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Sat Apr 02, 2016 5:19 am  |
Thank you so much.
So, I will buy the Retino-A Cream .025% and .05%, as well as the Supatret Gel .1%.
Found nothing about the ingredients, hope they are ok and they don't contain mineral oil.
The Renova is apparently with mineral oil, though:
realselfDOTcom/question/when-apply-aha-in-my-skin-care-routine-already-vitamin-in-the-and-renova-night
"You also need to switch the Renova for Retin-A. The Renova is a combination of Retin-A and mineral oil. The mineral oil clogs your pores and prevents the Retin- A from penetrating to the cells where it can do what it is supposed to do." |
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Sat Apr 02, 2016 1:26 pm |
| rmn wrote: |
Thank you so much.
So, I will buy the Retino-A Cream .025% and .05%, as well as the Supatret Gel .1%.
Found nothing about the ingredients, hope they are ok and they don't contain mineral oil.
The Renova is apparently with mineral oil, though:
realselfDOTcom/question/when-apply-aha-in-my-skin-care-routine-already-vitamin-in-the-and-renova-night
"You also need to switch the Renova for Retin-A. The Renova is a combination of Retin-A and mineral oil. The mineral oil clogs your pores and prevents the Retin- A from penetrating to the cells where it can do what it is supposed to do." |
Sounds like you got it sorted.
They don't say what is in the cream 
I ordered Supatret & A Retin Gel along with a few other things.
I did not realise Renova has mineral oil. I guess so does La Mer. Thanks for finding out.
Best of luck! Have you ordered?
Which site have you decided to order from?
Reliablerxpharmacy?
http://www.reliablerxpharmacy.com/?mw_aref=12270e70736270f9d11d1de3ec541f87 |
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Sat Apr 02, 2016 1:45 pm |
"RENOVA cream contains 0.05% tretinoin w/w in a water in oil emulsion formulation consisting of light mineral oil, NF; sorbitol solution, USSP; hydroxyoctacosanyl hydroxystearate; methoxy PEG-22/dodecyl glycol copolymer: PEG-24/dodecyl glycol copolymer; stearoxytrimethylsilane and steary alcohol; dimethicone 50 cs; methylparaben, NF; edate disodium, USP; quateernium-15; butylated hydroxytoluene, NF; citric acid monohydrate, USP; fragrance; and purified water, USP.
Absolutely no one under the age of 18 should use RENOVA cream."
https://www.medicalwellnesscenter.com/skincarerenovacontraindications.html
If Renova has mineral oil, I am pretty sure the rest of the tretinoin creams have it too.
Update us once you receive it & let us know how you go 😊 |
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Sun Apr 03, 2016 6:35 am |
I wanted to order from them, but they don't ship to Germany. Neither does ADC.
It sucks so much, we don't have genuine Retin A available in the Pharmacy and shipping from outside the EU is also not possible.
So what I think about trying is getting a UK adress from Borderlinx and order to that adress, then forward it to me.
It's quite costly, but apparently the only way to get it. Hope it will work. |
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Sun Apr 03, 2016 10:44 am |
| rmn wrote: |
I wanted to order from them, but they don't ship to Germany. Neither does ADC.
It sucks so much, we don't have genuine Retin A available in the Pharmacy and shipping from outside the EU is also not possible.
So what I think about trying is getting a UK adress from Borderlinx and order to that adress, then forward it to me.
It's quite costly, but apparently the only way to get it. Hope it will work. |
That really sucks. Get a freight forwarder. I am not sure if it is relevant, i am using SHIPITO now from USA to Australia. Maybe the import/customs tax for Europe is very high and the limit for imports low.
wish i could help you but i am down under.
There is a mexican pharmacy the americans use online, cost much more than the previous recommended, would that be better for you? |
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Sun Apr 03, 2016 1:33 pm |
I don't think so, because parcels from countries like this are much more in focus for customs. I think Mexico, India or China doesn't matter.
Yeah, I was thinking about ordering with Borderlinx. They give you a UK address. Reliable and ADC both ship to the UK, apparently UK customs aren't that strict. Once in the UK it's within the EU and further shipping shouldn't pose a problem.
I hate what a hassle getting Retin A seems to be. You can get ------------------ and Steroids everywhere, but this creme is almost impossible. It's not like it's some heavy drug, I mean the worst that could happen is that you get a Retinoid burn. By that standard sun baths should also be prescription only. |
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Sun Apr 03, 2016 4:14 pm |
| rmn wrote: |
I don't think so, because parcels from countries like this are much more in focus for customs. I think Mexico, India or China doesn't matter.
