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Sun Feb 07, 2010 9:36 am  |
Katebargold,
I tried Origins "Checks and Balances" cleanser to be a great foamy one to do the Saeki massage with but it wouldn't work with the Tanaka. I had to do it over the sink where I could occassionaly add water. I'm happy with my oil mixture but still looking for a good cleanser that will take off the massage oil and not strip my skin. |
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Sun Feb 07, 2010 6:25 pm |
Hi Zoftig - For the Tanaka massage, I use the creamy carrot cleanser from NCN - keep a spray bottle nearby for occasional misting but that is
a rich creamy cleanser. HTH
DiPhx |
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Sun Feb 07, 2010 6:27 pm |
Diphix tha's a good idea. The foam cleanser has made my face all red and dry  .
I am going to use a rose cream cleanser and get the misting bottle happening. |
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Sun Feb 07, 2010 7:05 pm |
DiPHX
Thank you so much! I just checked it out - love the ingredients. I'm going to order it. |
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Sun Feb 07, 2010 7:11 pm |
| I started doing this nightly only 3 days ago. I look better in the morning is the only thing I've noticed so far. More to tell as time goes... |
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Sun Feb 07, 2010 10:18 pm |
| JLM wrote: |
So sad... I've stopped doing the Tanaka massage for the past few days & have realized that it is causing my breakouts. I had acne prior to starting the massage & was hoping that this was not the case, but unfortunately, it is.
My Dermawand is in the mail, so perhaps I'll be able to resume Tanaka when I get it. |
This is so strange. I'm getting an outbreak as well. Is it the oil? Or is it the massage? |
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Sun Feb 07, 2010 10:24 pm |
| I just bought a massage gel from FANCL. I'll use it tonight and see if it makes a difference. I'm really upset about the outbreak of pimples on my forehead after doing the massage =( |
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Sun Feb 07, 2010 10:30 pm |
| Im gettting breakouts along my jaw. They're like red spots. urgh no idea why too!!! |
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Mon Feb 08, 2010 3:14 am |
My skin is beautifully clear for the first time since Nov which is when I began Tanaka. I stopped Tanaka on 31st Dec.
I continue to use my oil which I randomly massage into my skin every morning and it doesn't cause me any problems/spots.
For me the problem was the massage technique and not the oil.
I'm too scared of another outbreak to try the massage with other creams/cleansers.
Has anyone who has suffered continuous (more than one month) of spots had luck by changing the product they use to massage with? |
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Mon Feb 08, 2010 3:29 am |
It's a little difficult to untangle what happened in my case: I started off using Shiseido White Lucent cleanser, but I was getting breakouts. I wasn't surprised by this at the time since I thought I was detoxing from my green smoothies & switching from .025 RA to .05. Then I switched to various plain oils: avocado, hempseed, and kukui nut. Still had breakouts. And *then* I added castor oil to the mix (at the time I was using kukui nut) and followed OCM protocol. This diminished my breakouts a bit, but it seemed like I was still getting 1-2 new ones/ day. Also, I was getting these little weird bumps along my hairline by my temples & behind my ears. I've stopped doing Tanaka but am continuing to do OCM at night. My skin became clear. Very sad, because I *loved* the Tanaka massage.
I am hoping that the DermaWand that I ordered will allow me to do the Tanaka massage by controlling the breakouts. |
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Mon Feb 08, 2010 3:35 pm |
 It is really heartbreaking to read what happens to you girls with all this breakouts and problems because of the Tanaka massage.
I am the lucky one, because I have only the benefits from it. I didn't saw neither one pimple on my skin since I started with it.
I saw some "wow" results in first days, and then nothing spectacular since few mornings ago when I realized how good my skin and face looks!
I think that I didn't change anything in my daily routine (everything the same - Retin A; CE DIY serum, and avocado or hemp oil mostly with some Avene moisturizer and eye cream) except I started to use Reversital microdermabrasion stick every other day. But I don't think so that it have to do something with Reversital.
My skin is very smooth, that's true - but my results from Tanaka are much more important than this.
My skin is much more firmer, face lines are so ...harmonious and balanced and soft.
