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Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:10 pm  |
The purpose of this thread is to share user experiences with the Cellese AnteAGE serum & Accelerator. How do you like the products, what are your first impressions and what are the products doing for you.
Samples of the products are now avaialble from the Cellese store:
http://anteage.com/samples/
http://www.cellese.com/store/
So I'm hoping lots of people try the product and weigh in on how they like it.
My very first impression of the products was very good. The packaging and the delivery system are first class. There is a lot of substance to them. The serum is light but somewhat creamy. It’s not a clear liquid like Vitamin C serums. The accelerator is a lotion, it’s not too heavy.
I love the serum. I have been using it for only a week but I really enjoy putting it on and it is hydrating enough for me. It is a very nice serum. I use some Omega 3 oil over it and sunscreen and that is all. I feel like my skin is very clear and it helps reduce redness. My pores seem to be less noticeable too, but I'm not positive about that.
I used the accelerator for only two days but found it made my skin tight and I got some peeling. I believe this is because I use Retin A and the retinol in the accelerator mixed with my Retin A use caused the dryness I experienced.
I think that is good news for those who don't use Retin A and want to use the accelerator, I think the retinol dose will be adequate.
According to the Cellese website …”By replenishing lost cytokines in a topical product on the skin, we are able to effectively reengage your skin’s healing process. Your skin knows how to become more youthful looking – it always has but needs the proper signals. The stem cytokines in AnteAGE are the same ones each of us produces throughout life – a lot when we are young, less and less as we age. Stem Cytokines are 100% natural products.” lines.
I like my skin and think it is pretty good condition so I may not be the best person to test these products. I get compliments on my skin sometimes. I am the kind of person who does get results from products. I know there are people on the forum who do not get results, but I do. About ten years ago I had a bad problem with brown spots on my skin. I started using Skinceuticals CE Ferulic and they started going away. I started using AHA’s and they went away more then I started using Retin A and they went away more so I don’t have a problem with age spots any more. I don’t know what AnteAGE can do for me that other products haven’t already done. I would like my undereye area to look more youthful and my pores to be smaller and to get rid of some redness. Those are the things I’ll be focused on seeing if I experience any results from AnteAGE. I’m also interested in prevention. Will my skin look better five years from now if I continue to use these products than it would look if I didn’t use the products? In short, do I really NEED these products, no. I’m just really curious and like to try new things every once in a while.
Here are the ingredients:
Serum
Ingredients: Mesenchymal Stem
Cell Cytokines, Water (Aqua), Palmitoyl
Oligopeptide, Niacinamide
(Vitamin B3), Palmitoyl
Tetrapeptide-7, PPG-3 Benzyl
Myristate, Dimethyl Isosorbide,
Carnosine, Hydrolyzed Myrtus
Communis (True Myrtle) Leaf
Extract, Polyacrylate-13, Camellia
Sinensis (Green Tea) Leaf
Extract, Maltodextrin, Ilex
Paraguariensis (Paraguay) Leaf
(Yerba Mate) Extract, Cetearyl
Ethylhexanoate, Polyisobutene,
Phenoxyethanol (Preservative),
Caprylyl Glycol (Naturally
Derived Preservative),
Polysorbate-20 (Plant Derived),
Chlorphenesin, Tetrasodium
EDTA, Citric Acid (Naturally
Derived)
Accelerator
Ingredients: Mesenchymal Stem Cell
Cytokines, Water (Aqua), Glycerin
(Plant Derived), C12-15 Alkyl Benzoate,
PPG-3 Benzyl Myristate, Carthamus
