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Wed May 18, 2005 3:27 pm  |
OK here goes, the big review 
Since the begining of April I've been using Skin Prep and ADCE.
Skin Prep - clear gel, no noticable smell and nice consistency, very easy to apply. I've been putting this on my forehead, under eyes, around jaw line and down neck. As this dries I can actually feel the skin tightening and smoothing.
Once the skin prep has dried I follow with the Vivier eye serum (around eyes) and either Kine-C or C+C serum over the rest of my face & neck.
Five mins later it's the turn of the Okusil around the eyes. Now I've only been using this around 3 weeks but the results have been great. Again it's a clear gel that's more sticky than the skin prep and easy to apply. I would say that I've had a 60-70% reduction in the severity of my under eye circles. So much so that I could almost cover them with foundation only  For the record my circles are due to very pale skin and I've had them as long as I can remember. They always appear worse when my allergies flare up (allergic rhinitis - lots of sneezing), which has happened in the last 2 weeks, so the results are doubly amazing. 
As far as the ADCE, that gets applied to the forehead, jawline and neck in the morning and occasionally over the Okusil in the evening. The ADCE is a white lotion that has a slight "Soya milk" smell IMO. It takes a bit of gentle massage to get it fully absorbed and only a small amount is needed.
The results of the Skin prep and ADCE has been around a 70% reduction in the depth of my wrinkles/creases overall. The neck area has probably had closer to an 80% reduction.
Other observations, products used. I have been using a small amount of moisturiser (Dr Hauschka) and eye cream (Cellcosmet) in the morning as my foundation seems to go on smoother when I do. However I think I'm going to be looking at tinted moisturisers soon as I don't think I need the coverage of my regular foundation 
I can't see me giving up any of these products in the future - they are now at the top of my must have list  |
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Wed May 18, 2005 3:35 pm |
I am glad that you are getting great results. I wish I had those results when I tried the AD/CE.
Winnie has had fantastic results with JB products. It was her raving about the products that got her the job with JB.I think Ian must have been impressed with her results and realised what a great asset she would be to his company. she totally believes in the products and the proof that it can work is plain to see on her face.
I hope you continue to get good results. |
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Wed May 18, 2005 4:29 pm |
| Susan C: Were you heavily wrinkled to start with? How old are you? |
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Wed May 18, 2005 4:43 pm |
Susan,
I am thrilled your skin is loving AlphaDermaCE and the Mineral Prep. Somehow I take reviews on JB personal. After all, I raved about it for months before I started working for them and still do. Please let me know how things go as the weeks and months go by.
Sharky, I know you directed your question to Susan. In my case I never was heavy wrinkled. My face lost tone. That is when I decided to give AlphaDermaCE and Mineral Prep a go. |
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As I am getting older I realize my biggest beauty secret is smile more and frown less. Be aware that wrinkles do not make a person unattractive. Cynicism, unforgiveness, anger and jealousy are the real culprits. Sixty something  |
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Thu May 19, 2005 7:51 am |
I have been using this product for approximately one month and I LOVE IT! I am 38 years old with fine crows feet and forehead lines. This product does has wonderful ingredients in addition to Argireline. It even contains sunscreen! My crows feet have responded quite well to the AlphaDerma CE. Between my morning and evening application, I use Camellia Oil as a light moisturizer.
My forehead lines have responded, but not to the degree that my crowsfeet have. I feel like a trader, but I bit the bullet and ordered Relax-a-line with Vialox. I have used it exclusively on my forehead lines for 6 days and it has made an amazing difference. The product, however, does not have the lovely consistency that the AlphaDerma CE has. It is very watery and seems purely "medicinal". It has, however, had some immobilizing effect on my forehead lines. Only time will tell.....but it seems to really work. I would, however, only use this new product on really stubborn lines. |
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Thu May 19, 2005 8:06 am |
| sharky wrote: |
| Susan C: Were you heavily wrinkled to start with? How old are you? |
Almost 42, and about the right number of wrinkles for my age  I haven't got much sun damage as I like to keep out of the sun because I'm so fair and generally my skin is quite well behaved, only the occasional hormonal outburst to contend with  |
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Thu May 19, 2005 1:10 pm |
I love them too!!!!!
