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Sat Jun 09, 2012 7:09 pm  |
So I went over to Berkeley today and met with Marie Veronique. She is a lovely woman with great skin and it was such a beautiful day here in the Bay Area today - very sunny and not too hot. I learned a lot from her. She has formulated a new retinol 1% product that is all done it's just with the marketing people. While I was over there she was whipping up a batch so she gave me a full 1 oz. bottle of it for free! She says that in her research she is finding that retinol is better for aging skin that Retin A. Retin A is good for young people with acne but retinol is a more gentle alternative to Retin A and better for aging. She says it is the law of diminishing returns you get to a certain point with Retin A and it just isn't worth it anymore. One percent retinol is more effective for aging skin than Retin A.
When I walked in she was in the middle of a speech on Vitamin C. She sells these capsules of Vitamn C - l-ascorbic acid. She says that l-ascorbic acid is the ONLY form of Vitamin C that is effective (emphasis hers). She was adamant about this. She says in order for Vitamin C to be effective it has to 1) be l-ascorbic acid, 2) be at least 10% concentration and 3) be fresh. She sells capsules of Vitamin C powder, l-ascorbic acid at 10%. She has put a LOT of research into her ingredients and her products.
She cannot get excited about cleansers. She didn't even try to sell me one of hers she said I don't need it. She said in the morning all you have to do is rinse your face with water. If you wash with soap you're 50% less protected. At night, she said to cleanse with an oil.
She also has said that in her research she has found that using a sunscreen that has antioxidants in it is more effective than those that do not have antioxidants.
She recommends using her new 1% retinol product with the Vitamin C capsules at night. She said to break open a capsule and mix it with the serum and apply it. Or use any other serum or oil as a base. So I bought some of the capsules to experiment with. She says l-ascorbic acid stays on your skin for three days so you can go a few days without using the Vitamin C (I know not new news for EDSers).
The routine she recommended for me was:
AM
rinse with water
use Anti Aging+ oil (which I have)
sunscreen
PM
cleanse
Anti Aging+ oil
retinol serum mixed with Vitamin C capsules
I bought the Vitamn C capsules and the moisturizing sunscreen in light. She was not big on trying to sell me products.
The sunscreen application goes on better with an oil or moisturizer underneath it.
She says what a lot of folks on this forum say, that when it comes to anti aging the only two ingredients that are PROVEN are Retin A/retinol and Vitamin C (l-ascorbic acid).
Her Vitamin C capsules also contain niacinamide, n-acetyl glucosamine and alpha lipoic acid.
I believe most of this information is on her website I just have not read her website in its' entirety.
As a side note, I don't know if I was more excited about talking to Marie or about the great suction hooks I found at the Crate and Barrel Outlet today. Just place them on the wall and push back on a clip and the hook magically clings to the wall! Just what I needed and only 3 bucks! |
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Sun Jun 10, 2012 5:02 am |
Hi jom, yes, thank you 
She says that in her research she is finding that retinol is better for aging skin that Retin A. Did she explain why? we have seen other links to this here recently.
She says that l-ascorbic acid is the ONLY form of Vitamin C that is effective (emphasis hers). She was adamant about this. S Did she explain why the others are not effective...I mean there is research on the others, so would love to know her rationale.
If you wash with soap you're 50% less protected. At night, she said to cleanse with an oil. yes, corroborated elsewhere.
She also has said that in her research she has found that using a sunscreen that has antioxidants in it is more effective than those that do not have antioxidants. yes, corroborated elsewhere. Thought her write up was good on her site, did she add anything further?
Hey, good deal on the hooks! 
BFG |
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Sun Jun 10, 2012 12:36 pm |
| Will do, Darkmoon! |
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Sun Jun 10, 2012 2:34 pm |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
| CookieD wrote: |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
| ShastaGirl wrote: |
| CookieD wrote: |
| I'm wondering if I could just mix the powder I have already from SA. I bought it a while ago but could never get into the DIY thing but I might be able to use it if it's easy like just mix with water or serum everyday. Thanks. |
I buy the DIY L-AA powder and mix it into serums. It makes for a cost effective fresh vit c mix. Two tricks to this:
1) make sure you get very fine L-AA and mix it in well to your serum. I just mix it in the palm of my hand and apply.
2) you need to get the amount right between the serum and the l-AA. I have a little scoop I use that gives me about 15% l-AA with the drops of serum I use. I'm not sensitive to l-AA so my skin is good with anything between 10-25%. I don't need exact, I prefer it freshly mixed. If you are sensitive, you should focus on the kits that give you pre-measured amounts. |
Lotioncrafters sells perfect scoops for doing this, just make sure to get the small ones! |
Thanks ShastaGirl,DM,Jom for the information.
Dark Moon,if you use the little scoop from LC is that the same as putting 15% in a serum like ShastaGirl is saying?
