Devita Sunscreen
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free skin care · Tue May 10, 2011 7:55 am

The only reason that Devita may not be the *best* one to use in hot sweaty weather is the smooth formulation and the lack of water resistance, NOT the ingredients. It's not unstable at all, it's just a "cosmetic" sunscreen rather than a sport/active sunscreen. I've also NEVER had a problem with it going bad, and I've used Devita for years, and I buy it in bulk. Since the tube does allow light, just keep in in a drawer to be safe.

Regarding the 1/4 teaspoon thing, I highly recommend getting a 1 ml (or 5 ml with clear ml markings) scoop (or some similar measuring tool) so you can see what 1 ml looks like and what 2 ml looks like, etc. 1/4 teaspoon is 1.2 ml... Don't have to use it every day, just a couple of times to get an idea.

Right now I'm using 3 sunscreen products- devita, burnout, and elta md tinted. I generously spread devita all over my chest, neck, arms (if they'll be exposed) and the "perimeter" of my face- basically jaw and close to/touching my hair line. Everywhere except near eyes- I just don't want it near my eyes because it makes me tear up. Then over that I'll spread burnout all over my face (but focusing on the center of my face) and any excess on neck and chest. Then it's elta, applied around eyes and anywhere else I want a little coverage.

The reason why layerung is good is that it allows you to put on more sunscreen without realizing it.

free skin care · Tue May 10, 2011 9:12 am

This is the 1ml scoop I got (1cc=1 ml)at lotioncrafter:

http://www.lotioncrafter.com/1cc-measuring-scoop.html

Now I see that they also have a 1.25 cc scoop, and that's perfect for measuring a 1/4 teaspoon of sunscreen. And you get 10 of them for 2 bucks.

http://www.lotioncrafter.com/1.25cc-measuring-scoop.html

By the way, according to my research it seems that the medical recommendation is to apply between 1/4 to 1/3 teaspoon sunscreen just on the face. So with 1.5 ml, you'll be safe. I definitely thing that 1 ml is the absolute minimum of sunscreen. And that's just for the face- obviously more is needed for hands, neck, chest, etc.

Oh and a tip- before you apply the measured sunscreen, rub some sunscreen on your hands so that the precisely measured sunscreen is all for your face and doesn't just get absorbed by your hands. And there's nothing wrong with rubbing sunscreen into your skin as long as your hands aren't dry to begin with.

I've tried it and I don't have any issues with applying the recommended amount of burnout to my face. I'm sure I usually wind up with more because of the layering. But I'm used to applying zinc oxide sunscreen- I've been wearing physical sunscreen for a long time now, and at first it was physical sunscreen nowhere near as nice as burnout and devita..

free skin care · Tue May 10, 2011 11:14 am

Hey Nimue, your reviews & analyses of physical sunscreens are what led me to Devita, Burnout, and Elta MD Physical! I'm very happy with them, but I'd be even happier if I could get away with putting on *less*! Did you check out the link that oasisjc posted? Dr. Neal Schultz from DermTV says that you will *still* get the stated SPF protection even if you put on *less* than a full 1/4tsp of *physical* sunscreen. He says that you only need the size of a large pea. Myself, I don't quite understand how a physical sunscreen could be rated as having a certain SPF then, since the SPF rating is tested by seeing how long it takes for skin to burn after spreading on 2mg/cm2 of product, which is a specifically stated amount. Although I can see his logic (physical suncreens *reflect* rays, so you only need to cover the surface of the skin-- it doesn't matter how "deep" that protective layer is), I don't know whether this works in real life. Thoughts? I still find that a full 1/4tsp of sunscreen, any kind, is suffocating.

free skin care · Tue May 10, 2011 12:05 pm

JLM wrote:

Hey Nimue, your reviews & analyses of physical sunscreens are what led me to Devita, Burnout, and Elta MD Physical! I'm very happy with them, but I'd be even happier if I could get away with putting on *less*! Did you check out the link that oasisjc posted? Dr. Neal Schultz from DermTV says that you will *still* get the stated SPF protection even if you put on *less* than a full 1/4tsp of *physical* sunscreen. He says that you only need the size of a large pea. Myself, I don't quite understand how a physical sunscreen could be rated as having a certain SPF then, since the SPF rating is tested by seeing how long it takes for skin to burn after spreading on 2mg/cm2 of product, which is a specifically stated amount. Although I can see his logic (physical suncreens *reflect* rays, so you only need to cover the surface of the skin-- it doesn't matter how "deep" that protective layer is), I don't know whether this works in real life. Thoughts? I still find that a full 1/4tsp of sunscreen, any kind, is suffocating.