Tinctorius (Safflower) Seed Oil, Alcohol,
Cetearyl Alcohol (Plant Derived),
Tocopheryl Acetate (Vitamin E
Acetate), Polysorbate-20 (Plant
Derived), Cetearyl Glucoside,
Tetrahexyldecyl Ascorbate (Vitamin C
Ester), Simmondsia Chinensis (Jojoba)
Seed Oil, Limnanthes Alba
(Meadowfoam) Seed Oil, Essential Oils,
Dimethyl Isosorbide, Butylene Glycol,
Polysorbate-60 (Plant Derived),
Glyceryl Stearate (Plant Derived),
Lecithin, Hydroxyethyl
Acrylate/Sodium Acryloyl Dimethyl
Taurate Copolymer, Soybean
Glycerides, Arachidyl Alcohol, Soy
Isoflavones, Phenoxyethanol
(Preservative), Helianthus Annuus
(Hybrid Sunflower) Oil, Butyrospermum
Parkii (Shea Butter) Fruit, Bisabolol,
Arbutin, Caprylyl Glycol (Naturally
Derived Preservative), Behenyl Alcohol,
Lonicera Japonica (Honeysuckle)
Extract (Natural Preservative),
Foeniculum Vulgare (Fennel) Fruit
Extract, Camellia Oleifera (ORGANIC)
Black Tea, Algae (Seaweed) Extract,
Xanthan Gum (Natural Thickener),
Saccharum Officinarum (Sugar Cane),
Chlorphenesin, Squalane (Plant
Derived), Retinol (Vitamin A),
Ubiquinone (Coenzyme Q10),
Panthenol (Pro-Vitamin B5), Allantoin
(Comfrey Root Derived), Citrus Medica
Limonum (Lemon) Fruit Extract, Citrus
Aurantium Dulcis (Sweet Neroli
Orange) Fruit, Tetrasodium EDTA,
Pyrus Malus (Apple) Fruit Juice,
Sodium Hyaluronate, Camellia Sinensis
(Green Tea) Leaf Extract, Arachidyl
Glucoside, Vitis Vinifera (Grape) Seed
Extract, Salix Alba (Willow) Bark
Extract, Vaccinium Myrtillus (Bilberry)
Extract, Phyllanthus Emblica (Amla)
Extract, Thioctic Acid (a-Lipoic Acid),
Sodium Hydroxide (pH Modifier) |
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Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:22 pm |
| brierrose wrote: |
Thanks Jom for starting this thread and for your initial impression of these products.
I ordered AnteAge serum & Accelerator today...so looking forward to using these products!
I will be using up the LifeLine serum first so it will be awhile before giving any feedback but I'll be able to compare the two of them.
I am hoping it helps my undereye area also and some extra firming would be nice 
Have you noticed any sensitivity from using around the eye area? |
Hi brierrose, it is not giving me any problem under my eyes. It's a hydrating serum. I tried a sample of the Lifeline and it stung my skin a little the first time I put it on and it made my undereye area look dry and dehydrated. I don't have that problem with the AnteAGE serum.
I forgot to say, the AnteAGE products make my skin very smooth and soft. I noticed it on the days when I used both products but even just using the serum makes my skin soft and smooth to the touch. |
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Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:19 pm |
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| For any interested in such things, there is a new post on BFT that purports to review AnteAGE. The first part is really just a brief history. Of course we will get accused of crass commercialism. But then we are hardly new to taking heat. |
If anyone wants to accuse Dr. J of crass commercialism please do so at BFT. Let's keep this thread about the products and discuss only parts of the "review" that are about the products. Dr. J I hope you will publish any posts at BFT that are critical so you can debate it out over there. |
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 3:56 am |
| DragonN - you might want to do some reading of the sticky thread containing articles on dermarolling. The general consensus of opinion is that there is nothing gained by using anything longer than a 1.5mm roller - but there is a greater risk of damage (in a home-use situation). |
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:29 am |
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Hi Jom,
You are about two weeks in, is that right? What are the differences that you see so far?