Yeah, I was thinking about ordering with Borderlinx. They give you a UK address. Reliable and ADC both ship to the UK, apparently UK customs aren't that strict. Once in the UK it's within the EU and further shipping shouldn't pose a problem.
I hate what a hassle getting Retin A seems to be. You can get ------------------ and Steroids everywhere, but this creme is almost impossible. It's not like it's some heavy drug, I mean the worst that could happen is that you get a Retinoid burn. By that standard sun baths should also be prescription only. |
Before you go spend lots on postage & freight forwarding. Go see a dermatologist & see what they have? |
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Sun Apr 03, 2016 4:20 pm |
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| rmn wrote: |
I don't think so, because parcels from countries like this are much more in focus for customs. I think Mexico, India or China doesn't matter.
Yeah, I was thinking about ordering with Borderlinx. They give you a UK address. Reliable and ADC both ship to the UK, apparently UK customs aren't that strict. Once in the UK it's within the EU and further shipping shouldn't pose a problem.
I hate what a hassle getting Retin A seems to be. You can get ------------------ and Steroids everywhere, but this creme is almost impossible. It's not like it's some heavy drug, I mean the worst that could happen is that you get a Retinoid burn. By that standard sun baths should also be prescription only. |
Before you go spend lots on postage & freight forwarding. Go see a dermatologist & see what they have? |
It is called cordes vas for 0.05 Tretinoin /Retin A in Germany. Did a search for you. No prescription needed. |
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Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:08 pm |
| preciousia wrote: |
It is called cordes vas for 0.05 Tretinoin /Retin A in Germany. Did a search for you. No prescription needed. |
Wow, thank you, I didn't know that product. When I asked in the pharmacy they told me that the only Retin A product available was the Widmer cream with urea acid. It's still prescription only, though. |
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Mon Apr 04, 2016 2:06 pm |
| rmn wrote: |
| preciousia wrote: |
It is called cordes vas for 0.05 Tretinoin /Retin A in Germany. Did a search for you. No prescription needed. |
Wow, thank you, I didn't know that product. When I asked in the pharmacy they told me that the only Retin A product available was the Widmer cream with urea acid. It's still prescription only, though. |
Sometimes it is the luck of the draw with the pharmacist I find.
Hope you find it.
Update us how you go 😊 |
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Tue Apr 05, 2016 4:47 am |
Actualy that’s not the worst that can happen, and if you do research you will see some people have stupidly misused the product and caused permanent damage to their skins and I have to say often its youngsters who are doing their own thing. I’ve read about one young lady applying Retin A several times a day – and she was only 22. No sun protection, so she made her skin supersensitive and was also using a tanning machine. Whilst to us with common sense we know that’s a bad thing – she was vocal in that she thought she did nothing wrong and couldn’t understand her derms opinion that she had caused a lot of damage but sure enough a few years down the line and she was speaking up about her experience and was on tv and in newspapers.
It is a prescription medicine for reason and to me, I’ve used it 30 plus years but I’ve read some really interesting things that people have done all in the hope of getting faster results. I suppose when you are dealing with crisis you throw caution to the wind but I know sometimes its scary what people do in the name of getting changes.
Whilst Retin A isn’t readily available in the UK, it is still available through certain derms etc. I know many derms offer alternatives to Retin A simply because people don’t like the side effects which vary and appear at different times for different people and peeling, flaking and itchiness are just some of the results but they are by far from the only results.
| rmn wrote: |
| I hate what a hassle getting Retin A seems to be. You can get ------------------ and Steroids everywhere, but this creme is almost impossible. It's not like it's some heavy drug, I mean the worst that could happen is that you get a Retinoid burn. By that standard sun baths should also be prescription only. |
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Tue Apr 05, 2016 4:49 am |
This is completely incorrect and like taking 2 and 2 and coming up with 10! Tretinoin creams do not all have mineral oils in them, and there is a large variety out there, so whilst there are some that do - to say or suggest they all do is completely ignorant and false and incorrect.
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| If Renova has mineral oil, I am pretty sure the rest of the tretinoin creams have it too. |
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Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:09 am |
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Actualy that’s not the worst that can happen, and if you do research you will see some people have stupidly misused the product and caused permanent damage to their skins and I have to say often its youngsters who are doing their own thing. I’ve read about one young lady applying Retin A several times a day – and she was only 22. No sun protection, so she made her skin supersensitive and was also using a tanning machine. Whilst to us with common sense we know that’s a bad thing – she was vocal in that she thought she did nothing wrong and couldn’t understand her derms opinion that she had caused a lot of damage but sure enough a few years down the line and she was speaking up about her experience and was on tv and in newspapers.