Are you sure that the SPF testing applies to physical sunscreen as well? I think I read somewhere that they originally did it by testing 2mg/cm2 and then gradually reduced it since it wasn't necessary. Damn I wish I had saved things like that

free skin care · Tue May 10, 2011 2:37 pm

Well, the only reason why I'd think the SPF rating would apply is because the SPF is actually *labelled* on most sunscreen product packaging. So wouldn't it seem that the SPF of physical sunscreens is tested under standard conditions (that is, the using the standard amount) if it's stated on the bottle?

free skin care · Tue May 10, 2011 10:55 pm

I'm glad my posts were helpful! I can't watc videos now but I'm pretty sure I've seen it before- he applies a small amount of sunscreen to his face but he doesn't even put any around his eyes. I'm not buying it. I'm aware of the advantages of high zinc oxide physical sunscreen, that's why I'm such a fan- but I still feel safer applying a healthy amount of sunscreen. If you just can't- if applying a 1/4 teaspoon is suffocating, then apply as much as you feel comfortable with. You may be able to get the recommended density by layering physical susncreens- like devita + burnout + elta.

Thing is I agree that with a high zinc oxide sunscreen like burnout you probably don't need that much of it to get the protection, but it certainly can't hurt! And you *do* get used to it. Maybe your 1/4 teaspoon is too big? Have you tried measuring it with the scoops?

JLM wrote:

Hey Nimue, your reviews & analyses of physical sunscreens are what led me to Devita, Burnout, and Elta MD Physical! I'm very happy with them, but I'd be even happier if I could get away with putting on *less*! Did you check out the link that oasisjc posted? Dr. Neal Schultz from DermTV says that you will *still* get the stated SPF protection even if you put on *less* than a full 1/4tsp of *physical* sunscreen. He says that you only need the size of a large pea. Myself, I don't quite understand how a physical sunscreen could be rated as having a certain SPF then, since the SPF rating is tested by seeing how long it takes for skin to burn after spreading on 2mg/cm2 of product, which is a specifically stated amount. Although I can see his logic (physical suncreens *reflect* rays, so you only need to cover the surface of the skin-- it doesn't matter how "deep" that protective layer is), I don't know whether this works in real life. Thoughts? I still find that a full 1/4tsp of sunscreen, any kind, is suffocating.

free skin care · Tue May 10, 2011 11:34 pm

Physical sunscreen SPF may or may not be determined the same way as chemical sunscreens since they are a different category.

But like I said, it really is up to personal preference. Do what makes you feel comfortable. If you find that you're applying too much and it feels suffocating, then you should ease down a little because that can be harmful to the skin as well.

free skin care · Wed May 11, 2011 2:32 am

Thanks for your responses Nimue & oasisjc! You know, I did measure out the 1/4 tsp with a cooking measuring spoon, and that was a pretty big glob to me! I think that for myself, I'll stick with putting on as much as I can handle without feeling suffocated & then layer on products with SPF, unless I know I'll be outside & needing more sun protection. (BTW Nimue, do you layer on Devita + Burnout + Elta? I was under the impression that it was either the Devita or the Burnout, with the Elta on top?)

With the Dr. Schultz video, I have to think that he must be feeling pretty sure that physical sunscreens can provide adequate protection even if you use less-- after all, he's putting his reputation on the line in a pretty public forum. I wonder...

free skin care · Thu May 12, 2011 10:38 am

One question- are you using *any* other products under the sunscreen? If you're using a moisturizer under (or even a serum really) that may add to the suffocation feeling. Sun protection is so important that it trumps everything else, IMO. You can use other products in the evenings...

It sort of winds up being layers... Face- I say I apply Devita on the perimeter on my face (because Devita is the only sunscreen I feel super comfortable applying at my hairline) but it's not a "thin" perimeter and I apply it out in. A decent amount of Devita winds up on my face- forehead, jaw, chin, cheeks (just not too close to the eyes). Then I get a glob of burnout (I haven't measured in a while, probably around 1 ml) and first I apply it thickly around my eyes, then forehead, nose, chin, cheeks and I just blend it until it disappears. So some of it will go over the parts that were devita'd.

Excess goes on neck and chest, which were also devtia'd. Then I apply a little Elta around my eyes, on my nose, chin and forehead. So most likely I've gone over every inch of skin at least twice. I don't think this is necessary... But it can't hurt and will be helpful if you have trouble applying 1/4 teaspoon sunscreen in one go.

JLM wrote:

Thanks for your responses Nimue & oasisjc! You know, I did measure out the 1/4 tsp with a cooking measuring spoon, and that was a pretty big glob to me! I think that for myself, I'll stick with putting on as much as I can handle without feeling suffocated & then layer on products with SPF, unless I know I'll be outside & needing more sun protection. (BTW Nimue, do you layer on Devita + Burnout + Elta? I was under the impression that it was either the Devita or the Burnout, with the Elta on top?)