I have samples on order. I plan to test using a .25m dermaroller with the serum to enhance penetration. I realize that with the samples I will not see any changes (due to size) but I want to see how my skin reacts. |
Hi erg, I've been using the products for only 12 days but I like how my skin looks, even with just using the serum once per day. I do tend to get results from products. I think my skin just looks brighter and my pores are smaller and rednesss is diminished. I also like how my underye area is looking. The serum is hydrating so I think it is helping to plump up the lines under my eyes so the area looks better. The serum does make my skin soft and smooth too. |
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Mon Apr 23, 2012 7:14 pm |
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| ......I look for products aimed at barrier repair to use during the day. Those with cholesterol, ceramides, and essential/nonessential free fatty acids......I don't want a DIY product...... |
DIY, pretty easy:
http://www.lotioncrafter.com/sk-influx-v.html
INCI: Ceramide 3 (and) Ceramide 6 (and) Ceramide I (and) Phytosphingosine (and) Cholesterol (and) Sodium Lauroyl Lactylate (and) Carbomer (and) Xanthan Gum |
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Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:03 pm |
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| Just BM-MSC, ceramides, cholesterol, other barrier repair stuff and the oils. |
I am more interested in having the skin do its job better. i.e. produce its own ceramides. Which is what it does quite well with the correct cofactors present. Also present in AnteAge. Up regulate endogenous production as opposed to exogenous application, which may act to down regulate in a reverse feedback mechanism. Balance. More is not better. Work with cell physiology and the mechanisms of repair as opposed to applying a bandage that isn't necessary.
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DragoN or Dr. J - can either if you please share how AnteAGE is similar/different/better than Estee Lauder Advanced Night Repair?
That was going to be the next product that I added to my regimen, but I am open to possibly changing that. |
Bethany, definitely I would suggest AnteAge over EL. EL is missing too many key players. It will be only moderately helpful, more along the lines of a slightly inspired moisturizer, but that would be about it. The EL focus is moisture enhancing with a couple actives. Pull and hold water in the skin = reduction of fine lines. Every body happy. But, it's a trick. It's temporary. No real fundamental physiological changes.
1.0 oz WATER\AQUA\EAU, BIFIDA FERMENT LYSATE, METHYL GLUCETH-20, PEG-75, BUTYLENE GLYCOL, BIS-PEG-18 METHYL ETHER DIMETHYL SILANE, ARABIDOPSIS THALIANA EXTRACT, TRIPEPTIDE-32, ETHYLHEXYL METHOXYCINNAMATE, LACTOBACILLUS FERMENT, COLA ACUMINATA (KOLA) EXTRACT, RETINYL PALMITATE, PANTETHINE, CAFFEINE, GLYCERETH-26, SODIUM RNA, SQUALANE, OLETH-3 PHOSPHATE, OLETH-3, OLETH-5, BISABOLOL, CHOLETH-24, CETETH-24, HYDROGENATED LECITHIN, ANTHEMIS NOBILIS (CHAMOMILE), SODIUM HYALURONATE, TOCOPHERYL ACETATE, LECITHIN, XANTHAN GUM, TEA-CARBOMER, TRISODIUM EDTA, BHT, PHENOXYETHANOL, METHYLPARABEN, BENZYL ALCOHOL, GREEN 5 (CI 61570), YELLOW 5 (CI 19140), RED 4 (CI 14700)
AnteAge, is a treatment..not a moisturizer. I am biased, I am very familiar with the actives in AnteAge, I know they are effective with or without the BM MSC cytokines. Win win if you are not inclined to DIY. |
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Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:10 pm |
Bethany, I tried EL and it did nothing at all. I used to love Remergent, but saw nothing like it in the EL product.
I liked Lifeline and am currently giving Cellese a go, so far I'm liking it. My skin is very calm and balanced, noticeably so. It is too early to tell what the end result will be in a month or more.
I did like Lifeline's SPF ingredient because then I did not need any SS or tinted moisturizer--my skin looked good with just the Day product on. With Cellese I have to wear SPF over it which makes more layers on my skin. I won't call it a downside exactly, but I did like just putting on one layer and going for the day. |
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 2:55 am |
For Jom.
Nicotinamide increases biosynthesis of ceramides as well as other stratum corneum lipids to improve the epidermal permeability barrier.
Tanno O, Ota Y, Kitamura N, Katsube T, Inoue S.
Source
Basic Research Laboratory, Kanebo Ltd, 5-3-28 Kotobuki-cho, Odawara-shi, Kanagawa 250-0002, Japan.
