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Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:19 am  |
Hey ladies and BluesHeart, I've been using some of the products for just over a week now - I know it's not very long but I can tell almost immediately (within two days), if a product's going to cause problems.
To test, I started out only using the Essential Mask on the trip out to the UK. First, I washed with the Cleansing Milk mixed w/a bit of the Scrub. I left the Essential Mask on the whole flight then rinsed it off about a hour prior to landing. Then, I applied Vita Kombi 2 and the eye cream. No problems with that and it definitely made a difference in how I looked upon arrival.
During this last week, I've only used the Vita Kombi 2 over spritzed face (only AM) and the eye cream (AM & PM). What I experienced is exactly like BluesHeart and others described with weird, hard breakouts (?) that popped up here and there. They easily resolved with my Zit Buster Serum BUT the real difference happened when I started using the Cleansing Milk/Scrub in the AM (just added it yesterday so did this twice so far). Now, I'm having no breakouts at all and things are looking really good.
My pores are shrinking! It's starting nearest my nose and working outward. My pores are also staying clear and uncongested!
One interesting note is that I've been indulgent while here (partying) and my skin doesn't look worse for wear like it would normally. Not that this is a recommendation to party it up but I think it's good to know that the products combat toxic elements (environment would be affected, too) so it's a positive thing, IMO.
I am slowly adding products in to see how my skin reacts and have the Chocolate Cream but have not used it yet - will report later on that. In regard to oily skin, I have it in spades but it's being controlled very well with Karin Herzog and I'm not doing anything out of the ordinary - still using my Sofina Nuance Up SS and MMU. Only one application of powder a day is all I need and an occasional check in the mirror w/maybe a minor blot. Good for me!
Since I'm in the UK, my friend and I are going to visit a local spa that provides Karin Herzog facials since they're not available in the US.  I'll let you all know how it goes. |
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Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:02 am |
Curious as to how everyone is spreading the creams on, as they say not to massage in. Any tips?
Also, in regards to mixing other lines w KH, is no one doing this at all? Ive have a C serum that I just got and still like to use. |
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27~Texas~Oily~ fair~ breakout prone~ easily congested~Cysts caused by emotional stress~ Using Ayurvedic skin care and philosophy~ Dry brushing body and face~ On strict less is more routine~ We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars~ Oscar Wilde |
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Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:05 am |
I apply over spritzed face (distilled water), put dots (tiny) on each area, then gently apply all over and allow to absorb. I found it was necessary to do this in order to keep the amount small but still get it all over.
IMO, avoiding other products is a good idea until you see how KH works (or doesn't), then I'd say it's okay to add your C back in. This is what I plan to do. |
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Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:16 am |
Thanks scalawaggirl. I guess using Retin-a is out of the question, I've got the Oxygen face cream with no Vit A but might have to bite the bullet and get the VK2.
Just tried the scrub this morning, wow! Great texture, very different from what I thought it was going to be like. |
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27~Texas~Oily~ fair~ breakout prone~ easily congested~Cysts caused by emotional stress~ Using Ayurvedic skin care and philosophy~ Dry brushing body and face~ On strict less is more routine~ We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars~ Oscar Wilde |
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Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:33 am |
| I can't wait to try this, but I have not received my stuff from joella yet! All results seem promising from everyone so far. |
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Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:11 am |
I am still waiting for my KH order to arrive. I also use retin-a and vit C. Havana8 posted in the beginning of the thread:
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... I asked JoElla a while ago about using the Vita A Kombi with other retin products as I was using O's Renew at the time and she said, "Anything that goes under the oxygen is pushed further into the skin. Surprisingly, Vita A Kombi works well over Retin A. It hydrates the skin so it does not peel a lot." So if you are okay with retin products in general, you might be okay, but if you are sensitive to retin products like Blues, it's probably better to skip it.
She also said that if you were going to use the KH products in combination with products from other lines, that the only thing is to watch out for is if something is really active. Because the oxygen is considered active also, those products would need to to go on together. For example, if you were using a C product, the Vita A Kombi or Oxygen product would go over the C. .... |
I want to keep using retin-a and vit-C. It might be a good idea to start KH on its own, and then to get back to retin-a and vit.C. |
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Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:17 am |
| Thanks mpstat, I remember reading that but couldnt find it for the life of me this morning. |
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27~Texas~Oily~ fair~ breakout prone~ easily congested~Cysts caused by emotional stress~ Using Ayurvedic skin care and philosophy~ Dry brushing body and face~ On strict less is more routine~ We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars~ Oscar Wilde |
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Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:32 am |
| vonstella - I looked at your signature, and it turned out that we are using exactly the same Vit C. and the same strength of retin-a |
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Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:35 am |
| Interesting! What is your skintype? |
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27~Texas~Oily~ fair~ breakout prone~ easily congested~Cysts caused by emotional stress~ Using Ayurvedic skin care and philosophy~ Dry brushing body and face~ On strict less is more routine~ We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars~ Oscar Wilde |
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Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:43 am |
| I have very fair skin, the lightest shade possible, somewhat sensitive, especially neck area. Also dryish, but it is seasonal, t-zone gets oilier in summer (I live in Atlanta, where it is hot and humid in summer). |
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Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:06 am |
We are very similar in climates, Im in Texas and already about to pull my hair out over the humidity! Im also really pale but oily and not really senstive.