With the Dr. Schultz video, I have to think that he must be feeling pretty sure that physical sunscreens can provide adequate protection even if you use less-- after all, he's putting his reputation on the line in a pretty public forum. I wonder...

free skin care · Thu May 12, 2011 11:07 am

Regarding the video... The only thing I can think of is that people are better off applying a very small amount of high zinc oxide physical sunscreen than a lot of chemical sunscreen. So if there are people turned off physical sunscreen because they can't bear to apply the full 1/4 teaspoon of it and so they switch to something that has either no zinc oxide or a lot less of it, that's not good. So I agree with that...

It happens on this forum too- people try a high zinc sunscreen and they hate it and they're super excited when they try a different physical sunscreen that feels so much nicer and I have to post that that physical sunscreen has only 5% zinc oxide or something like that.

f those are your options, you are much better off applying 1/12 of a teaspoon of burnout (or something like burnout) than the full ¼ of a teaspoon of something with 5% zinc oxide. Not to mention chemical sunscreens! I think they are actually harmful.

I also think that the protection offered by powder sunscreens /mineral make up is minimal at best. Do it if you like it, and it doesn’t hurt, but on its own, I think a pea size amount of burnout is much, much better protection. A powder that’s 15% zinc oxide just cannot be compared to a cream/lotion that’s 15% zinc oxide. I think it’s extremely misleading to label powders with spf ratings because there is absolutely no way that you’re going to apply ¼ teaspoon (or anywhere near that) of powder on your face, even if you knew that all that powder would stay on your skin. You can’t! If you were applying enough powder to get the rating, the large size colorscience orb which costs $39 would last about a week. *But* if you’re going to use powder anyway, then it only makes sense to use powder that has some zinc oxide in it.

Why do my posts get so long? Anyway the thing is that zinc oxide is so awesome that even a small amount will offer some protection, which is why people do get something out of mineral make up or low zinc oxide sunscreens. So you’ll still be getting some protection and you’re better off using as much zinc oxide as you comfortably can than switching to chemical sunscreens. I think that’s the doctor’s point. But you should still try to get as much zinc oxide on your skin as you can.

JLM wrote:

With the Dr. Schultz video, I have to think that he must be feeling pretty sure that physical sunscreens can provide adequate protection even if you use less-- after all, he's putting his reputation on the line in a pretty public forum. I wonder...

free skin care · Fri May 13, 2011 3:23 am

The thing I can't get around my head is how Dr. Schultz *implies* that putting on less sunscreen will still provide the stated SPF protection that's on the bottle-- at least, that's what I'm getting. Not just *some* sun protection, but the "stated" protection. Perhaps I'm interpreting him wrong? Oh well, I'll just slather along to make sure that I'm getting the protection, though it *would* be nice to use less.

BTW, on a side note, I've been liking a nice mineral powder foundation by Korres to top things off, which contains 16.1% titanium dioxide & 15% zinc oxide. You don't need to use much at all to even things out, although I've noticed that it still looks pretty natural if you pile it on (though I've never used 1/4 tsp!). Here are the other ingredients:

Titanium Dioxide 16.1%, Zinc Oxide 15.0%, Mica, Boron Nitride, Rosa Canina Fruit Oil, Amethyst Powder, Quartz. [+/- (May Contain) Titanium Dioxide, Iron Oxides]

free skin care · Tue May 17, 2011 2:33 am

I finally bought Devita Solar moisturizer 30+, and used it for few days.
I love the texture very much, it is non-oily, no breatout and no whitehead.

There is only very light scent, and the most important thing is that the price of the sunscreen is not expensive and affordable.

I give it 5/5.

I will try the the body sunscreen very soon =)

free skin care · Tue May 17, 2011 2:43 am

i found these 2 websites are trustworthy:

http://www.luckyvitamin.com/m-1354-devita

and

http://www.vitacost.com/Devita-Solar-Protective-Moisturizer-SPF-30

thanks for all your posting, so that I can find these 2 website.

free skin care · Sat Jun 04, 2011 4:36 pm

Wow the ingredients in the new Devita sunscreen look great! I just ordered it from Lucky vitamins along with the Devita glycolic acid serum.

I'm in Canada, so I'll let you all know how quickly I get the products!

free skin care · Sun Jun 05, 2011 12:58 am

I must agree I love devita sunscreen also. However as Nimue pointed out it's not very water resistant so on hot and humid days depending on where you live, I often have to reapply or apply a mineral powder sunscreen on top incase the Devita has melted off my face. Now I decided to use Devita during the winter months and Burntout during summer. Maybe I've become paranoid but I often apply the required effective amount of sunscreen, wait awhile and apply another coat. I tend to do this if I know the day is going to really hot and I may be outdoors a bit more. I am interested in the review on Korres powder sunscreen, I'm currently using either Peter Thomas Roth of Jane Iredale.

