DermaRoller
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Sat Oct 27, 2012 6:55 am

I bought my dermaroller (I bought 2) from amazon and paid $14.00 does the same as expensive ones.

free skin care · Sat Oct 27, 2012 10:34 am

Keliu wrote:

bethany wrote:

I definitely do have sensitive skin, and you are correct that I had a lot of inflammation from the Fraxel treatments I had. And you are also correct that I have issues with Retin A!

But does that necessarily equate to bleeding profusely when rolling? I try and press relatively hard, but I don't bleed. However, don't most instructions say to apply medium pressure? But I still worry that I'm not doing this properly!

packratmack wrote:

I think pinpricks of blood are sufficient. No need to look like an extra in a horror movie. Unless, you are bethany. Smile

Just kidding!

I agree with Pack...I don't think the kind of bleeding I have is required. As I understand it, key is to have some bleeding under the skin but it doesn't have to be excessive at all.

free skin care · Sat Oct 27, 2012 10:39 am

CookieD wrote:

This is kind of off topic but does anyone know if you bleed with the Dermapen. I think none of the videos I have seen have shown blood. Is this an indicator of whether it works are not? Confused

They promote minimal bleeding, because they asked about using my blood and gore pic as an example of what you do not go through with the Dermapen.

However, I am willing to bet my annual salary that I would still bleed a lot with the dermapen, since I have the same result when using a 1mm dermastamp. I think it is definitely a YMMV kind of thing. Btw, I get pinpoint bleeding from a 2mm, sigh.

I think we have discussed this in the past, but anyone who smokes will definitely have less pain and bleeding.

free skin care · Sat Oct 27, 2012 7:08 pm

Cross posting....

bethany wrote:

CookieD wrote:

Hi Bethany, please keep us updated on how you like the .02 roller because I need to order another one. Thanks.

Cookie, I am traveling this week and did not bring it with me, so I will update you the following week.

But I can tell you that my face was not red at all this morning which was a pleasant surprise.

Just an FYI that I am still loving the Environ CIT roller. I really likes the Environ stamp, but it ended up leaving stripes in the areas that I stamped. Sad

Fortunately the roller seems to blend things a bit better.

A couple of things to think about:

- I would not recommend purchasing the Environ Frown Serum unless you are prepared to use a penetration roller. It just doesn't work that well without the needling.

- If you are not prone to inflammation, I think the Dr Roller or Owndoc .25mm roller is fine for penetration rolling. But if you are prone to inflammation like me, the Environ CIT roller is worth the extra money in hopes of avoiding collagenase.

free skin care · Sat Oct 27, 2012 7:32 pm

I just noticed that the Environ roller does not have cross-linked needles, which may be why I am encountering less inflammation (a good thing for penetration rolling).

Something to things about when picking a roller for penetration vs. remodeling.

free skin care · Sat Oct 27, 2012 10:14 pm

bethany wrote:

I just noticed that the Environ roller does not have cross-linked needles, which may be why I am encountering less inflammation (a good thing for penetration rolling).

Something to things about when picking a roller for penetration vs. remodeling.

That makes a lot of sense. You really don't need the cross linking if you are not doing a deep roll. I really need to consider this roller.

Wed Oct 31, 2012 11:18 am

i'm dying to know the answer to this. i've been using a 1.5 on my face with 6 weeks between treatments. i wait less for the smallpox vaccine scar on my arm i am treating. i haven't had any bleeding at all aside from a few pinpricks that are barely visible. i basically look sunburned after a 1.5 roll. i can't roll any deeper! i rolled yesterday, and now my skin looks totally normal today! /:

free skin care · Wed Oct 31, 2012 11:21 am

daler wrote:

This may have been addressed here before and I apologize in advance if it has been.. but I was wondering what is the risk of transplanting mole cells, whether benign or malignant via derma roller and thus spreading em .... also same thing with hyper pigmented cells.. thank you

reposting it again, anyone? Thank you

free skin care · Wed Oct 31, 2012 4:55 pm

daler wrote:

This may have been addressed here before and I apologize in advance if it has been.. but I was wondering what is the risk of transplanting mole cells, whether benign or malignant via derma roller and thus spreading em .... also same thing with hyper pigmented cells.. thank you

reposting it again, anyone? Thank you

Any mole should be checked to make sure if it is malignant or not - then suitable treatment can be applied. I have a benign one on my face that I have had lasered (after pathology check) but it is still there. I've rolled over it many times and am now using the ReAura Laser on it. It is slowly disappearing. But I've never heard of transplanting benign mole cells.

So the bottom line is that any mole should be treated with caution and preferably checked by a doctor.

As for hyperpigmentation - according to all the reading I've done, needling is a very safe treatment for it. I have never heard of the danger of hyperpigmentation cells being spread.

free skin care · Wed Oct 31, 2012 5:11 pm

Thank you Keliu!

free skin care · Tue Nov 06, 2012 5:18 am

Last Sat night, I did my first roll (1 mm). My skin turned red right away and I did have burning sensation which lasted for 1-2 hours, though I had only few pinpricks. Next morning everything was fine.

