skin ceuticals vs cellex C
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Mon Dec 01, 2003 11:16 pm

Hi, I am brand new here. I am currently using Lancome (spot corrector) but seems not working well for me. I am asian with a very fair skin tone, my skin is easy to get irritated and I have some freckles and brown spots on my cheek.

Since I have heard so much about Skin Ceuticals and Cellex C products from this forum, I am thinking to switch to either. My biggest conern is my brown spots on cheek (not too dark or too many, but definitely visible). Can anyone tell me what products should I use, skin Ceuticals or Cellex C? Any what are steps of using them? Thank you so much for your help!

Tue Dec 02, 2003 10:41 am

Hello,
I'm Asian as well with fair, sensitive skin. I've tried Cellex-C and didn't see much change. I'm awaiting my order for Skinceuticals Serum 15 and will update you with the results. Usually vitamin C works best for my brown spots since hydroquinone is too harsh and I don't see results with kojic acid. If it's a serum I put it on first, followed up with a moisturizer and sunblock.

Hope this helps.

Tue Dec 02, 2003 12:42 pm

I would use the Skinceuticals/Primacy Phyto + Corrective Gel. This effectively breaks up melanin deposits, and prevents them from reoccuring. If your skin is sensitive, however, you may want to try a sample before buying. You can request this when placing an order for other products.

A different suggestion for sensitive skin: Kinerase lotion or creme. This product gently promotes cellular division, increasing collagen production, fading brown spots, moisturizing the skin, without compromising the skin's moisture balance. It is gentle, and most people with sensitivities can tolerate this product.

Wed Dec 03, 2003 5:02 am

Thank you Skinsplurge and Caspers Mum for your suggestion and help.

Skinsplurge: can you tell me which Cellex C product you found ineffective and for how long had u been using it? Since only Cellex C is availabe at where I live (Hong Kong), I was thinking to try Cellex C, but now I think I would just wait for you to update me with the result of Skin Ceuticals before I make any decisions. Would you think 15% vitamin C too much for your sensitive skin? Looking forward to hearing your update, if it is convenient to you, please send it to angelafoo@excite.com.

Thank you so much for you help. Smile

Wed Dec 03, 2003 2:45 pm

Hello,
The Cellex-C products I tried were the High Potency Serum and Eye Contour Gel. I used for about 6 weeks and didn't notice much change. I just started the Skin Ceuticals today and the box says the product may sting upon application, but it didn't, so I'm taking that as a good sign for my sensitive skin. Will update you with results, if any. Keeping my fingers crossed!

Wed Dec 03, 2003 4:04 pm

I just wanted to add that one should always give a product time to do it's work - at least six weeks! Though improvement may not be noticable to yourself, it may be noticable to others. Why? Because we're so used to seeing our faces all the time, and are often our own worst critics. Example: you're trying to lose weight, and think that it's not coming-off ... until someone else notices, and asks if you've lost weight, or mentions that your face is looking thinner.:P

Thu Dec 11, 2003 12:12 pm

I've been using the Skinceuticals 15% serum with the Primacy Phyto+ and the Eye Balm. I definitely see more clarity and softness in my skin and I attribute that to the 15% serum. The freckles on my cheekbones have gotten lighter as well. At first it didn't sting, but now it tingles a little bit more and I like it (makes me feel like it's doing something). I've also started using it morning and evening without any irritation. Definitely better results for me than the Cellex-C. The jury's still out on the eye balm, going to give it a little bit more time.

Thu Dec 11, 2003 3:21 pm

Thank you so much on the review, skinsplurge! It came earlier than I expected, seems like you have been using it for like a week or so.... I wonder if you also use any hydra 5b gel along with your 15% serum as the serum seems to dry out your skin. Do you think I can see any lightening effect with the 15% serum alone ( without using Primacy Phyto+)? I have been always wondering for how long can I use the 15% serum and primacy phyto+ ? one year? 2 years? Will they do any damage to my skin (eg, thining skin layer, etc) if it is used for a prolonged period? Cannot wait for your review on the eye balm. Have you ever tried the eye cream by Cellex C? Sorry for so many questions as I really need help on my problem skin. Thanks !!!

Fri Dec 12, 2003 1:30 pm

I haven't used the hydra 5b because I've been finishing off my old creams on top of the 15% serum. Once I run out of my creams, I'm going to try the kinerase lotion on top of the serum (you have to wait like 5 minutes to make sure it's absorbed completely). I've also heard that the TNS Recovery Serum is getting good results, but haven't herd much feedback. I think that the 15% serum is what has made the most changes in my skin clarity. I did try the cellex C eye cream and didn't see much difference. Eye creams are "iffy" with me anyways because I have Asian eyes (hooded eyelids). The most I can ask for is to help with any puffiness. With the primacy eye balm, the eyes feel tighter but don't always look tighter.

Hope this helps! Let me know if it works for you!