I am so happy that I found out that Tanaka really doing miracle to me, and in the same time I am so unhappy to read about troubles you are passing through.  |
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Thu Feb 11, 2010 5:55 am |
| I have been doing the Tanaka massage for a couple weeks with just Avacado Oil from whole foods. I had been using it for a while so I knew it wasn't a bother to my skin. No breakouts. I haven't really seen any results with the Tanaka. I also don't feel any lymph drainage if you know what I mean. it feels good but with some other treatments I actually feel the drainage. Is it really doing anything? LD |
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Thu Feb 11, 2010 6:59 am |
| It's been a while since I checked in on this thread, it's so long! I've been doing the Tanaka massage since the beginning of the old thread, something around October or November I think. Anyways, I haven't experienced any "detox symptoms", so either I'm doing it wrong, or else I'd like to share with you guys what I do. I generally do the massage with my regular night cream, after cleansing and serums etc. When the cream is mostly absorbed I wet my hands with water and continue with the massage. It gives enough slip similar to oil, I just have to wet my hands several times throughout the massage. Afterwards, I just let the rest of the water dry on my face without patting dry. It works quite well for me, and I haven't found my skin getting drier, so I'm guessing the moisturizer is staying on somehow. Good luck ladies! |
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Thu Feb 11, 2010 7:32 am |
Like fat swan I have been doing the massage for a while. I had been experiencing what I assumed was detox breakouts from the beginning. Those seem to have subsided but Monday I got the dreaded "little bumps" all over my lower face! They look like tiny whiteheads but are hard to the touch.
I was originally using olive and castor oil. With the breakouts con't I decided to try Emu Oil for a couple of nights, then my regular serum or night cream. I have decided to wait a couple of days without doing the massage and see what happened. It is Thursday and all the little bumps are gone so maybe it is time to try again. |
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Fri Feb 12, 2010 6:58 am |
I've been using an oil mixture to do the massage. I've been feeling very smug about not getting any breakouts UNTIL I recently decided to shortcut all my steps. So I wouldn't have to wash my face twice, I decided to put the oil over my makeup, do the massage, and then wash my face after. I immediately started getting some zits. Needless to say, I've learned my lesson that I need to do the massage on a clean face and I won't be so smug in the future.  |
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Sun Feb 14, 2010 9:10 am |
| Hi. I tried the Tanaka massage a few times and it seemed to be improving my skin tone and deeper lines and I enjoyed it as it is relaxing. But...last night I used it again and maybe I was too harsh but my facial sagging was worse immediately after, the kind of sag when the facial fat falls more toward the middle of the face and into the jowls. I think I remember others here having that reaction and on Tanaka's video in English, she mentions to not do it the wrong way or you can have the opposite effects of what you want. Any thoughts. Thanks. I did the massage with a Shiseido mild cleanser. I think I will go back to the other method in the Japanese Skin Care Revolution or the Shiseido massage techniques as they seem milder. TIA |
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Sun Feb 14, 2010 10:09 am |
Hey everyone,
Those of you who are getting breakouts because of the Tanaka, have you considered the fact that it might be the Castor oil that is breaking your out? Castor oil is relatively unstable and can go rancid--you must be VERY careful handling it, otherwise it could cause a bacterial infection in your skin that is EXTREMELY difficult to get rid of.
I had this infection--perioral dermatitis--around my chin/jawline area for six months, and I had to take antibiotics to get rid of it. A friend of mine also used the same castor oil and got the same exact reaction, in the same place.
Just a thought! |
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Sun Feb 14, 2010 11:22 am |
| avalange wrote: |
Hey everyone,
Those of you who are getting breakouts because of the Tanaka, have you considered the fact that it might be the Castor oil that is breaking your out? Castor oil is relatively unstable and can go rancid--you must be VERY careful handling it, otherwise it could cause a bacterial infection in your skin that is EXTREMELY difficult to get rid of.
I had this infection--perioral dermatitis--around my chin/jawline area for six months, and I had to take antibiotics to get rid of it. A friend of mine also used the same castor oil and got the same exact reaction, in the same place.
Just a thought! |
I had some sagging when I overdid massage. I did it twice a day and that was too much. When I started to do it just in the morning - results were and still are just great.