Lori |
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Normal/Dry~slightly sensitive~usually clear~fine lines on forehead and neck~Age 36 |
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Mon May 23, 2005 12:43 am |
I've been using the Prep, ADCE, and Okusil for a while now. I plan to give a review on all of them after I have been using them longer and have more of an idea as to the results. I will say that I have been really happy with the Okusil on my dark circles. For some reason, I had been getting these really dark circles and a hollow-eyed look.  I still have some darkness in the inner corner areas, but overall the darkness has improved so much. I don't know if I will lose all of the dark circles eventually or not, but until the Okusil nothing had worked at all. |
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Mabsy
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Thu May 26, 2005 5:33 am |
My mum has been using the JB lineup (skin prep, ADCE, and Okusil) as well as a 20% Vivier C serum for ages now and she continues to see great results with this regime. I know that some people have mentioned that they see immediate results in terms of wrinkle reduction but for a while my mum saw results in just skin texture (she was thrilled with that too! ) and it took a few weeks to see the good results. She had some pretty deep wrinkles so the results have been impressive. Her favorite product in terms of improving skin texture is the Skin Prep gel. She went overseas and didn't take it with her and when she got back she said she's never travelling without it again She's also dropping hints about her upcoming birthday and the words that frequently come out of her mouth are "ADCE" (she ran out and stole mine while I was away! ) and "Vivier". Oh well, it makes my job easier  |
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Sun May 29, 2005 4:45 pm |
Hi, a question for successful ACDE users. Some people say it has dramatically reduced frown lines and horizontal forehead lines. I'm not using the ACDE on my dynamic lines (frown, forehead) anymore because it seems to make them look worse.
Difficult to describe, but it really kind of bunches my forehead muscles up and accentuates the lines. I'm suspecting it's the DMAE as I had the same experience using the Perricone DMAE. I always feel the lines on my forehead are 'overdeveloped' from years of raising my eyebrows (my lines are much worse after teaching all day). I'd be good for Botox if only people who used it didn't look so freaky. Argeline, by the way, doesn't do much for me there either.
Anyway, I tried the ACDE for ten days or so on my forehead and was looking nasty so dropped it in that area. Finally, what I really want to know is did you experience 'the ugles' before improvement? Should I try again? M |
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Sun May 29, 2005 7:53 pm |
Molly,
Those words again "the uglies." We talked about the uglies so much when copper peptides were the big topic.
Please let me go back many months: When I first started using AlphaDerma I noticed an immediate tightening of my facial skin. As the weeks and months went by my face just got firmer. Now at my age that was AWESOME! When I was just a customer of JB I can remember saying to I.S. that I thought my crows feet looked a little deeper. My whole take on this was that where my face was firmer and more lifted the lines around my eyes seemed more prominant. I was not concerned about this as I just liked the overall look of my face. Granted you are much younger then I but do you think that this could have happened to you in a smaller way????? Certainly, don't go back to AD if it was not for you. Just thought this might make some sense.
BTW: my crows feet have softened quite a bit. Everything has balanced out. In my case, I would rather have a firm neck and face (the best I can with a topical).
To answer your question: No, there is not a period of the uglies with AlphaDermaCE. Most people know immediately if they like it.
Regarding your forehead: I style my hair daily and have always sprayed with spray without considering what it does to my forehead. For the past year I have put a tissue under my bangs before spraying my hair. Spray is aweful for your skin. Just an observation.
Idea: for your forehead try getting a chart on the web of accupressure points. When you massage the points on your forehead it really helps relax that area. I fairly recently took a course on this (accupressure facelift). BTW it makes you feel great too. Your face gets nice and rosy with increased circulation. |
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Sun May 29, 2005 8:18 pm |
I experienced no adverse effects. Are you using Skin Prep under the ADCE? It's quite tightening. If you're only applying ADCE on the lines, why not try your entire forehead (or vice versa)?
Molly, I've had Botox a few times (too lazy and tight-fisted to have it done regularly) for the fret lines between my brows and I don't think I ever looked unnatural. However, people who have multiple facial areas treated probably do look expressionless. The effect only lasts about 4 months (give or take), so why don't you give it a try? It may be just what you've been looking for! |
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Sun May 29, 2005 8:48 pm |
Hi Winnie & M.April
Winnie, I do massage - I sent you a long email about face exercises not long ago, remember? But it only has a temporary effect. I think I know where the pressure points are just by experience, but it would be interesting if you could post something.
M.April. Oh no! I met one really terrifying woman who'd been botoxed. I'd never do it. She looked like the living undead and I'm not a naturally smiley person so I think I'd look unfriendly all over.
I'm not only using the ACDE on lines. I use it all over happily, it's just my forehead that doesn't seem to get any benefit. And I do use the prep half the time. I'm just wondering if this tightening and accentuation of the furrows is a precursor to the skin rebuilding and thickening or not. M |
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Sun May 29, 2005 9:00 pm |
Molly - Maybe you've encountered people who've tried Botox but you didn't realize it -- because it was performed by an experienced professional and wasn't overdone
Do these forehead furrows tend to run in your family? If so, perhaps your musculature will never respond adequately to any topical solution. I think your interst in optimal sun protection, including wearing hats, is a big step in the right direction. |
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Sun May 29, 2005 9:13 pm |
Actually April that was the most frightening thing about it. She was an experienced professional working in Harley Street and she was injecting my eyes with collagen at the time. I thought Jesus if that's what the professionals do to themselves then what kind of a dog's dinner would I end up looking like.
mmmm....I think you've mistaken me for someone else. I did say quite a lot on the BB...sunscreeners thread, but I was actually arguing that there may be some validity in research opposing the use of 'chemical' sunscreen.