On a side note I have just ordered from JoElla: The starter kit (you get: choice of cleanser, choice of VK, the scrub and the eye cream), Silhouette Cream and the Essential Mask. The total was $210.90 with the 10% discount applied. This might be the best value for those of you wanting to try it all. |
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27~Texas~Oily~ fair~ breakout prone~ easily congested~Cysts caused by emotional stress~ Using Ayurvedic skin care and philosophy~ Dry brushing body and face~ On strict less is more routine~ We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars~ Oscar Wilde |
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Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:35 am |
Waiting for the KH to arrive also. I got the cleansing cream and I have oily skin. JoElla encouraged me to get this. I wish I had purchased the scrub as it sounds like a good choice. Like Scally I have VK2, Essential Mask ordered.
I also ordered Calm from Osmosis - JoElla told me The Dr and his wife use it and she does also - for firming effects long-term.
I love to hear everyone's results with this product. My research has been very positive. |
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Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:56 am |
Vonstella, at some point, I do plan to possibly add Retin-A back in but I think it will be awhile and most likely after needling as a way to overturn the skin. Given the Vitamin A in the Kombis, I'm thinking it might be overkill for me but I'll probably test it out, anyway.
BTW, I just got back from a Karin Herzog Pore Draw facial, which seems the best place to start with these treatments. It was fab and I highly recommend tracking down a spa, if you're in the UK.
http://www.shop.karinherzog.co.uk/web/treatments/treatments-facials.htm
Interestingly, after using the products for 1.5 weeks (just the Vita Kombi 3 and eye cream), my pores were actually quite clear and during the facial, she used Oxygen (normally recommended for acne-prone skin). Then, she let it sit for a minute or so and there were bubbles that came up where the product was needed most (usually where a plugged pore was). She was able to extract extremely gently with no pressure at all. I was both impressed that A) I had hardly any congestion and B) that the Oxygen Cream bubbled the clogged pores up the surface! So, clearly the products have been working very well for me so far.
I will be planning to eventually get the Oxygen (for monthly facials), Sillhouette & Tonus B12 (for body), Vitamin H Cream (as a richer night treatment), as well, due to my conversation today. |
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Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:39 am |
| I really love the vitamin H cream. I can't explain it but my skin just looks healthy. JoElla told me to put the H cream on first and to apply the Vita Kombi on top to push it in. She said that it helps with firming and hydration. |
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Fri Apr 11, 2008 11:48 am |
I'm glad to hear that those of you just starting are doing well. Sounds like I may need to rethink the scrub. I've had a few developments here and I'm not sure what to think. Yesterday, my skin didn't look so good. This morning I got up and washed my face and the skin rolled off from an area from an inch outward of my lips to the ear, more on the left side than right. I skipped VK 2 today and just used the VK oil. At the moment, my skin feels slightly sensitive and warmish. I'm not sure if this is normal as I seem to have seen changes from the 10 day mark each time I've added something or if the VK 2 twice a day is too much.
Cookie, I have the H coming. Can't wait to try it.
This is truly a unique line and I can't wait to hear how you all do. Very cool Scally that you got to experience a KH salon. I'm trying to find one in the midwest. Crossing my fingers that there is one in Chicago. Otherwise, Yogi is going to have to put up with me making a visit.  |
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Fri Apr 11, 2008 1:15 pm |
| Any time! |
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Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:07 pm |
My first experience with the Karin Herzog line was at least 12-15 years ago when I read a magazine column featuring Marcia Kilgore, founder of the then-start-up Bliss Spa.
Bliss used the line for its clients and Kilgore swore the Vita-A-Kombi would "clear up elephant man acne in 2 weeks". I'd always struggled with congested pores and breakouts so I bought the whole line and followed the directions faithfully.
I'm not sure if it was the mineral oil (still the 2nd ingredient per recent postings) or what, but I didn't have success with the line and didn't repurchase anything.
I'm fairly sure the scrub was somewhat duplicated by Bliss in their own line at some point.
Good luck to those who pursue this line. My funniest memory is that my eyebrows kept lightening up from the hydrogen peroxide and I didn't realize it until my sister told me! |
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Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:16 pm |
Hi Scalawaggirl,
So do you use a dermaroller or something similar with the KH products?. |
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Sat Apr 12, 2008 6:18 am |
IMO, this line is very sophisticated and as such, would require quite a bit of tweaking (potentially) to work effectively for each individual skin type. Of course, it's possible that it won't work for everyone but I do think it's worth a shot.
I've taken a super slow approach due to this as I am very prone to ingredient breakouts and am still waiting to try the Chocolate Cleansing Cream until I'm sure everything else is fine. So far, I'm only using the Scrub/Cleansing Milk in the AM, then eye cream & Vita Kombi 2 over spritzed face. It really makes a difference in how my skin looks - about a minute or so after applying the VK2, it calms down significantly and looks creamy.