...also there is warning of Tanaka on video about final move (from ears to collar bone) - if you did it on wrong way that can cause sagging too. |
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Sun Feb 14, 2010 11:26 am |
Thats interesting Avalange. How could you tell if the oil your using is rancid? I mean is there any obvious signs that can tell you this? Like smell, or texture perhaps.
| avalange wrote: |
Hey everyone,
Those of you who are getting breakouts because of the Tanaka, have you considered the fact that it might be the Castor oil that is breaking your out? Castor oil is relatively unstable and can go rancid--you must be VERY careful handling it, otherwise it could cause a bacterial infection in your skin that is EXTREMELY difficult to get rid of.
I had this infection--perioral dermatitis--around my chin/jawline area for six months, and I had to take antibiotics to get rid of it. A friend of mine also used the same castor oil and got the same exact reaction, in the same place.
Just a thought! |
You know I've watched that several times and I don't get it as both times that movement looks the same to me. I'd love to know the difference. The first one just looks like it starts higher up. Whats your understanding of the difference?
I'm going to incorporate Tanaka back into my routine soon, as it did give me good results originally before I got convinced to try the silly bone stuff. Tanaka was great for me though. I'd just want to ensure I'm not going to make another error.
| *mirjana* wrote: |
I had some sagging when I overdid massage. I did it twice a day and that was too much. When I started to do it just in the morning - results were and still are just great.
...also there is warning of Tanaka on video about final move (from ears to collar bone) - if you did it on wrong way that can cause sagging too. |
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Sun Feb 14, 2010 11:54 am |
| avalange wrote: |
Hey everyone,
Those of you who are getting breakouts because of the Tanaka, have you considered the fact that it might be the Castor oil that is breaking your out? Castor oil is relatively unstable and can go rancid--you must be VERY careful handling it, otherwise it could cause a bacterial infection in your skin that is EXTREMELY difficult to get rid of.
I had this infection--perioral dermatitis--around my chin/jawline area for six months, and I had to take antibiotics to get rid of it. A friend of mine also used the same castor oil and got the same exact reaction, in the same place.
Just a thought! |
It could be the case for some but definitely not my case. I've never used caster oil. My spots appeared a few days after beginning Tanaka and stopped appearing within days of stopping Tanaka. I tried again after a couple of weeks and yep, more spots arrived. For me it's the technique.
I've stopped Tanaka and am waiting for JLM's verdict on using the Dermawand to counteract the spots that do appear!
Or if anyone who suffered spots finds a way of halting them, I'll be back onto the massage. |
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Sun Feb 14, 2010 11:59 am |
| TheresaMary wrote: |
You know I've watched that several times and I don't get it as both times that movement looks the same to me. I'd love to know the difference. The first one just looks like it starts higher up. Whats your understanding of the difference?
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TheresaMary,
very important is to find out and to recognize where the lymph paths are. If you missed them your face could became saggy. You have to do final move from ear straight down to the collar bone - if you go obliquely to the face and to jaw tip you will be in problems because this line is not the lymph.
That is maybe the most important part of massage, so be careful and sure to do it properly. |
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Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:21 pm |
hi guys,
I should clarify that what happened to me and my friend wasn't just a "break-out," but tiny cyst-like whiteheads that could NOT be popped or rid of, that kept coming back in exactly the same places, and lots of differently-sized red pus-filled bumps everywhere along the jaw line. When I went to a facialist and had them all extracted, they all came back in exactly the same place, and with a vengeance. That was when I realized I wasn't dealing with acne, but with a bacterial infection. I ended up on doxycycline and clindamycin for two months, and everything cleared up just fine.
It makes perfect sense if your skin is breaking out as a result of lymphatic drainage, too.
I'm interested in this last mood causing sag, let me know! I've been doing the tanaka lightly and wihtout regularity, when using jojoba for facial massage in the shower. I like it, but get most of my lymph benefit from inversion and from dry brushing my entire body.
--avalange
| This is Miranda wrote: |
| avalange wrote: |
Hey everyone,
Those of you who are getting breakouts because of the Tanaka, have you considered the fact that it might be the Castor oil that is breaking your out? Castor oil is relatively unstable and can go rancid--you must be VERY careful handling it, otherwise it could cause a bacterial infection in your skin that is EXTREMELY difficult to get rid of.