On Sun night, I found my skin peeling a bit; yesterday my skin felt like a bit sandpaper which Tria & ReAura users had reported after laser treatment.

I think that I have a good "roll".

Tue Nov 06, 2012 5:24 am

Greetings all, I have been reading and following this thread for a while. I have taken the plunge and expect my dermarolling supplies soon. I would like to begin with the .5 for my first roll. The following roll I plan to use a 1mm. My question, how long is the optimal wait time between that first roll and subsequent roll? I also ordered the supplies for a vitamin c serum, so will use this prior to first roll. Thanks to all for the wealth of information!

free skin care · Tue Nov 06, 2012 6:02 am

auburneyz wrote:

......My question, how long is the optimal wait time between that first roll and subsequent roll?......

I folllow this protocol: 6-8 weeks.

free skin care · Tue Nov 06, 2012 7:40 am

bethany wrote:

I just noticed that the Environ roller does not have cross-linked needles, which may be why I am encountering less inflammation (a good thing for penetration rolling).

Something to things about when picking a roller for penetration vs. remodeling.

Bethany,

I've only ever used the Dr. Rollers....so I guess I am not sure exactly what the difference is? Do you mind expanding a little on what you mean here?

Thanks! BFG

Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:51 am

Thank you summer2004. I had thought of waiting four weeks, but I think I will stick to the six week schedule. Happy rolling!

free skin care · Thu Nov 15, 2012 4:18 pm

Hi people...first post here Cool

I see Sarah over at owndocdotcom recommends using her rollers that are cross lined (needles not straight across). She say's that they will offer better penetration to the skin than needles straight across. Seems most people that have used straight across needles have great results. Is it really that big of an issue? I'm mainly concerned with the 1.5mm size rollers. Thank you

free skin care · Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:59 pm

Can I use Castor oil or Rosehip Oil after dermarolling instead of the Infadolan cream from owndoc?

Also for pre-care, Can I use Rice Bran Oil, Cod Liver oil or Rosehip instead of Retinoic Acid(Vit.A/Tretinoin)

And for Vitamin C serum as pre-ca, can I also use Rosehip Oil instead?

Thank You!

free skin care · Mon Nov 19, 2012 4:36 pm

Great question morocha! I have a related question - hopefully we will get some feedback from our fellow rollers!

I have starting using Vitamin A (to prep for my first deep roll in a couple of months). No problem there: Using Osmosis Correct. As for Vitamin C, my skin can not tolerate L-AA. Is the MAP version ok (as far as skin prep for rolling)

TIA!

Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:39 am

Barefootgirl has mentioned a few in the past: Red Palm Oil, Avocado Oil and the Skin Actives Antioxidant Oil Blend. Here is one of her posts with more details: http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?p=509342#509342

In case it helps, here is her recipe (also in the Recipe Index under C Serums and also Post Dermarolling Serums & Oil Blends): http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?p=521494#521494

Smile

Tue Nov 20, 2012 6:23 pm

morocha wrote:

Also for pre-care, Can I use Rice Bran Oil, Cod Liver oil or Rosehip instead of Retinoic Acid(Vit.A/Tretinoin)
Thank You!

I bought Rosehip for post-roll as well as virgin palm. Plan on adding vitamin E. I certainly want to start out correctly for my skin type. I would love to hear other opinions on this oil blend. I have been putting off the intimidating first roll, as I want to prepare my skin for at least a month using the vitamin c serum, prior to beginning this journey.

free skin care · Sun Dec 02, 2012 8:48 pm

Just noticed that my under eye area and glabella lines are finally looking better...it has been 3 months since my aggressive dermastamp at the beginning of September. This is actually a bit earlier than expected, so I am looking forward to better results over the next couple of months as the collagen develops.

free skin care · Mon Dec 03, 2012 8:06 am

Hi Bethany,

I must have missed the posts where you mentioned using a dermastamp vs the usual rollers for those areas of the face?...curious as to your reasons for that?

Thanks, BFG

free skin care · Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:38 am

Barefootgirl wrote:

Hi Bethany,

I must have missed the posts where you mentioned using a dermastamp vs the usual rollers for those areas of the face?...curious as to your reasons for that?

Thanks, BFG

I decided to try a stamp due to the higher concentration of needles, and because the stamp is a bit less painful. But they can really only be used for very tiny areas.

free skin care · Mon Dec 03, 2012 12:04 pm

BFG, here is a pic I had posted the morning after a stamp treatment. I should have posted my update on the dermastamp thread, but I guess I just rolled all the needling stuff into the same kind of treatment. Confused

FYI...This bruising was way worse than I get with a roller.

free skin care · Tue Dec 04, 2012 12:14 pm

I just purchased an MT .5mm roller and used it for the 1st time last night - even though I had read on the owndoc.com site that you "mustn't roll eye area" I did anyway staying away from my eyeball. I was wondering (and I've read many of the threads on derma rolling on eds) if anyone could share their technique for doing the eye area - read somewhere to pull skin down when doing under eye area - I'm assuming pull skin up when doing upper eye area. I'm really hoping that this device will help with my sagging eyelids. Thanks in advance!

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