Yes, I think it does run in the family, but I think I'm going to give Frownies a go next if no-one is more encouraging about the ACDE.
Thanks - M |
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Sun May 29, 2005 9:19 pm |
Yes, Molly now I remember our long email on facial exercise Sorry, we talk to so many people. You must consider my age. You certainly know a lot about exercise.BTW I am learning the scalp routine . I just found that the acupressure course I took relaxes and softens the face. This is a short paragraph and a diagram of some of the points. There are many more points. Will try to scan and get to you. The points can be found easily as there is a little indentation that your finger fits comfortably in. You just gentle massage in circular motions 30x's left, then 30x's to the right. Perhaps this is not the thread to post this...just wanted to respond to you.
The face has a complex muscular structure. Each facial muscle is constantly busy performing a multitude of movements. Consider the full range of emotions, movements and expressions your face makes every day. Even as you dream your facial muscles are working. When facial muscles are massaged and exercised regularly, all the metabolic processes are stimulated, which means facial circulation is improved, capillaries are strengthened, the facial lymph system is cleansed and the skin becomes blemish-free. Whatever your skin type, it will respond to facial massage positively, because massage keeps the collagen and elastin fibers wet and warm which encourages and stimulates their growth. With each facelift massage, the toning benefits increase because muscles have memory.
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Sun May 29, 2005 11:56 pm |
Certainly no uglies here my routine from the start has been Skin Prep, Vit C serum (Vivier Kine-C or C+C) followed by ADCE, with ADCE being the only thing that is massaged in.
I've been doing this religiously twice a day since the beginning of April. |
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Normal skin, dry and sensitive in winter. Very fair, burns easily. Early 40's |
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Tue Nov 07, 2006 7:33 am |
I start to notice the crow feet around my eyes now, but this looks like an good item to try.
has anyone with sensitive skin tried this product? |
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Tue Nov 07, 2006 7:34 am |
| BTW, great face acupuncture pictures! |
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Thu Nov 09, 2006 4:54 pm |
| I have quite sensitive skin and am eczema-prone with some allergies. I've been using the skin prep and AdCE for about 3 weeks. I've had no problems and am pleased with the results so far. - I'll probably repurchase. Hope this helps. |
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Fri Nov 17, 2006 8:24 am |
I am starting now to get sunken cheeks. I have on and off used skin SkinCeuticals lines. It has improved my complexion quite a lot, but it seems that my face can't stop looking older each day
I think JB is on my list this x'mas |
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Fri Nov 17, 2006 6:13 pm |
| I thought you cannot wear Vit. C with ACDE. Am I right? |
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Sat Nov 18, 2006 4:17 am |
| Molly wrote: |
Hi, a question for successful ACDE users. Some people say it has dramatically reduced frown lines and horizontal forehead lines. I'm not using the ACDE on my dynamic lines (frown, forehead) anymore because it seems to make them look worse.
Difficult to describe, but it really kind of bunches my forehead muscles up and accentuates the lines. I'm suspecting it's the DMAE as I had the same experience using the Perricone DMAE. I always feel the lines on my forehead are 'overdeveloped' from years of raising my eyebrows (my lines are much worse after teaching all day). I'd be good for Botox if only people who used it didn't look so freaky. Argeline, by the way, doesn't do much for me there either.
Anyway, I tried the ACDE for ten days or so on my forehead and was looking nasty so dropped it in that area. Finally, what I really want to know is did you experience 'the ugles' before improvement? Should I try again? M |
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Sat Nov 18, 2006 4:21 am |
| Molly wrote: |
Hi, a question for successful ACDE users. Some people say it has dramatically reduced frown lines and horizontal forehead lines. I'm not using the ACDE on my dynamic lines (frown, forehead) anymore because it seems to make them look worse.
Difficult to describe, but it really kind of bunches my forehead muscles up and accentuates the lines. I'm suspecting it's the DMAE as I had the same experience using the Perricone DMAE. I always feel the lines on my forehead are 'overdeveloped' from years of raising my eyebrows (my lines are much worse after teaching all day). I'd be good for Botox if only people who used it didn't look so freaky. Argeline, by the way, doesn't do much for me there either.
Anyway, I tried the ACDE for ten days or so on my forehead and was looking nasty so dropped it in that area. Finally, what I really want to know is did you experience 'the ugles' before improvement? Should I try again? M |
Back in April I had the same experience with the ADCE . I got a sample and in order to use it for as long as possible i put it only on my forehead-lines - and they got relly worse. After 2 weeks of regular, every day use i dropped it. |
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Sat Nov 18, 2006 4:23 am |
| I'm glad to hear it Lin because my DMAE experiences always make me sound like a lone freak. Just tried another sample, the IN from DY and yep, again bunchy up lines. |
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