Fri Dec 12, 2003 6:58 pm

Angela,

The B5 serum is very good and from my understanding it's very important to use something moisturising when you are using a vit C serum. I used to use the B5 gel when I was using Skinceuticals Serum 10. I have since ran out and instead have been using the Sothys Hydrogel de Liposomes. I'm not sure if it is as moisurising as the B5 but it does the trick for me and I really like it.

The B5 gel is also great when you're using higher concentration Glycolic/Salicylic Acid products as they tend to dry out your skin. When used in combination my skin didn't dry out or peel at all!

HTH.

Sat Dec 13, 2003 10:09 am

Thank you Mabsy and Skinsplurge, your info really helps. I am wondering if the high potency serum can be used as long as I want? Will they do any damage to my skin if a it is been used for a prolonged period of time?? Do you know?

Sat Dec 13, 2003 6:35 pm

Angela,

As far as I know there is no time limit for the use of the serums. From what I read the serum not only reverses (to some extent I guess) existing damage but also protects your skin from future damage caused by free-radicals; so it makes sense to keep using it to protect your skin. I hope I'm getting this right. I just ordered a 20% serum myself (the Vivier one) and I plan to use it from now on unless it's too strong for me (I've only tried a 10% so far; I'm 26).

Mabsy

Sun Dec 14, 2003 6:52 am

Thanks for the info, Mabsy ! Of which brand the 20% serum you are going to use? Please let me know how it turns out to be as I always feel that 20% is quite high. By the way, I am using the Cellex C hydra 5B only once a day (in the day time with the 10% serum), it works well except that it causes an acne or two on my face.... Sad

Wed Dec 17, 2003 6:26 am

Oopsy! Sorry Angela, I forgot to reply to this. There's been so many posts this week that it's hard to keep up! Smile

Love it!

I just placed my order last Friday and the serum is made by a company called Vivier. It's a Canadian brand I believe and it's one of the most recent additions to the products available online from EDS. I'm very impressed with the 10% Vivier serum (sample from EDS from a previous order). I will let you know how I go with the 20% serum, I should be getting it sometime soon. I'll let you know if it feels too strong, as far as long term effects are concerned - get back to me in a few months Smile

Wed Jan 14, 2004 2:12 pm

Hello again!
I've been using an odd combination of a little bit of everything and have been happy with the results. I am almost done with the Skinceuticals Vitamin C 15 serum (will be purchasing more, maybe the 20), I put the Skin Medica TNS serum on top of that and the kinerase cream on top of that. Figure one or more would combat my brown spots.

Over the holidays I got a big cystic zit on my chin (I'll get one single painful one either on my chin or the corner of my forehead - an aesthetician said it's from too much dairy). Of course it turns brown once healed. Luckily with this combination of products, it's fading pretty quickly.

I don't have to use cover up on the brown marks anymore unless I'm going to be in the public eye and am overall pleased with my skin these days. This is a huge relief after dealing with melasma on my upper lip for years.

I'm not sure I'm thrilled with the skinceuticals eye balm though. Still looking for an eye cream for puffy eyes and that can tighten up my upper eyelids.

Thu Jan 15, 2004 9:18 pm

Thanks for the info Skinsplurge. I have been using Cellex-C Vit C serum 10% and the hudra B5 and the brown spots on my cheek seem to be fading a little (hope it is not my illusion). But the result is not that apparent. After finish this bottle, I will definitely try to use Skin Ceuticals.

Regarding the eye cream of Skin Ceuticals, which exactly did you use and found ineffective? I am looking for an eye balm as well.

Fri Jan 16, 2004 4:51 pm

I think I have the skinceuticals primacy eye balm. It's okay, better than most and perhaps I'm looking for a miracle product. My eyes have been a little puffy underneath and I want something to maintain the firmness of my upper eyelids to avoid them creeping over my lashes like my mom's. The single lid Asian eye has a tendency to droop over time. My mom and grandma both had to have eyelid surgery.

Sat Jan 17, 2004 12:29 am

If you have found a good eye balm that will help firming your upper eye lid, please let me know. As far as I know, eye products of Cellex C cannot be applied to upper eye lids, so is Skin Ceuticals.

My upper eye lids droop too, but I am only 32, I was thinking to have my surgery too. Were your mom and Grandma satisfied with the results? And by the way, where did they have that done and how much?

free skin care · Sat Jan 17, 2004 1:23 am

Hi Angela and Skinsplurge,

I found this discussion really interesting and I hope you guys don't mind me jumping in as it applies to me as well, especially now that I'm considering using Vit C later on in the year towards winter-- I found a few freckles I developed over Christmas from sun exposure Sad

(they are on one cheek closer to my nose, they weren't there before and I'm so angry as I only didn't apply sunscreen ONE morning when we were in a rush to go to Xmas Mass)...so I'm hoping to get rid of them or at least fade them with Vit C. Your feedback is giving me hope Angela.

