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Fri Mar 10, 2006 9:13 pm  |
| The esthetician at the beauty salon recommended me to buy a face cream with collagen.She said ladies over 50 yrs of age should use these kinds of cream to provide firming effect. Is that true? |
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Fri Mar 10, 2006 10:39 pm |
| In a nut shell--no. It adds nice moisturizing and hydrating affects to a cream. There are a few different forms of collagen, none of which (that I'm aware of) have "firming" capabilities. Collagen is found in the dermal layers of the skin and from I understand no cosmecuticals can penetrate this layer.Your best bet to enhance/support collagen is a Rx retinoid product. HTH |
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Early 40's, normal/dry, Oily T zone (summer) fine lines, hyperpigmentation |
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Sat Mar 11, 2006 12:15 am |
| So far, I have heard the same thing. Collagen molecules are too large to penetrate to where you need them. |
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Sat Mar 11, 2006 12:14 pm |
Isn't matrixyl (or at least its claims) a small enough collagen to actually penetrate?
Melissa |
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Sat Mar 11, 2006 8:38 pm |
| The AlphaDerma CE I use has collagen and elastin and I believe that's one reason why my skin feels and looks firmer. |
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Sat Mar 11, 2006 10:50 pm |
As we age, we lose collagen from underneath our skin. This is one of the causes of older looking skin. The only thing I know of that increases collagen is Retin-A.
DMAE in a product will help with sagging skin.
Never heard of Matrixyl. |
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Sun Mar 12, 2006 2:20 am |
Hiya, I thought Matrixyl was a pentapeptide ( yes and a very small molecule!) rather than collagen ( either natural or synthetic) itself. These things (peptides like Matrixyl and Dermaxyl ) are supposed to encourage your own skin to produce collagen more effectively ( as the sub dermal "scaffolding" that holds up the skin and lessening of it as we ages shows up as sagging) rather than to try and infuse collagen itself into the dermis. 
Glycolics to a degree "excite" the collagen fibres under the surface to act more "upright and dense" over time too apparently.
I think they realised eventually that as collagen is something we produce naturally, what we need are methods to just encourage it's effective regeneration within our skins ....because it can't be just replaced by synthetic or collagen molecules ( not just because of the size molecule) and integrated into human subcutaneous tissues as a simple replacement for our own. When you think about the sheer difficulty/compatibility issues in getting human beings to accept other organs/tissues when transplants are needed.... it isn't surprising really.
What a pity! They used to have lots of "Collagen" creams back in the 70's and 80's with that notion of simple replacement, often using bovine collagen... not anymore, time and testing have shown the idea just doesn't work in practice and encouraging our own collagen fibres to "behave" better again is the way to go. Till they come up with some other new idea eh? Always something else coming along isnt there?  |
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Oily/combo, not sensitive fair skin, Brunette ( now!), mid 40 |
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Mon Mar 13, 2006 12:25 pm |
| Just wanted to say thanks, muzzie, for such a clarifying response. I have been wondering about which ingredients could be firming for the skin and always get it mixed up when it comes to looking for a products that contains collagen or a product that contain ingredients that encourage production/support of collagen. |
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Mon Mar 13, 2006 2:31 pm |
Thanks muzzie,
your right it is touted as encouraging collagen growth, its found in strivectin and a ton of products now. I used a serum for about a yr or so and liked it well enough till I stopped using it and had absolutely no change 
Melissa |
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Mon Mar 13, 2006 6:38 pm |
| Hi girls. Thank you for your comment.I know what it is now. |
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Mon Mar 13, 2006 8:18 pm |
You're welcome!  |
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Oily/combo, not sensitive fair skin, Brunette ( now!), mid 40 |
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Fri Mar 17, 2006 8:48 am |
One of our new members who was interested in taking the now infamous hyaluronic acid nutritional supplements for lip plumping recently made her maiden post and provided us with a link to a website run by health journalist Bill Sardi, who authored a book entitled “How to Live 100 Years Without Growing Old.”
Here’s the link to Mr. Sardi’s website: www.knowledgeofhealth.com/report.asp?story=Living%20Long%20Looking%20Young&catagory=Anti-Aging,%20Resveratrol. You’ll want to click on the button to download the PDF for his “anti-aging report” for some interesting reading. Naturally, I find the part about taking HA pills orally the most edifying! For those of you who don’t know, collagen and hyaluronic acid are the building blocks for our skin.... |
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Über-oily,semi-sensitive, warm/fair-skinned redhead, 38...Will swap/shop for members outside U.S. and/or make homemade skincare products upon demand-PM me for details. |
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Fri Mar 17, 2006 12:16 pm |
| Peptides encourage the skin to produce collagen in the skin, which are amino acids, the building blocks of collagen in the body. Also glucosominoglycans which are found in retinol and glycolic/AHA products also help stimulate collagen in the skin, and hyaluronic acid is naturally found in the skin and is said to help build collagen as well. But collagen in the bottle does not begat collagen in the skin, the molecule is too large to penetrate the epidermis and get into the dermis where it would be able to repair itslef. So we have to use amino acids/peptides in order to help stumulate collagen, also worth trying are products like TNS by skin medica with human growth factors, or fibroblasts, which are also supposed to help stimulate collagen growth via releasing hormone impulses into the skin that signal the skin to repair itself. |
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