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You can also abuse any OTC drug. If you take a bottle of asprin you could die. Hell, if you eat a few tablespoons of salt you'll die.
Every drug comes with an instructional leaflet. If you don't read the instructions and just do whatever you feel with it you could potentially hurt yourself.
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This is completely incorrect and like taking 2 and 2 and coming up with 10! Tretinoin creams do not all have mineral oils in them, and there is a large variety out there, so whilst there are some that do - to say or suggest they all do is completely ignorant and false and incorrect.
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Thank you for the information. However, I don't feel that harsh tone in your post is called for.  |
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Tue Apr 05, 2016 8:07 am |
Absolutely – not arguing that point at all, simply the point you made about the worst being some burn being the worst effect possible. Having used Retin A for over 30 years I’ve read countless horror stories online and even gone to my derm in the early days with horror stories where I misused the product, so to think that’s the only possible side effect is incorrect. That’s the only thing I was suggesting here – to think that the burn is the only side effect isn’t always the case (sadly). If it was - that would be great!
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You can also abuse any OTC drug. If you take a bottle of asprin you could die. Hell, if you eat a few tablespoons of salt you'll die.
Every drug comes with an instructional leaflet. If you don't read the instructions and just do whatever you feel with it you could potentially hurt yourself. |
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| Thank you for the information. However, I don't feel that harsh tone in your post is called for. |
To be honest – I don’t care what you think about my harsh tone. To me the original poster says “If Renova has mineral oil, I am pretty sure the rest of the tretinoin creams have it too.” This is completely incorrect. Many people will take things at face value and I myself have done it in the past. This is being stated as factually based and is far from it. I have used Retin A for the past 30 years and have avoided many issues but I have seen many people encounter them due to posts such as the above so I think its entirely fair to quash lies like this! You may not agree but that’s your opinion and you are entitled to it just as much as I am entitled to mine. |
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Tue Apr 05, 2016 8:14 am |
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Drugs are not required to list the full ingredients generally unlike cosmetics, only active ingredients are listed.
I have seen complaints from users for generics (creams versions) thus the recommendation for gel or Renova the original for aging skin. Renova costs a little more but still a bargain if you compare it to luxury brands. |
There you go again Theresa.
Taking me out of context again!
I appreciate if you read the threads replies not just a sentence in singularity.
This is not the first time.
We were talking about the Tretinoin creams sold by ADC/RXP that are made in India. |
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Tue Apr 05, 2016 8:18 am |
| Sorry but if you make factually incorrect statements - you shouldn't expect people to correct you. Nuff said. |
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Tue Apr 05, 2016 8:27 am |
This is not the first time I have issues with what you are saying, because factually its incorrect period.
I suspect your intentions are good but your wording is misleading others and is incorrect. With your statement that Renova and Tretinoin creams both have mineral – at no point do you specify that you are referring ONLY to ADC/RXP. Even so, its still incorrect. I have friends who purchase regularly from ADC and are able to buy tretinoin cream without mineral oil. I have personally used Retin A for over 30 years so am aware of a lot of the issues that comes with it and have had issues myself with some brands that mix tretinoin and mineral oils. I also have friends with different skin types than myself – and many people will see your statement and be influenced to thinking that Retin A contains mineral oils and not use it as a result. I’ve also been on EDS for a good few years and so am aware that many people don’t always join EDS but pay attention to opnions shared and product reviews – which perhaps you are not aware of. However for them to be influenced by something which is just your personal opinion expressed as factually based is scary. Retin A has many studies behind it, and pubmed is a great source for them.
I think from now on I will just ignore your posts and let you speak your personal opinions as facts (clearly they are not) but don’t be surprised that people question you about them!
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| preciousia wrote: |
Drugs are not required to list the full ingredients generally unlike cosmetics, only active ingredients are listed.
I have seen complaints from users for generics (creams versions) thus the recommendation for gel or Renova the original for aging skin. Renova costs a little more but still a bargain if you compare it to luxury brands. |
There you go again Theresa.
Taking me out of context again!
I appreciate if you read the threads replies not just a sentence in singularity.
This is not the first time.