Abstract
BACKGROUND:
Stratum corneum lipids, particularly ceramides, are important components of the epidermal permeability barrier that are decreased in atopic dermatitis and aged skin.
OBJECTIVES:
We investigated the effects of nicotinamide, one of the B vitamins, on biosynthesis of sphingolipids, including ceramides and other stratum corneum lipids, in cultured normal human keratinocytes, and on the epidermal permeability barrier in vivo.
METHODS:
The rate of sphingolipid biosynthesis was measured by the incorporation of [14C]-serine into sphingolipids.
RESULTS:
When the cells were incubated with 1-30 micromol L-1 nicotinamide for 6 days, the rate of ceramide biosynthesis was increased dose-dependently by 4.1-5. 5-fold on the sixth day compared with control. Nicotinamide also increased the synthesis of glucosylceramide (7.4-fold) and sphingomyelin (3.1-fold) in the same concentration range effective for ceramide synthesis. Furthermore, the activity of serine palmitoyltransferase (SPT), the rate-limiting enzyme in sphingolipid synthesis, was increased in nicotinamide-treated cells. Nicotinamide increased the levels of human LCB1 and LCB2 mRNA, both of which encode subunits of SPT. This suggested that the increase in SPT activity was due to an increase in SPT mRNA. Nicotinamide increased not only ceramide synthesis but also free fatty acid (2.3-fold) and cholesterol synthesis (1.5-fold). Topical application of nicotinamide increased ceramide and free fatty acid levels in the stratum corneum, and decreased transepidermal water loss in dry skin.
CONCLUSIONS:
Nicotinamide improved the permeability barrier by stimulating de novo synthesis of ceramides, with upregulation of SPT and other intercellular lipids.
You don't need to apply a ceramide mix unless you are suffering a dermal disease. You can up regulate your own endogenous production. It's really quite effective in a healthy individual. Also helpful for those that suffer from various diseases. There are sharp decreases in intercellular lipids after age 40 resulting in more susceptibility to dry skin conditions. However, it seems that can be reversed. N=1...it can be done.
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| DragoN, I would be interested in hearing what you think would be the perfect anti-aging skin regimen for middle aged women, with AnteAGE as the core product. What would be needed to round it out? (other than sunscreen of curse) |
An SS packed with anti aging actives? If I knew exactly the concentration of everything in DrJ's mix, which he has stated is at clinically effective levels in the AnteAge serums...I could perhaps cobble a better answer together. I am not a fan of Tetra C and I am partial to my C serums under my SS. I like to create my anti aging war fare.
I like the serums. They are good, my skin is calm and that's saying something. Any other products on my face generally cause problems for me. This has not. But,it's also very similar to my jungle juju anyways.
Want to thank you for the link to the rolling thread Bethany, I had not read the info you had posted previously. Are you still rolling? |
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If you make, first do no harm, your Law, you will never strike the first blow and will be known as a man of peace who can fight like ten tigers, a Human in the act of Being. There is no greater rank than this. Ashida Kim on War.~Cellese~AnteAge Serum and Accelerator, DermaRoller ,MyFawnie AA2G serum, KNN G ForceUltrasound., SEA, ChrySun 25% ZnO |
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:42 am |
| DragoN wrote: |
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DragoN or Dr. J - can either if you please share how AnteAGE is similar/different/better than Estee Lauder Advanced Night Repair?
That was going to be the next product that I added to my regimen, but I am open to possibly changing that. |
Bethany, definitely I would suggest AnteAge over EL. EL is missing too many key players. It will be only moderately helpful, more along the lines of a slightly inspired moisturizer, but that would be about it. The EL focus is moisture enhancing with a couple actives. Pull and hold water in the skin = reduction of fine lines. Every body happy. But, it's a trick. It's temporary. No real fundamental physiological changes.
AnteAge, is a treatment..not a moisturizer. I am biased, I am very familiar with the actives in AnteAge, I know they are effective with or without the BM MSC cytokines. Win win if you are not inclined to DIY. |
I was under the impression that Dr. Yarosh's research into DNA and skin aging was very well respected. Are you saying that all he has done is develop a reasonable moisturiser and that his products have no other benefit? |
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 7:04 pm |
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Apologies if this has already been asked/covered, but what kind of delivery system is required for cytokines to be effective?