Blues, it is possible that 2x/day is too much of the VK2 and might be best to cut back to once a day. The clinician I worked with said that I should try the Vitamin H at night (alone at first to test it) and then later, perhaps, to combine with VK2 but that it might be overkill for me. Given that, I'd say that it could be too much and I'll just have to test to be sure (what I meant earlier for what works for each of us could be really different). I also asked her about the Vita-Apricot Cream and it is a combination of the Vita Kombi (not sure which strength, though) and the Apricot for a more moisturizing option for aged or dry skin types. This might be something to consider, as well, but I will not be using it due to my oily skin.
Doodles, I have not yet used the Dermaroller with the KH products as I wanted to see how my skin reacts first before upping the ante. I do use it, though, on my hairline and brows before applying Skin Bio's Folligen.
Regarding the eyebrows lightening, it seems fairly easy to avoid them when applying the oxygen products but thanks for the reminder as it's something to be considered. |
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42; medium, warm-toned; large pores prone to congestion; oily; using Karin Herzog exclusively right now! |
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Sat Apr 12, 2008 8:10 am |
| scalawaggirl wrote: |
Hey ladies and BluesHeart, I've been using some of the products for just over a week now - I know it's not very long but I can tell almost immediately (within two days), if a product's going to cause problems.
To test, I started out only using the Essential Mask on the trip out to the UK. First, I washed with the Cleansing Milk mixed w/a bit of the Scrub. I left the Essential Mask on the whole flight then rinsed it off about a hour prior to landing. Then, I applied Vita Kombi 2 and the eye cream. No problems with that and it definitely made a difference in how I looked upon arrival.
During this last week, I've only used the Vita Kombi 2 over spritzed face (only AM) and the eye cream (AM & PM). What I experienced is exactly like BluesHeart and others described with weird, hard breakouts (?) that popped up here and there. They easily resolved with my Zit Buster Serum BUT the real difference happened when I started using the Cleansing Milk/Scrub in the AM (just added it yesterday so did this twice so far). Now, I'm having no breakouts at all and things are looking really good.
My pores are shrinking! It's starting nearest my nose and working outward. My pores are also staying clear and uncongested!
One interesting note is that I've been indulgent while here (partying) and my skin doesn't look worse for wear like it would normally. Not that this is a recommendation to party it up but I think it's good to know that the products combat toxic elements (environment would be affected, too) so it's a positive thing, IMO.
I am slowly adding products in to see how my skin reacts and have the Chocolate Cream but have not used it yet - will report later on that. In regard to oily skin, I have it in spades but it's being controlled very well with Karin Herzog and I'm not doing anything out of the ordinary - still using my Sofina Nuance Up SS and MMU. Only one application of powder a day is all I need and an occasional check in the mirror w/maybe a minor blot. Good for me!
Since I'm in the UK, my friend and I are going to visit a local spa that provides Karin Herzog facials since they're not available in the US. I'll let you all know how it goes. |
Scallygirl-Have to ask: how did you rinse off the essential mask on the airplane? And what did you say you spritz your face with before using VK2? Thanks. Sis |
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Sat Apr 12, 2008 8:16 am |
OKay - I see you use distilled water for spritzing!
For those of you who are using Sillhouette - What results do you see? |
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Sat Apr 12, 2008 8:25 am |
Sister, I used a pre-moistened microfiber cloth that I kept in a plastic baggie to remove the Essential Mask on the plane. Bottled water would also work for a dry cloth, if you wanted to go that route.
After reading more reviews on the Sillhouette/Tonus B12 combo, I am definitely going to get this anti-cellulite duo soon. |
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Sat Apr 12, 2008 8:39 am |
Thanks Scallawagirl.
JoElla sells the duo ($70.00) and you can get 10% off by writing SAVE in the promotion area. |
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Sat Apr 12, 2008 9:17 am |
Interesting how everyone has their own little thing they do. I have no need to spritz my face before applying my VK2. I dot it on, pat pat never going over the same place twice. The less I touch the product once on my face, the more I feel it working. In seven weeks, I've not seen any lightening of my eyebrows. I just don't apply it there, stopping above the line. I just had my brows done Wednesday night and the Brow Police would have noticed.  FYI, I realized what caused the peeling on my face. It was a foot cream containing acids that I applied the other night, forgetting to wash my hands after. I tend to sleep with my hands touching my face so I'm sure that's the culprit.
Sis, I've not tried the Silhouette or Tonus but it's next on my list. I did use the fat burner from John C Hill that is kick butt effective. I do however like the synergy of using the Silhouette and Tonus together. |
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Sat Apr 12, 2008 5:19 pm |
| BluesHeart wrote: |
| I did use the fat burner from John C Hill that is kick butt effective. |
Can you please tell us more??? 
(Sorry for hijacking the thread  ).
R. |
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44, oily T-zone, acne prone (PCOS) ~ Baby Q & Tanda (blue light) ~ Karin Herzog (Oxy Face, Vita-A-Kombi 2, Vitamin H, Eye cream) ~ PSF (Cramberry Eye Gel) ~ Pearl/Silk powder primer and mist ~ L2K ~ MMU |
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