We were talking about the Tretinoin creams sold by ADC/RXP that are made in India. |
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Tue Apr 05, 2016 8:32 am |
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Actualy that’s not the worst that can happen, and if you do research you will see some people have stupidly misused the product and caused permanent damage to their skins and I have to say often its youngsters who are doing their own thing. I’ve read about one young lady applying Retin A several times a day – and she was only 22. No sun protection, so she made her skin supersensitive and was also using a tanning machine. Whilst to us with common sense we know that’s a bad thing – she was vocal in that she thought she did nothing wrong and couldn’t understand her derms opinion that she had caused a lot of damage but sure enough a few years down the line and she was speaking up about her experience and was on tv and in newspapers.
It is a prescription medicine for reason and to me, I’ve used it 30 plus years but I’ve read some really interesting things that people have done all in the hope of getting faster results. I suppose when you are dealing with crisis you throw caution to the wind but I know sometimes its scary what people do in the name of getting changes.
Whilst Retin A isn’t readily available in the UK, it is still available through certain derms etc. I know many derms offer alternatives to Retin A simply because people don’t like the side effects which vary and appear at different times for different people and peeling, flaking and itchiness are just some of the results but they are by far from the only results.
| rmn wrote: |
| I hate what a hassle getting Retin A seems to be. You can get ------------------ and Steroids everywhere, but this creme is almost impossible. It's not like it's some heavy drug, I mean the worst that could happen is that you get a Retinoid burn. By that standard sun baths should also be prescription only. |
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Actually you're kind of going at rmn too with her/his statement of not getting Retin A from doctors. In Germany it is available OTC without a prescription. Regulations differ from country to country. |
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Tue Apr 05, 2016 8:35 am |
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This is not the first time I have issues with what you are saying, because factually its incorrect period.
I suspect your intentions are good but your wording is misleading others and is incorrect. With your statement that Renova and Tretinoin creams both have mineral – at no point do you specify that you are referring ONLY to ADC/RXP. Even so, its still incorrect. I have friends who purchase regularly from ADC and are able to buy tretinoin cream without mineral oil. I have personally used Retin A for over 30 years so am aware of a lot of the issues that comes with it and have had issues myself with some brands that mix tretinoin and mineral oils. I also have friends with different skin types than myself – and many people will see your statement and be influenced to thinking that Retin A contains mineral oils and not use it as a result. I’ve also been on EDS for a good few years and so am aware that many people don’t always join EDS but pay attention to opnions shared and product reviews – which perhaps you are not aware of. However for them to be influenced by something which is just your personal opinion expressed as factually based is scary. Retin A has many studies behind it, and pubmed is a great source for them.
I think from now on I will just ignore your posts and let you speak your personal opinions as facts (clearly they are not) but don’t be surprised that people question you about them!
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| preciousia wrote: |
Drugs are not required to list the full ingredients generally unlike cosmetics, only active ingredients are listed.
I have seen complaints from users for generics (creams versions) thus the recommendation for gel or Renova the original for aging skin. Renova costs a little more but still a bargain if you compare it to luxury brands. |
There you go again Theresa.
Taking me out of context again!
I appreciate if you read the threads replies not just a sentence in singularity.
This is not the first time.
We were talking about the Tretinoin creams sold by ADC/RXP that are made in India. |
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Personally i do not think mineral oil is all bad. There are some good quality pharmaceutical grade mineral oil... and some bad ones too. I have recommended Renova despite the mineral oil content. Expensive brands like La Mer uses mineral oil too. Neither have i said Retin A is bad.
What brands of Retin-A does not have mineral oil, do share?
People who do research on the internet usually read from more than one source. You have to give everyone more credit than that. Most people are intelligent and are able to read. Any drugs taken/used is at each person (or guardian's) risk. Everyone got to take responsibility for heir actions.
Retin A does have risks which is why i have recommended to seek doctor's supervision.
I appreciate your good intentions and will try to be more specific in the future. Sorry,never did i think it could be misinterpreted to mean don't buy Retin-A it is bad for you. |
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Tue Apr 05, 2016 8:39 am |
No I wasn’t going off at rmn simply suggesting that his statement of “I mean the worst that could happen is that you get a Retinoid burn.” Isn’t the reason it isn’t readily available. Retinoid burn isn't the only reason it has become harder to get.
I am not saying that he is incorrect in that he can’t get it in his country and didn't suggest anything of the sort - so confused as to why you are suggesting this but suspect there are motives here. I was simply offering some of my experience as to why it isn’t as readily available as it was 10 years ago. There is a huge difference between what I have said and the conclusion you have drawn here. Suppose I’m to blame for not reading the whole thread again!!!!!!!