BTW, I ordered samples last night.  |
Bethany, the delivery system is by nanoliposomes. |
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Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:00 am |
@ Jom
Honestly?
Kitchen sink of actives at well below sub clinically effective levels, bolloxed together in a silicon feel good cross polymer mess.
Probably charging 60-75 US for it due to the cacophony of peptides.
If you held a gun to my head and forced a choice between that and EL? I would DIY it for better effect. |
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If you make, first do no harm, your Law, you will never strike the first blow and will be known as a man of peace who can fight like ten tigers, a Human in the act of Being. There is no greater rank than this. Ashida Kim on War.~Cellese~AnteAge Serum and Accelerator, DermaRoller ,MyFawnie AA2G serum, KNN G ForceUltrasound., SEA, ChrySun 25% ZnO |
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Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:18 am |
| Puzzles me too as I have found the cream on the internet. On what is the assumption that the actives are not present at clinical levels based? |
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Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:30 am |
This new line sounds amazing, any more results to report?
I must admit trying to read all the science has been a hat trick (much less understanding it ), its on so many different threads now, its taken me 3 days to find and finally get through all of it. Its pretty impressive to read it all, so thanks for all your hard work (everyone)!!! Incase anyone else is as confused as I have been, I am posting the title to the threads , hope this helps others who are interested in all this: (perhaps a wiser member can post the links, I am not sure how to do this)
1. ISCO Stemcell: Lifeline Skincare - skincare forum
2. Cellese AnteAGE System - skincare forum
3. Ingredient Spotlight: Renovage/teprenone & EGG - skincare forum
4. Let's Make a List/Name that Fantastic Active - skincare forum
5. DNA Repair - Do we need it? skincare forum
Can't wait to hear more on results! |
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Wed Apr 25, 2012 10:37 am |
| rileygirl wrote: |
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@ Jom
Honestly?
Kitchen sink of actives at well below sub clinically effective levels |
Dragon, I am curious how you know the actives are well below sub clinical levels? I mean what gives that away? When looking at Dr J's formula, it also looks like a kitchen sink of actives that (if we didn't know by him telling us) would look well below clinical levels, right? So, how can you tell when actives are not in a product at the right levels? |
Excellent question, I'm curious too. And, it costs $125. |
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Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:35 pm |
| jom wrote: |
| rileygirl wrote: |
| DragoN wrote: |
@ Jom
Honestly?
Kitchen sink of actives at well below sub clinically effective levels |
Dragon, I am curious how you know the actives are well below sub clinical levels? I mean what gives that away? When looking at Dr J's formula, it also looks like a kitchen sink of actives that (if we didn't know by him telling us) would look well below clinical levels, right? So, how can you tell when actives are not in a product at the right levels? |
Excellent question, I'm curious too. And, it costs $125. |
I feel as if we've reached a point where if it doesn't contain cytokines or if it's not DIYed by Dragon, then it's useless - along with the science behind it!
I'm also interested in this concept of DIY cytokines. I understand that they must be delivered by some kind of liposomal delivery system - is this going to be made available in DIY form also? |
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Wed Apr 25, 2012 4:20 pm |
| DrJ wrote: |
| jom wrote: |
Dr.J and DragoN, What do you think of this moisturizer?
