Sun Sep 06, 2009 4:45 pm

Imho, I honestly don't care about published research studies proving that things work. For example, they have found that BP and retin-A works on reducing acne..and a whole lot of other studies. You'd think dermatologists should be able to take care of my acne problems I have suffered for years...but nope, I have been to numerous derm's, been on antibiotics, birth control pills, retin-A and other treatment for acne, none of them really helped. These are all well-validated methods, but they didn't work too well for me, at least not in the long run. Dried my skin out, sensitized it and seemed to make it worse than when the acne was there.

The methods that *have* worked for me better are largely unpublished, much unvalidated methods such as eating lots of fruits and veggies, less peanuts, and sleeping early etc etc. Yes, I mean sleeping EARLIER. And lately, I have added 302 skincare into the mix which before my very eyes, improved the way my skin functioned even with acne recovery rates, skintone, texture etc. I still get acne, but that's a given from the start. The acne is less severe now and there has been a host of other improvements, including skin that is less dry without all those conventional acne treatments. I have seen these results myself and I'm extremely happy with them. So as long as they work for me, I don't need research studies. I think research and published studies aren't everything, there are a lot of limitations with research studies, and unseen confounding factors, interaction effects, buffers, moderators, mediators you name it. Personal characteristics which can't all be controlled for, etc etc etc.

free skin care · Mon Sep 07, 2009 1:13 pm

Hermosa wrote:

I also wonder about boski, though I realize she has been here far long than I (and hence has more credibility) but it was a mite creepy to read post after post of her channeling "Dr H."

Boski's real name is Nancy. I am pretty sure that boski's forum alias onwww.acne.org was "nancypick". I have read quite a few of "nancypick"'s posts, and she talks about the dangers of acids, transition periods when converting to 302Skincare etc. etc. - just like Boski. Those who are interested may want to go to the messageboards onwww.acne.org and search for "nancypick". Then you can judge for yourself whether you believe that "boski" and "nancypick" is the same person.

"Nancypick" was pretty aggressive in marketing 302Skincare on acne.org in 2004 and 2005. The members, as well as the moderators, got fed up with her posts on the forum. Then she tried to recruit members to a new forum onwww.302Skincare.com in 2006, but did not succeed, see this thread:

http://www.acne.org/messageboard/302-protein-drops-t86716.html&hl=nancypick

In April 2008, boski ("nancypick"?) eventually succeeded when she posted a glowing review of 302Skincare on this forum with heavily marketing of Dr Huber and his theories all through the thread. Critical questions about Dr Huber and his "research" were not welcome on that thread at all.

Well, you can all judge for yourself whether you think that the 302Skincare-thread is just a review from one satisfied customer, or a part of a marketing strategy.

free skin care · Mon Sep 07, 2009 4:08 pm

Lexyg (and all).

It is no secret that Nancy/boski has been posting on the acne.com board. She has told about that herself in the 302Skincare thread!

It is a fact that boski/"nancypick" has been heavily marketing the 302Skincare products on various Internet forums for at least five (!) years.

People are free to read boskis and "nancypick"s posts and draw their own conclusions.

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