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Tue Jan 28, 2014 8:28 pm  |
Nonie,
you were one cute baby and grew into a beautiful women.
Very impressive results.
Thanks. |
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Early 50s, Skin: combin.,semi-sensitive, fair with occasional breakouts, some old acne scars, freckles, under-eye wrinkles; Redhead with hazel eyes |
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Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:03 pm |
Hi Tiptoedancer,
Can you perhaps share how does our under eye area look like after that many years of retin A? I'm curious since lately I've stated to develop some under eye wrinkles, so I was wondering how much can one actually achieve with topicals only...
| Tiptoedancer wrote: |
Hummm. This is a thread that seems to be revived from a few years back. Anyway, I've been using Retin-A on my eyelids and under eye area for 20 years! It has never been a problem. My eyelids don't look crepey and I'm in my late fifties.
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Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:09 pm |
| Nonie aka AD wrote: |
This is a little OT, but am I the only one who finds it knee-slapping funny that my eyebrows still look like they did when I was two?  (In many pics my eyebrows are filled in with pencil but I was getting ready for bed in that last pic so had just washed my face and so it was completely bare.)
Dr Oz said something about that scarcity of brows on the edges being a sign of thyroid problems. I dunno if that is necessarily true because my thyroid tests have been normal for as long as I can remember yet there ain't never been no hair follicles on the outer edges of Nonie's eyebrows since way before she was knee-high. So methinks if Dr Oz is right, then I am mutant of sorts with unique traits. |
Nonie - you crack me up.  |
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Enjoying dermalogica with my ASG and Pico toner ** Disclosure: I was a participant without remuneration in promotional videos for Ageless Secret Gold and the Neurotris Pico Emmy event. |
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Wed Jan 29, 2014 10:06 pm |
| agatha wrote: |
Hi Tiptoedancer,
Can you perhaps share how does our under eye area look like after that many years of retin A? I'm curious since lately I've stated to develop some under eye wrinkles, so I was wondering how much can one actually achieve with topicals only...
| Tiptoedancer wrote: |
Hummm. This is a thread that seems to be revived from a few years back. Anyway, I've been using Retin-A on my eyelids and under eye area for 20 years! It has never been a problem. My eyelids don't look crepey and I'm in my late fifties.
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Hi Agatha. Humm. Well, I really don't have wrinkles under my eyes at all. When I smile I get crinkles around the corners of my eyes but not under my eyes. I actually use a dermaroller under my eyes and then put Retin A on immediately after. Crazy? Probably. But it seems to work for me. Everyone has different skin and it really effects the outcome. I use the dermaroller on my undereye area about once a month with the Retin- A applied after. I use the Retin A every other day as a general skin care routine along with a bunch of other stuff. My skin care routine gets complicated. |
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Thu Jan 30, 2014 4:42 am |
| I think the eye cream just change a little. I recomend to massage the eye area with firming eye cream. |
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Thu Jan 30, 2014 1:01 pm |
| Tiptoedancer wrote: |
Hi Agatha. Humm. Well, I really don't have wrinkles under my eyes at all. When I smile I get crinkles around the corners of my eyes but not under my eyes. I actually use a dermaroller under my eyes and then put Retin A on immediately after. Crazy? Probably. But it seems to work for me. Everyone has different skin and it really effects the outcome. I use the dermaroller on my undereye area about once a month with the Retin- A applied after. I use the Retin A every other day as a general skin care routine along with a bunch of other stuff. My skin care routine gets complicated. |
Thanks for sharing!
What length of needles do you use for your under eye area? I've always been concerned with rolling this part of my face. |
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Fri Jan 31, 2014 3:04 am |
... and what strength of retin-a?
TIA
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Fri Jan 31, 2014 1:42 pm |
| agatha wrote: |
| Tiptoedancer wrote: |
Hi Agatha. Humm. Well, I really don't have wrinkles under my eyes at all. When I smile I get crinkles around the corners of my eyes but not under my eyes. I actually use a dermaroller under my eyes and then put Retin A on immediately after. Crazy? Probably. But it seems to work for me. Everyone has different skin and it really effects the outcome. I use the dermaroller on my undereye area about once a month with the Retin- A applied after. I use the Retin A every other day as a general skin care routine along with a bunch of other stuff. My skin care routine gets complicated. |
Thanks for sharing!
What length of needles do you use for your under eye area? I've always been concerned with rolling this part of my face. |
I use a 1.0mm dermaroller under my eye though I don't really roll it. As I come to the inner and under eye area I press it several times, piercing the skin and then reposition it with each press. For most people the under eye area is very small so it doesn't give much room for rolling. There is a slimmer dermaroller that has three rows of needles and this can be used too. You can roll it just a tad more because it's smaller. Be super careful around the eye area.
After that I use the Retin-A micro at .1% and I use it immediately after. I know many people apply different skin care actives like copper peptides and such several hours later with the explanation that the holes are still open but I don't buy that notion. Our bodies go into repair mode so quickly. If you've ever had a tiny cut or scrape or prick the body closes it up as fast as possible. I've never seen any studies on dermarolling and how long it takes for the holes to close up but logic tells me it's pretty quick.
I might also add that my skin, though very pale, isn't super sensitive so what works for me may send your skin into hyper-craziness. |
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Sat Feb 01, 2014 1:59 pm |
Thanks for the tips Tiptoedancer.
I use 1 mm roller for the rest of my face. If I gain some courage I'll try your press method the during my next roll - it sounds like a rather sensible approach. And if I press instead of roll, I feel I'll have more control over the device and I'll be less likely to go too far up.