Water (Aqua), Helianthus Annuus (Sunflower) Seed Oil, Squalane, Butylene Glycol, Diglycerin, Dimethicone, Glyceryl Stearate, PEG-100 Stearate, Cetearyl Alcohol, Glycerin, C12-15 Alkyl Benzoate, Isopropyl Isostearate, Hexanoyl Dipeptide-3 Norleucine Acetate, Palmitoyl Oligopeptide, Palmitoyl Tripeptide-5, Ceramide 2, Dipalmitoyl Hydroxyproline, Hydroxyphenyl Propamidobenzoic Acid, Epilobium Angustifolium Flower/Leaf/Stem Extract, Sodium Hyaluronate, Pyrus Malus (Apple) Fruit Extract, Glucosamine HCl, Bambusa Vulgaris Extract, Pisum Sativum (Pea) Extract, Soy Isoflavones, Hydrolyzed Soy Protein, Ursolic Acid, Ilomastat, Ubiquinone, Tocopheryl Acetate, Tocopherol, Panthenol, Olea Europaea (Olive) Leaf Extract, Camellia Oleifera (Green Tea) Leaf Extract, Lycium Barbarum (Goji) Fruit Extract, Ethylhexyl Palmitate, Silica Dimethyl Silylate, Tribehenin, PEG-10 Rapeseed Sterol, Pentylene Glycol , Ceteareth-20, Steareth-2, Lecithin, Acrylates/C10-30 Alkyl Acrylate Crosspolymer, Aminomethyl Propanol, Disodium EDTA, Phenoxyethanol, Methylparaben, Propylparaben, Butylparaben, Isobutylparaben, Ethylparaben, Fragrance. |
As a moisturizer ? -- really hard for me to read that (not being a formulation chemist). But quite a few familiar emollients & oils & emulsifier . Nice list of actives too, including some of my favorites, although a couple key ones missing (like stem cytokines). Who makes it? What's it cost? |
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@ Jom
Honestly?
Kitchen sink of actives at well below sub clinically effective levels, bolloxed together in a silicon feel good cross polymer mess.
Probably charging 60-75 US for it due to the cacophony of peptides.
If you held a gun to my head and forced a choice between that and EL? I would DIY it for better effect. |
Especially with Jom & Riley in mind..
The ingredient list quoted is from the MLA Skincare line developed by Dr Mary Lee American, who is a board certified dermatoloagist. This particular product is called "MLA Power Cream". The cost is $125. (US) for 1.70oz
The line uses a proprietary "Perfect 9 Complex" of ingredients in all products, with each also containing specific ingredients beneficial for different skin needs.
Read more here:
http://www.mlaskincare.com/store/merchant.mvc?Screen=perfectnineingredients&Store_Code=mlaskincare
"Future Derm" gives the line a thumbs up, and gives this particular product an 8/10 rating and states "a high concentration of proven effective ingredients". Scroll down for Power Cream review:
http://www.futurederm.com/2010/07/07/mla-skin-care-review/
For those interested in learning about interpreting cosmetic ingredient lists, there is a wealth of info on thewww. For now you would probably go far in just knowing that;
- ingredients must be declared in descending order of predominance
- if the formula contains anything that is also a *drug* it must be listed 1st, and labeled as an "active ingredient".
- any ingredient that is present at 1% or less, does NOT have to be in order of predominance..(This is where the manufacturer can get away with fooling you into believing an ingredient is in there at a benficial level, when in fact it is mearly a "dusting" but makes it on the list none the less.)
Here's the FDA's guidelines for cosmetics:
http://www.fda.gov/Cosmetics/CosmeticLabelingLabelClaims/CosmeticLabelingManual/ucm126438.htm
For DIY'ers or those interested in the scientific side of formulating, I'll share the link to Cosmetic Corner once again:
http://chemistscorner.com/cosmeticsciencetalk/
Starting at pg 12 of this pdf is a good start for learning about placement on the ingredient list; (Don't miss the 1% rule! Also keep in mind that the best the forumula has to offer, will surely be in the top 1/3rd of the list..)
http://www.chemistscorner.com/downloads/duplicatecosmetics.pdf
Learning without thought is labor lost, thought without learning is perilous..
@Keliu, finding ourselves a nice young lactating woman, and asking her to part with a nice *bottle* of that lovely "stem cell/cytokines" rich milk that we could smear on our face, would be a better alternative than anything that will come down the pike for DIY....  |
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Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:42 pm |
| jom wrote: |
| Keliu wrote: |
I feel as if we've reached a point where if it doesn't contain cytokines or if it's not DIYed by Dragon, then it's useless - along with the science behind it!