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| Actually you're kind of going at rmn too with her/his statement of not getting Retin A from doctors. In Germany it is available OTC without a prescription. Regulations differ from country to country. |
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Tue Apr 05, 2016 8:48 am |
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No I wasn’t going off at rmn simply suggesting that his statement of “I mean the worst that could happen is that you get a Retinoid burn.” Isn’t the reason it isn’t readily available. Retinoid burn isn't the only reason it has become harder to get.
I am not saying that he is incorrect in that he can’t get it in his country and didn't suggest anything of the sort - so confused as to why you are suggesting this but suspect there are motives here. I was simply offering some of my experience as to why it isn’t as readily available as it was 10 years ago. There is a huge difference between what I have said and the conclusion you have drawn here. Suppose I’m to blame for not reading the whole thread again!!!!!!!
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| Actually you're kind of going at rmn too with her/his statement of not getting Retin A from doctors. In Germany it is available OTC without a prescription. Regulations differ from country to country. |
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No motives here Theresa.
Sorry, that's how I interpreted it.
You are right irritations from Retin A is actually counter-productive. I did say that already in my posts. Appreciate your valuable input here.
Wow 30 years using Retin A. Guess you would look alot younger than your biological age now! |
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Tue Apr 05, 2016 8:56 am |
Maybe it’s a difference in our ages and how long we have used EDS, but I know there are many people at least half my age who come to EDS in desperation and are looking for any and all signs of hope and whilst I can understand that you think everyone researches things thoroughly – they do not always do so especially when they are facing crisis with their skin etc and will often times jump at any sign of hope with topicals and or methods. Whilst I do acknowledge most people research I have seen countless youngsters during my time on EDS write things off like tretinoin or jump on the bandwagon and over use it in the hope of getting faster results based on a comment that was said.
I have used it for over 30 years, more like 35 plus and so am in full support of it in the right circumstances but also know how if someone is in a bad place emotionally and they read studies of how good Retin A is, they can sometimes jump on the bandwagon with great intentions and go crazy in the hope of getting quicker results and it always ends up with disasters. I have been there myself and so want to avoid that at all costs and it means correcting things that are sometimes incorrect.
All tretinoin creams are not identical they are different. Some do contain mineral oils (Renova, Rafissa for example are two ones that spring straight to mind) but not all do. Johnson and Johnson generic Renova cream doesn’t contain mineral oil. Anyone reading your original statement may think mineral oil is bad and now avoid tretinoin based on what you have said above.
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People who do research on the internet usually read from more than one source. You have to give everyone more credit than that. Most people are intelligent and are able to read. Any drugs taken/used is at each person (or guardian's) risk. Everyone got to take responsibility for heir actions.
Retin A does have risks which is why i have recommended to seek doctor's supervision.
I appreciate your good intentions and will try to be more specific in the future. Sorry,never did i think it could be misinterpreted to mean don't buy Retin-A it is bad for you. |
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Tue Apr 05, 2016 8:59 am |
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Maybe it’s a difference in our ages and how long we have used EDS, but I know there are many people at least half my age who come to EDS in desperation and are looking for any and all signs of hope and whilst I can understand that you think everyone researches things thoroughly – they do not always do so especially when they are facing crisis with their skin etc and will often times jump at any sign of hope with topicals and or methods. Whilst I do acknowledge most people research I have seen countless youngsters during my time on EDS write things off like tretinoin or jump on the bandwagon and over use it in the hope of getting faster results based on a comment that was said.
I have used it for over 30 years, more like 35 plus and so am in full support of it in the right circumstances but also know how if someone is in a bad place emotionally and they read studies of how good Retin A is, they can sometimes jump on the bandwagon with great intentions and go crazy in the hope of getting quicker results and it always ends up with disasters. I have been there myself and so want to avoid that at all costs and it means correcting things that are sometimes incorrect.
All tretinoin creams are not identical they are different. Some do contain mineral oils (Renova, Rafissa for example are two ones that spring straight to mind) but not all do. Johnson and Johnson generic Renova cream doesn’t contain mineral oil. Anyone reading your original statement may think mineral oil is bad and now avoid tretinoin based on what you have said above. |
I did not say mineral oil is bad. What gave you that idea. I actually recommended Renova in several posts. Renova has mineral oil. So does La Mer, one of the most ridiculously priced famous moisturiser brand. |
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