Mon Jun 06, 2011 2:07 pm

Can someone who purchased DeVita sunscreen recently pls check to see if retinyl palmitate is one of the ingredients...it has been proven to increase the chance of cancer.

free skin care · Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:13 pm

I took a look at both my Devita body lotion & moisturizer and couldn't see it. The ingredients (to my untrained eye) are just yummy... I love putting this on my skin.

Here's a link
http://www2.devita.net/store/product.php?productid=17535&cat=290&page=1

Fri Jun 10, 2011 6:27 pm

rileygirl wrote:

ShastaGirl wrote:

zhoushuhappy wrote:

H，can it be used eyes for protection?

I've used the Devita facial sunscreen under my eyes without trouble. My eyes tend to be sensitive to stuff - especially with scents. This one give me no trouble.

I think Riley's used it under her eyes as well - mentioned in another thread.

I do, and I use it on my lids as well after reading that Nimue used sunscreen there too! I have had no problems with the Devita bothering my eyes and I have sensitive eyes, as well, always getting puffy and/or red and irritated, but this has not happened with the Devita sunscreen. I am still loving this stuff and will continue to use it! My search for a HG sunscreen for my skin is over. Very Happy

Hi, Riley.. Can i use devita with obagi nuderm?
I have been try to find good sunscreen with Obagi nuderm but no luck..until I saw devita reviews from this forum... I am really want to try devita sunscreen.

Fri Jun 10, 2011 6:28 pm

rileygirl wrote:

ShastaGirl wrote:

zhoushuhappy wrote:

H，can it be used eyes for protection?

I've used the Devita facial sunscreen under my eyes without trouble. My eyes tend to be sensitive to stuff - especially with scents. This one give me no trouble.

I think Riley's used it under her eyes as well - mentioned in another thread.

I do, and I use it on my lids as well after reading that Nimue used sunscreen there too! I have had no problems with the Devita bothering my eyes and I have sensitive eyes, as well, always getting puffy and/or red and irritated, but this has not happened with the Devita sunscreen. I am still loving this stuff and will continue to use it! My search for a HG sunscreen for my skin is over. Very Happy

Hi, Riley.. Can i use devita with obagi nuderm?
I have been try to find good sunscreen with Obagi nuderm but no luck..until I saw devita reviews from this forum... I am really want to try devita sunscreen.

free skin care · Fri Jul 15, 2011 2:55 pm

I've been using the devita ss for a few days now so I thought I'd add my 2 cents.

I have oily, acne prone skin and am currently using obagi. The first time I used devita, I loved the texture, the smell (very faint, reminds me of baby lotion), the cosmetic elegance of it and the fact that it doesn't leave any white cast.

I used it and made sure I applied plenty, I noticed that the shine that was there when I initially applied was still there after half an hour, I had a seriously oily face for the whole day.

I used it again the next day, not using as much and then layered it with my obagi sunshield spf50 ss (Octinoxate 7.5%, Zinc Oxide 10.5%), it was perfect, I got the matte finish of the sunshield with the full content of the devita's 19% zinc Cool

Layering it is working for me and I feel more protected on the sunnier days, I would like to retry devita on it's own in the winter just to see how it works and to see if I get that shine again, I always intended to use devita as a winter ss but I just love the idea of having 19% zinc in my ss.

I haven't had any breakouts relating to devita ss and it doesn't seem to be clogging up my pores either.

Sun Jul 24, 2011 1:25 am

Since DeVita Solar Body Sunscreen is not water resistant, does this mean it is not good to use for swimming and other water play activities?

Would I have to get those pasty physical block sunscreens for water play then, and save DeVita SBS for when we are just out and about in the sun?

free skin care · Sun Jul 24, 2011 8:50 am

Yes, Devita on the face causes a shine for me as well. I put a little powder over it which takes care of that. Unfortunately, I've noticed that with the summer sun, I've been getting a little color while wearing Devita Confused

Argh! I do put it on thick and reapply every couple hours. Most likely I won't repurchase. I'm back to my old favorite - MVO face screen.

For the Body version, I have that too - and yes, you need to reapply after being in the water.

free skin care · Mon Aug 22, 2011 7:32 pm

I have been using the Devita Solar Body sunscreen and loving it. My skin burns really easily. I didn't get any redness & equally important to me - I didn't get a heat rash. Sometimes sunscreens prevent burns, but I end up with a nasty heat rash.

Tue Aug 23, 2011 4:13 am

I love Devita's sunscreen. I tried the Obagi physical UV block and it doesn't come anywhere close to how nice this one is. Will definitely be buying Devita again.

free skin care · Thu Aug 25, 2011 5:58 pm

Both for face and body are good?

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