I've got a sample of the Skinceuticals Primacy eye balm with my latest order from EDS and have used it a couple of times. I will have to take more notice of its firming affects next time I check out my eyes.....

About the Asian single eye lid, I hope Skinsplurge gets back with more info as I'm interested to know as well! My own eye lids seem to change on their own in that I will have days or a week of single 'thin' lid that feels heavy to look out from, then I will have a month or so of a normal 'larger' lid which makes me look more mixed-Asian race (my mum has French in her background). My mum's own eyes looked larger in her 20's and 30's as she had deep-set or 'hollowed' eye lids but as she's aged the droop has also settled in, like there is more fat underneath the skin. She's found that eyecreams don't counteract this effect-- it's just age and gravity. I would be really happy to find out more about eye lid surgery as well because if mum has it, then I'm likely to get the droopy lid as well and as they say with surgery-- never say never.

Summertimegirl

Sat Jan 17, 2004 9:04 am

Hi summertimegirl

I always apply sun block no matter I am outdoor or indoor. I have been using the serum for about a month and I am starting to see some results. I think Skinsplurge is using Skin Ceuticals as she told me about one month ago and I am eager to learn how it works out for her.

Mon Jan 19, 2004 11:45 am

Hi Angela and summertimegirl,
I'm pretty pleased with the combination of Skinceuticals 15 Serum, Skin Medica Serum, Kinerase cream for my hyperpigmentation. So much more effective for me than the hydroquinone and other lightening products route

My mother and her mother both had the eyelid surgery. Their lids got so hooded that it impeded their vision and insurance covered it. I'm in Los Angeles, California so there are quite a lot of surgeons to choose from. Luckily a friend of the family (now retired) specialized in working on Asians. He actually suggested the eyelid suregery on me when he had to re-set my broken jaw, but I don't want to do anything until it's absolutely necessary. My mother went from her eyelids covering her eye lashes to having double eyelids. She also got the permanent eye liner done (since you can actually see it now!). Her eyes look bigger and more alert.

I'm assuming this is something that will happen in my future, but intend to do all I can topically to put it off as long as possible. So my new quest is a) a good eyelid firming product and b) a good neck/décolleté firming product!

Tue Jan 20, 2004 6:01 am

Hi Skinsplurge:

Thanks for all the info you gave, they are very informative. I have never tried Kinerase or Skin Medica Serum, can you tell me exactly what you use and how is your daily routine with these 3 products together? I have quite thin and sensitive skin, do you think Kinerase and Skin Medica are suitable for me?

Having heard about your mom's surgery and many others, I am seriously considering having mind done and am now searching for the right surgeon in Hong Kong area, if anyone heard any great surgeon in HK, kindly let me know. Thanks !

Tue Jan 20, 2004 5:08 pm

Okay, my skin regimen is a bit odd, but my skin is very sensitive and has specific needs. Lately my main focus has been on getting rid of hyperpigmentation and I've been using the following products in the order below:

1. Skinceuticals 15% vitamin C Serum
2. Skin Medica TNS Recovery Complex
3. Primacy eye balm
4. Kinerase Cream

Sometimes if I need more moisturizer, I'll put on Cle de Peau, Aloette or La Mer, basically whatever I have left, then of course, top off with sunblock (SPF 30). This is the first time that I've seen results, used up the products and re-ordered. Usually I'll either build up an allergic reaction over time or my skin would hit a plateau and not improve (happened with La Mer products). If I listed all the products I've tried and got a rash from, this posting would be 10 pages long!

I've also been taking MSM to help with the Melasma which caused a brown smudge on my upper lip. That's different than the normal freckles and took longer to get rid of. Happily that's pretty much gone after a couple of years of trying everything!

I'm in my mid thirties and get mistaken for being in my mid-twenties. Part of it is the Asian thing, but I'm a lot happier with my skin now than I was a year ago.

Whew, didn't mean to write a novel! Hope this helps and be careful when it comes to surgery. Find someone in your area that's had it done and if you like the way it looks then get a referral. I've seen some cases where the doctor didn't do a very good job and the person's eyes looked totally uneven!

free skin care · Tue Jan 20, 2004 5:21 pm

Hi Skinsplurge and Angela,

Thanks Skinsplurge for sharing your info, it's reassuring to know that we can do something about our eyes if they ever do become so droopy that they effect our daily life in general. I'm glad that both your mum and grandmother benefited from the surgery and didn't have any problems. My cousin had eyelid surgery on her eyes at age 17 as she had no eyelid and unlike mine which developed as I got older, hers didn't. She's happy with the surgery and it's given her a lot of confidence in herself.

Like you Skinsplurge, I'm doing what I can to keep my eyes area in top condition by using the best products topicallyand protecting them as much as possible. I guess the rest is up to health and lucky genes.... Thank God for EDS for having the best products on earth :P

Summertimegirl

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