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Fri May 12, 2006 1:38 pm  |
Hi girls,
Can anyone tell me where can I order Vivier stuff? I just noticed that we can't purchase it from EDS.
Also, for the Retin A users, do you have to get it from your doctor? I don't really have severe acne problem and I just want it as part of my skincare routine. But I think it doesn't sound like a legitimate reason to the doctor? How you gals start to get the prescription? 
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Fri May 12, 2006 2:18 pm |
If you want to order the Vivier you need to call or email EDS.
As for the RetinA if you are in the US and want to do it legally then yes you need to get a prescription from a doctor. Unless you are very young I don't know why most doctors would not prescribe RetinA for antiaging. but then again I have acne so have never had to worry about trying to find a doctor that would just write out a RetinA prescription for antiaging. |
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Fri May 12, 2006 2:19 pm |
Dermatologist.
When first introduced to retin-a, I was able to purchase it directly from my OB-GYN's office, which has a professional skin care practice in the office--for laser treatments, microderm, etc. The professionally trained RN who runs this practice recommended it to me after a consultation.
I went to a dermatologist about a year ago to have a couple of suspicious spots checked out (after my mom's persistent urging, who has had a few spots of skin cancer). After the exam I asked him about skin care products and he recommended Renova. He gave me oodles of samples of both strengths, and wrote a prescription for the strength "specified by patient" along with several refills.
There are plently of wonderful non-prescription retin-a products out there as well. Skinceuticals, and kinerase are two that I've used that do a good job, een though they're not quite as strong as prescription. If I were to go back to non-prescription, I would definitely use Skinceuticals Retinol. |
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Fri May 12, 2006 4:17 pm |
thanks TheresaL and debra. Now I know how I can get the vivier VC that I always wish to try.
As for retin A, I am afraid my doctor won't even give me the prescription for 'prevention'. But I will try :P
Another question for Retin A: Is it safe to start with the 0.025%? Do you use it as spot treatment or all over your face? Is it safe to be used under eye area? |
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Sat May 13, 2006 6:54 am |
| When I started with Retin-a, my doctor had samples of the 0.01%, 0.025% and the 0.05%. I worked my way up from the 0.01% which really gave me no irritation at all. If you want to use it for anti-aging you should use it all over your face especially the areas prone to wrinkles, like the forehead and eyes. I've done it where I just put a thin layer around my eyes just like an eye cream and seen mild peeling within days. |
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Sat May 13, 2006 2:23 pm |
It's really odd your doctor won't give you a script. I know people who've been on it for 15-20 years and they did not have acne etc. and some were in their 20's. Did you ask the doctor why? It's very important to know these things. I've learned you must always ask dr's "why" when they tell you to start or quit something.
You should start with the lowest strength which would be 0.01%.
You can get it atwww.medsmex.com (I think that's correct) whithout a script.
You put a "pea sized" amount over your face. I apply it with one finger. When I'm finished, I pat that finger underneath my eye. That way I don't get too much under my eyes. |
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Sat May 13, 2006 4:25 pm |
| retin-a is very expensive to pay for out of pocket in the states. For me, getting the prescription from my doctor was easy. Getting the insurance company to pay for it, however, is the more difficult part and requires more from the doctor. Also, my doctor didn't carry samples, so if you want to try out strengths first, you may want to go to a dermatologist. |
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Mon May 15, 2006 10:44 am |
Tangerine wrote:
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thanks TheresaL and debra. Now I know how I can get the vivier VC that I always wish to try.
As for retin A, I am afraid my doctor won't even give me the prescription for 'prevention'. But I will try :P
Another question for Retin A: Is it safe to start with the 0.025%? Do you use it as spot treatment or all over your face? Is it safe to be used under eye area? |
Sorry for not responding sooner! Just caught this.
EDS sells Viver Vitamin C serum....just send an email to them and they'll send an email back to you with the pricing, based on which strength you request.