I'll stay away from Retin A after the roll though. My skin doesn't like it even without rolling. |
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Natk
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Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:44 pm |
I was told by a naturopath that the upper eyelid issues are caused by accumulation of fluid in the first place. Like, first eyelids become puffy and only after some time - droopy. The puffiness is caused by either kidney or liver/ gallbladder issues, usually formation of stones in gallbladder or kidneys. You can read similar info here: (turns out I can't post any link here, so I have to modify it - just remove space between C O M and H T M) marysherbs.c o m/heal/heal-f-rP.h t m
Basically the idea is that whatever issues you have with skin, wrinkles, dark circles, droopy eyelids - all are results of a health condition. |
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Mon Aug 04, 2014 12:25 pm |
Hey everyone.
First of all I completely agress with that ^^^^^ basically saying that any skin condition is simply a side effect from your internal health conditions. However, for those of you who don't have the time/patience/motivation to spend hours researching what health conditions cause wrinkles/bad skin (or maybe it wouldn't take that much time, idk, i just needed a transition lol)..
What worked for ME about 1.5 years ago was LifeCell. And the weird thing is that I've read a lot of bad reviews on that product. All I know is that 2 years ago all of the sudden I couldn't apply eye shadow. Like, not AT ALL. It was terrible. I was 37 at the time, and i had no idea how my eye lids had become so squishy and wrinkly. So I bought LifeCell cream online, and I remember that after one week of use, all of the sudden I was able to put eye shadow on without the brush catching on my droppy skin. And now, I don't even use it anymore and my eye lids are perfectly fine. I wear the same amount of makeup that I did in my 20s (which is a LOT of makeup lol).
My only issue is crepiness under the eyes. So that's my next mission (to find out how to cure that for good). But LifeCell is what worked for me. It may not work for everyone, but my results were nothing short of miraculous |
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Tue Aug 19, 2014 5:15 pm |
| Natk wrote: |
I was told by a naturopath that the upper eyelid issues are caused by accumulation of fluid in the first place. Like, first eyelids become puffy and only after some time - droopy. The puffiness is caused by either kidney or liver/ gallbladder issues, usually formation of stones in gallbladder or kidneys. You can read similar info here: (turns out I can't post any link here, so I have to modify it - just remove space between C O M and H T M) marysherbs.c o m/heal/heal-f-rP.h t m
Basically the idea is that whatever issues you have with skin, wrinkles, dark circles, droopy eyelids - all are results of a health condition. |
It also could be that a person is simply getting older. |
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Wed Aug 20, 2014 8:03 am |
| I've been using Retin A on my eyelids for several years now without any problem. |
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Thu Nov 24, 2016 4:21 pm |
| Hi yuyu. I think Creamy Eye Treatment with Avocado from kiehls is good. It's just my view |
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Fri Nov 25, 2016 2:39 am |
I was told by my derm to use Retin A on my eyelids and have done so for probably about 20 years. I was advised to start slowly and with a weaker strength and work up to using it every night over the course of 12 months!
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| I've been using Retin A on my eyelids for several years now without any problem. |
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Wed Feb 22, 2017 11:39 am |
| I have had success using my clareblend and using my retinol creams on my eyelids. |
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Thu Sep 06, 2018 7:25 pm |
| I have inherited eye problems. I think eye problems will be difficult to solve once they arise. I regret not using eye cream when I was young. If you can start using eye cream when you are young, eye problems will be reduced a lot. |
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Fri Sep 07, 2018 4:04 am |
| Do daily exercises to help strengthen the muscles in your eyelids and tone loose skin that may have begun to sag. The Eva Fraser Fitness Center in London, England, reports that performing eyelid exercises for 10 minutes each day, at least four days a week, can help some people tighten the loose skin on their eyelids. Raise your eyebrows and put a finger under your brow bone to hold the skin in place. Close your eyes in several incremental movements, rather than one sweeping motion, and hold the position for six seconds. You should feel the pull of your lids as your keep your finger in place. Open your eyes, and repeat.It will help you a lot. |
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Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:52 pm |
Hi Puddodles, the minty version of Strivectin is now replaced by strivectin sd which has a different ingredient as the original (Matrixyl).
For products containing Matrixyl, you will have to go for Olay by P&G as they bought the exclusive right to use this ingredient.
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Hi Yuyu! I'm a total rulebreaker when it comes to "avoiding the eyelid" - I always include the eyelid when I use eye treatment (and I've never suffered for it)...If you are interested in something specifically designed for the lid that works really well you might want to try Elizabeth Grant's Eyelid Restore. It gives a nice lift (and is well-priced)....Dior's Model Lift for the Eyes is (was?) excellent - I'm not sure if it has been discontinued, though...If you can take a vitamin C serum (5%) on the lid then I'd definitely go that route...I use Vivier 20 on the lid - no problem...but you'll have to experiment..some people are too sensitive...Of course there's good old Strivectin - which I use easily on the lid (*very* sparingly!) - but beware - it wasn't designed for the face (never mind the eyes!), and has quite a strong minty scent that makes some people's eyes water - but for me it's been transformative...I love it - and my eyelids look great (if I do say so, myself!)
Good luck!
Pudoodles |
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Sun Feb 10, 2019 5:49 pm |
| You can try to use a tightening eye serum, you find a lot of great products online. |
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Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:59 pm |
Which one(s) have you tried?
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| You can try to use a tightening eye serum, you find a lot of great products online. |
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Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:15 pm |
| Hello, everyone! Hope you are all well and healthy <3. Just touching base to see if anyone has a product and/or routine they see results with for eyes? Wrinkles and slight sag are what I am looking to work on. Any thoughts appreciated! |
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Wed Jun 10, 2020 9:11 am |
Not true!
You can use the same cream/serum under the eyes as on the eye lids.
I've been doing it for years!
Here's the caveat:
Test it out for a day and if you don't notice any adverse reactions the next day then keep on going. |
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