I had this infection--perioral dermatitis--around my chin/jawline area for six months, and I had to take antibiotics to get rid of it. A friend of mine also used the same castor oil and got the same exact reaction, in the same place.
Just a thought! |
It could be the case for some but definitely not my case. I've never used caster oil. My spots appeared a few days after beginning Tanaka and stopped appearing within days of stopping Tanaka. I tried again after a couple of weeks and yep, more spots arrived. For me it's the technique.
I've stopped Tanaka and am waiting for JLM's verdict on using the Dermawand to counteract the spots that do appear!
Or if anyone who suffered spots finds a way of halting them, I'll be back onto the massage. |
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Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:37 pm |
| I finally found a cream that I think is going to work very well for the massage. It's CVS Vitamin E Moisturizing Skin Cream. I tried various and sundry creams, lotions and oils and they've all been too slippery or dry too quickly. The CVS Vitamin E cream is a very heavy cream giving me just enough slip without being slippery. And it doesn't dry out at all during the entire massage. The only downside is it's fragranced but I guess I can put up with that for the amount of time it's on my face. And the price is right - $5.49 for 4 oz. |
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Sun Feb 14, 2010 4:17 pm |
| This is Miranda wrote: |
I've stopped Tanaka and am waiting for JLM's verdict on using the Dermawand to counteract the spots that do appear!
Or if anyone who suffered spots finds a way of halting them, I'll be back onto the massage. |
Well, the verdict is still out on whether I can/ should incorporate Tanaka back into my routine-- but I can say that I really *do* love the DermaWand. It really does get rid of the spots & breakouts very quickly for me. In fact, I love it so much that I've ordered a professional high frequency machine with more *power* & use the DermaWand for travel.
So here's the deal-- the DermaWand cleared up my skin after I did an aggressive 1.5mm dermaroll, which resulted in the surfacing of some spots. The spots healed up very quickly using the DermaWand. I've been treating my skin with the DermaWand 2x/ day, about 5 minutes morning & night, & concentrating on the spots.
Well, I became overconfident & did the Tanaka massage 2 times back to back, that is, once in the evening, and then again in the morning. Each time I followed the massage with the DermaWand. However, I got 2 spots on my cheek on the following day. So now, I'm waiting for them to go away (treating them with the DermaWand) & will try the massage again, doing it only once/ day & follow with a DW treatment.
One potential problem is that the DW may be overly drying. Verdict is still out.
I miss the lift that the Tanaka massage gave me so much! I'm afraid that my NL's are more prominent than when I was doing the massage (but better than when I first started my quest to try & erase them, in September). The NL's also seem worse after I did the dermaroll. *Sigh.* Hopefully this is short-term.
On a side note,the Tian Yong accupressure DVD that Seanysean had started a thread about appears promising. I will work on doing this for the next week & post any results. What I like about the TY system is that it works the accupressure points without activating the lymph. (So hopefully no zits!) |
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Mon Feb 15, 2010 7:55 am |
| avalange wrote: |
Hey everyone,
Those of you who are getting breakouts because of the Tanaka, have you considered the fact that it might be the Castor oil that is breaking your out? Castor oil is relatively unstable and can go rancid--you must be VERY careful handling it, otherwise it could cause a bacterial infection in your skin that is EXTREMELY difficult to get rid of.
I had this infection--perioral dermatitis--around my chin/jawline area for six months, and I had to take antibiotics to get rid of it. A friend of mine also used the same castor oil and got the same exact reaction, in the same place.
Just a thought! |
Castor Oil is very stable oil that does not go rancid easily unless subjected to extreme heat. It should be expeller pressed and refined and has a long 2 yr shelf life.
I have never heard of it causing acne or breakouts or infections. Quite the opposite. It has very healing anti-inflammatory properties. It is the powerhouse ingredient in the popular OCM. Used straight 100% on you skin can be very drying, that is why it is blended into a carrier oil with a ratio that best fits your skin type when used for cleansing. It can also be applied directly to blemishes and left on overnight which reduces inflammation.
Unless you have very oily, blemished skin I would not recommend using Castor Oil alone for massage purposes. Jojoba, Emu, Grapeseed, Rose-hip, etc. would be better choices.
All in all, I do not think enough good things can be said about Castor Oil. |
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