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I think we just have to keep in mind that those are their biases and evaluate their opinions with that in mind. I have my biases about what I think is most effective too and when I give advice or suggestions or provide information my biases shine through. |
I think it's a little different when biases equate to $$$ in the pocket... Just MHO
It's also a red flag to me when vendors or manufacturers of *products*, put everything and everybody down, who doesn't follow their lead as though they were the Pied Piper.. Kind of telling if you ask me... Not to mention blatantly obvious!
Lets face it, when something is good it will stand on it's own merit and stand the test of time... No need to brow beat the competition or be insulting, rude and condescending. Anyhoo, that's MHO. |
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♥I'm flattered by all the lovely PM's, but I don't get here much these days. Please don't be afraid to post your quearies to other DIY members who will be glad to help you (or sell you their wares..lol) Still happy with LED, dermarolling and a DIY antioxidant regime. Peace & Hugs to all.♥ |
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Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:42 am |
I still don't see the problem. It would be if it was the main ingredient, and the moisturizing cream did not contain any other actives, but as a component in a moisturizerit makes perfect sense. Why not make your skin feel soft and smooth while the other components are doing their job underneath I say. It's not a serum, it's a day cream.
Of course I understand perfectly that anything that doesn't contain stem cell cytokines is crap, and that all the lovely ingredients listed underneath the retinol (0.2 percent) do a wonderful job in the accelerator. |
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Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:09 am |
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Kassy, thank you very, very much for the info!
Does this mean that if something is a drug or active, it will be stated as first ingredient, even if there is not much in it? |
In which case water is the active ingredient in the product under discussion. |
You both misunderstood..
From the FDA link on previous page;
Cosmetics which are also drugs must first identify the drug ingredient(s) as "active ingredient(s)" before listing the cosmetic ingredients (21 CFR 701.3(d)).
As far as I can see nothing qualifies as an "active" in anything under discussion in this thread..
@DrJ, would you please share with us the % of water in both of your products? I see water listed 2nd in both ingredient lists and Mesenchymal Stem Cell Cytokines listed 1st.
From my research and understanding, "water" is typically 70 to 90% in a formulation.. |
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Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:06 pm |
Thank you! |
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Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:24 am |
| Here's what I don't get about the ingredients. Isn’t the point of this product the MSC cytokines? If the cytokines are really as powerful/helpful/special as what DrJ is purporting, then aren’t the remaining ingredients just a nice bonus – because what you are really interested in is the performance of the cytokines - which is the one thing you can't get in other products? I’m actually confused as to why it is necessary to have all these other great ingredients if the cytokines are capable of doing so much. It seems to me that the presence of so many other ingredients can interfere with judging the performance of the product since good results can be attributed to the other ingredients and not the cytokines. Or am I missing something? |
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Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:44 am |
that makes great sense Panda. Imagine how big the label will need to be to host all that.
Seriously I would love to try this stuff. By the time it is available in UK there should be many reviews from people that have actually used it for a decent amount of time. Therefore I will know whether it is worth spending my money on. |
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Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:23 am |
| Panda1 wrote: |
| Here's what I don't get about the ingredients. Isn’t the point of this product the MSC cytokines? If the cytokines are really as powerful/helpful/special as what DrJ is purporting, then aren’t the remaining ingredients just a nice bonus – because what you are really interested in is the performance of the cytokines - which is the one thing you can't get in other products? I’m actually confused as to why it is necessary to have all these other great ingredients if the cytokines are capable of doing so much. It seems to me that the presence of so many other ingredients can interfere with judging the performance of the product since good results can be attributed to the other ingredients and not the cytokines. Or am I missing something? |
I think you've made a good point, Panda.
I'm interested and like a lot of the other ing. & how they work in concert together but personally it's the MSC cytokines that I am most interested in as being the main *active*. |
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Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:45 am |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
| I asked a simple question period! |
Join the club! Look at what my "simple" questions have been met with...  
Maybe we should 'bump' the other thread for questions, since this is really for "product reviews"..
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewtopic.php?tid=45271
Sorry 'Jom' ...  |
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