I do like the idea of the capsule being permeasured but it seems so expensive for something you can buy so cheap. But it does have some other ingredients in it that I like. |
Hi Cookie
If I remember correctly those are 15%, I have purchased them from LC just for DIY. (they are great for adding pigments to make up) 
I have a few that came with products (ages ago) both by Philosophy and Alloette that you used their C powder with their serum.
These are exactly the same size! you can always up it with an extra 1/8-1/4 scoop if you want a stronger C!
HTH |
Thanks Dark Moon |
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Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:30 pm |
| rileygirl wrote: |
No, but I will. I have 1 to try though, so there really won't be anything to report.  |
They sent you only one capsule ... well, you might report irritation? |
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Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:18 pm |
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| jom, do you have their Anti Aging Oil plus? Does it contain anything else except "essential fatty acids from emu, krill and kiwi seed"? |
Hi RS,
Not jom but from the MVO site:
Anti-Aging Oil
Simmondsia chinensis (jojoba) oil, Vitus viniferi (grapeseed) oil, Prunus armeniaca (apricot kernel) oil, Helianthus annuus (sunflower) oil, Borago officinalis (borage) oil, Oenotherus biennis (evening primrose) oil, Tocopherol (vitamin E), Vaccinium macrocarpon (cranberry) seed oil, Rubus idaeus (red raspberry) seed oil, Rosa rubignosa (rosehip) seed oil, Calophyllum inophyllum (tamanu) oil, Euterpe oleracea (acai) oil, Actinidia deliciosa (kiwi) seed oil, Hippophae rhamnoides (sea buckthorn) oil, Rosmarinus officinalis (rosemary oleoresin), Daucus carota (carrot) seed essential oil, Cistum ladanifer (cistus) essential oil, Boswellia carterii (frankincense) essential oil, Cymbopogon martini (palmarosa) essential oil
Anti-Aging Oil +
Simmondsia chinensis (jojoba oil), Vitus viniferi (grapeseed oil, expeller-pressed), Prunus armeniaca (apricot kernel oil), Limnanthes alba (meadowfoam seed oil), Argania spinosa (argan oil), Rubus fruticosus (blackberry seed oil), Borago officinalis (borage oil), emu oil, Oenotherus biennis (evening primrose oil), Sclerocarya birrea (marula oil), Rosa rubignosa (rosehip seed oil), Tocopherol (vitamin E), Rubus idaeus (black raspberry seed oil), Vaccinium macrocarpon (cranberry seed oil), Actinidia deliciosa (kiwi seed oil), Hippophae rhamnoides (sea buckthorn oil), Calophyllum inophyllum (Tamanu oil), lecithin, Rosmarinus officinalis (rosemary oleoresin), lycopene, Euphasia superba (krill oil), Daucus carota (carrot seed) essential oil, Lavendula angustfolia (lavender) essential oil, Rosa damascene (rose essential oil, Pelargonium graveolens (rose geranium essential oil), Helichrysum italicum (helichrysum) essential oil, Citrus aurantium bigaradia (neroli) essential oil, Cananga odorata (ylang ylang) essential oil
http://www.mvorganics.com/collections/replenish |
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Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:48 am |
LAA is water soluble (so it can't dissolve in oil) and has to have a PH of <3.5 in order for it to be effective. Niacinimide has a PH of 4>. I don't see how a skilled formulator would put them together. 
Regarding Vitamin C capsules, has anyone here tried the Neostrata 10% Vitamin C capsules? I'm curious about them. |
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Sat Jun 23, 2012 11:01 am |
I think reading the actual paper that lists the carcinogens would be more helpful than reading vendor's interpretation of it.
http://monographs.iarc.fr/ENG/Publications/techrep42/index.php
Last paragraph says clearly that this particular monograph does not pertain sunscreens. At least that's what I read.
Powder and spray sunscreens would be the exception in this case, but that those are no good is almost common knowledge. Even the ones with zinc in them, just because zinc particulates haven't been listed as carcinogenic or toxic yet doesn't mean they are harmless. I'm pretty sure I could find a boatload of incriminating evidence against zinc oxide, how it damages enteric walls, lung cells, disturbs cytokine balance and so on. Imagine using that as a sunscreen! 
However, it's rather difficult to breathe in liquid sunscreen. I'm sure someone would manage, but I'm not concerned that if I'd use titanium dioxide sunscreen I'd grow lung or enteric tumors. Even if I was a tiny rodent. Or a fish.
The Gulston study doesn't seem as alarming to me either. It really was a small amount.
http://www.researchonline.mq.edu.au/vital/access/manager/Repository/mq:14632;jsessionid=763752E44D7EC23143816BC6C6848BE9?exact=subject%3A%22zinc+isotopes%22
I'm not a huge fan of nano particles in sunscreens, but not because I worry about my internal organs would suffer. To damage those I'd need to inhale or swallow sunscreen, as the data referenced by MVO clearly states. My reason for steering clear of nanos is their lousy UVA protection.
To me, this MVO blog entry seems very biased. It screams, don't buy any other sunscreens, only ours is safe! |
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