Regarding the retin-a 0.025%....this is the strength that I started with, and eased into using this, applying just a pea-sized amount all over my face every other night. You can certainly use as a spot treatment, and yes, I did, and still do, use my Retin-a product on the area under my eyes.
Regarding your question or concern about obtaining a prescription for a Retin-a product for "prevention".....I, personally, would not use a prescription Retin-a product for "prevention." I already have the sun damage, fine lines/wrinkles, uneven texture, etc.....I'm using this product to help reverse these conditions, and maintain. I've never had problems with acne, so I never even considered using retin-a until I was 42.
As others have mentioned above, I do get a prescription from the doctor, but this is not covered by my medical insurance. The cost, which is high in the U.S, comes out of my pocket. I recently purchased a 60gram tube of Renova .05% for about $170 US. A 40 gram tube lasts me about six months, so this should last me at least 9 months, with means I'm spending about $20/month for this retin-a product. (Micro retin-a--Renova--is more expensive than Tretinoin.) I would love to transfer my U.S. Renova prescription refills to a Canadian pharmacy and save some money!! (This isn't legal, is it?? Hmmmmm...if it is legal, I'll have to check into this! Please excuse my ignornace)
***Note--I also use Renova on my neck and declotte, and hands, so I go through tubes more quickly than than the average person who applies to face only. |
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Mon May 15, 2006 11:11 am |
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Regarding your question or concern about obtaining a prescription for a Retin-a product for "prevention".....I, personally, would not use a prescription Retin-a product for "prevention." I already have the sun damage, fine lines/wrinkles, uneven texture, etc.....I'm using this product to help reverse these conditions, and maintain. I've never had problems with acne, so I never even considered using retin-a until I was 42.
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Debra why would you not use RetinA for prevention? I have used Differin (not RetinA but weaker in case anyone is wondering) for 8 years for acne and have sort of assumed that I was getting some antiaging benefits to boot. To be honest I have never really looked into whether retinoids should be used for prevention or not because I have always had another reason for using them. That being said, one of the big questions I have about retinoids is whether they should be used as a preventative treatment or not. So I would be very interested in hearing your opinion on this. |
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Mon May 15, 2006 11:50 am |
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| Debra why would you not use RetinA for prevention? I have used Differin (not RetinA but weaker in case anyone is wondering) for 8 years for acne and have sort of assumed that I was getting some antiaging benefits to boot. To be honest I have never really looked into whether retinoids should be used for prevention or not because I have always had another reason for using them. That being said, one of the big questions I have about retinoids is whether they should be used as a preventative treatment or not. So I would be very interested in hearing your opinion on this. |
Hi Theresa,
I never had issues with acne or oily skin. I guess I was born with a dry skin type and never experienced breakouts, except for an occasional pimple--during that time of the month--on my chin, cheek or nose during my teenage years. (Believe me, when I did get one, it was HUGE!) Having no need for a retinoid type product to treat acne, I never thought of using it, as a "preventative" anti-aging product. I started using (drug store, and Mary Kay) moisturizers, eye creams and masks in my 20's, and have gradually increased the actives, along with my knowledge(!) through the years.
Had the information, and product lines, been as readily available 20 to 25 years ago, I probably would have used more preventative-type of products for my appropriate skin type....like sunscreen...along with other beneficial non-prescription products. If the knowledge, information, products were available 20 years ago, and I used sunscreen, appropriate AHA's, emollients, glycolic and lactic cleansers, scrubs etc during my teens, 20's and 30's, who knows if I would even feel the need to use a retin-a product today!
If I would have had issues with acne, I certainly would have strongly considered a retin-a type product for "treatment" and be thrilled with the anti-aging benefits.
Sorry about the length....hope I made sense. |
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Mon May 15, 2006 2:56 pm |
| Thanks for your reply Debra. BTW it does make sense to me, I am always interested in what people have to say about such things! |
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