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Thu Jul 13, 2006 10:58 am  |
Hi everyone,
I had a few questions about sunscreen. Do we always need to reapply sunscreen even though we don't sweat throughout the day? for example, i usually wake up in the morning and apply my moisturizer then sunscreen. I am usually studying in my airconditioned room until 3pm, then i drive (30-45 minutes on the road) to school. should i have to reapply my sunscreen prior to leaving my house if i already have it on still from the morning? i usually only reapply around my mouth area since i eat and am sure it gets washed away around there. but is it really necessary to do the whole face? |
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Thu Jul 13, 2006 2:37 pm |
I recently heard that you need to re-apply every two hours when you are in the sun.
Now,we need someone to invent a light weight,skin softening lotion with great protection.
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Thu Jul 13, 2006 6:16 pm |
This is too funny...skincareaddicted, skin care addict, and skincarefreak. i think we have the skincare part covered  Anyhow, from what I hear it's every two hours for chemical sunscreens and every four for physical. |
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Thu Jul 13, 2006 7:18 pm |
Yeah, I don't think it matters if you sweat it off or not ... you still need to reapply it on a after a certain time (depending on the SPF).  |
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Thu Jul 13, 2006 7:40 pm |
Actually, 'expert' opinion varies on this. With the photostable euro SS some sites and a doctor say once a day is enough if you're not exerting yourself; sweating and producing excessive sebum.
With not so stable chemical ones, yes it's an absolute must to reapply every 2 hours because the UV radiation breaks it down.
With minerals - you can see them. I really don't think it's necessary except for touch ups where you rub your face or it comes off like around the mouth, chin on me and nose.
So generally speaking I wouldn't worry too much if you're getting low exposure like a typical working day if you use a stable euro SS or minerals unless you're going for a long hike after work. |
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Thu Jul 13, 2006 10:22 pm |
| I also thought that with the stable European 'mondo' sunscreen you don't need to reapply. In fact, they are hard to get off, even after a long day. I only can get them off with OCM. But that has actually started to freak me out. I'm thinking about switching to a more natural, physical SS. Maybe it would be nice to take a little break in the afternoon to rinse my face and reapply it. I don't wear foundation so that part wouldn't be a problem. Maybe I would just mix it with a drop of Hauschka bronzer and rub it in and go. |
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Thu Jul 13, 2006 10:38 pm |
| Hi Michelec - I've had enough of the euro SS too and the cloying factor. After a year of it I'm rebelling. Have you tried the new Clarins UV plus SPF 40? (100% mineral screens) It's quite a delight to wear - so light and matt. |
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Thu Jul 13, 2006 10:52 pm |
| Oh, thanks Molly, that's a great idea. I think I heard about that one and that people like it. I think it's expensive. But then, it would just be for my face and I could make it last. |
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Fri Jul 14, 2006 1:48 am |
that is too funny! i thought i had accidentally replied to myself for a second there
Molly, i have heard that european sunscreens offer more protection than japanese sunscreens, but i am so addicted to the milky lightness of japanese brands, and what i am using now has an SPF 50+ PA+++. anyhow, the brands i am using now have mineral ingredients so i guess i am ok.
michelec--i am not sure how much protection u need, but if you can't stand the heaviness of euro brands, i suggest you try some japanese ones as they are awesome. i am currently using sofina, kanebo, and omi sun bears and they all offer the same level of protection they are just a little hard to get a hold of if you aren't in asia, i get mine from ebay. i have heard the clarins one is excellent, and i plan to pop into macy's to grab a sample.
thanks ladies, i feel reassured now. |
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Fri Jul 14, 2006 2:58 am |
Trouble is Skincareaddicted that it's like Michelc says the nice physical blocks like you use have much lower UVA protection. I never saw one go higher than 8PPD (if I'm wrong there I'd be pleased if someone would tell me higher), whereas the euros tend to start at 15 and can go up to 28 or even higher. There's no comparison.
So euro SS are yucky to use but high anti-aging and physical SS are nicer to use and whitening but not wholly protective at a deeper level.
So now I'm feeling naughty but nice with my mineral screen. |
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Fri Jul 14, 2006 3:00 am |
| The two sunscreens that I use most often don't appear to need re-application as I am able to stay out in the sun all day without any hint of burning. They are Kosmea SPF30 and Remergent SPF30. |
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Fri Jul 14, 2006 5:09 am |
This may be a stupid question as I've just STARTED to use sunscreen (I only used to use makeup with SPF 20), anyways, can I apply it to my eyes? Or are you not supposed to?
Btw - I use the Clarins one. |
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Fri Jul 14, 2006 5:32 am |
| Sormuimui - It's fine on your eyes. The insert even says so. But it makes mine water a bit if I go too near the edges. |
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Fri Jul 14, 2006 6:06 am |
| skincareaddicted wrote: |
Hi everyone,
I had a few questions about sunscreen. Do we always need to reapply sunscreen even though we don't sweat throughout the day? for example, i usually wake up in the morning and apply my moisturizer then sunscreen. I am usually studying in my airconditioned room until 3pm, then i drive (30-45 minutes on the road) to school. should i have to reapply my sunscreen prior to leaving my house if i already have it on still from the morning? i usually only reapply around my mouth area since i eat and am sure it gets washed away around there. but is it really necessary to do the whole face? |
I've been thinking about this as I often walk home in the sun.
I guess it depends on the type of sunscreen.
Thinking about it, if I'm using my green people sun cream it contains Titanium dioxide, natural Cinnamic acid and Edelweiss extract. Now the titanium doesn't wear out - it has to be removed but the other DOES degrade somewhere between 2-4 hours (I don't remember the exact figure) which is why they ask you to reapply after a couple of hours. So while the UVA would be fine because of titanium the UVB protection would have worn off.
That's how I understand things to be. 
http://www.greenpeople.co.uk/Organics_Features_UV_Exposure.htm |
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Fri Jul 14, 2006 7:05 am |
| I've finally splashed out on the Clarins and it really is as light and non-greasy as everyone saya. What an improvement! |
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Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:02 am |
Hi, just getting on line on the west coast. So, I think as I was tired last night I may have gotten UVA and UVB mixed up. But most of my info is from MUA where they have TONS on info and I think some people have biology backgrounds and they know their stuff.
The gist is the titanium is not as high of a PPD and not lasting as long. But I may not be caring so much anymore. All the info made me frothy and it was too much. I am in Seattle where it's rarely burning sunshine so there's that. I also am moving to more natural products so there's that. And also, I want to buy from companies not testing on animals (just my deal, don't want to start a whole discussion). That's where it gets hard. So, that could rule out a lot of the European and Japanese ones.
So, my head could explode. I want to be protected and I want to look good at 60 (I'm 37), but I don't want to look freaky and pasty in the meantime. It's probably multifactioral and really not JUST about the SS anyway. |
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Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:37 am |
Hey Eve, I just checked out the greenpeople and it really looks like an option. It sounds like it meets my goals and is a company I would support. I may try it and just make it a point to reappy once in the afternoon. Maybe combine it with a water and snack break.
Thanks. |
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Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:45 am |
| Molly--Yes, i read recently about the PDD levels of euro versus japanese sunscreens. it offers more protection, but my god, the feel is so unpleasant. i really do avoid the sun like a plague and wear a hat at almost all times, even with sunscreen on. but i do think if i were to spend a whole day outside, i would need to go euro. does anyone know what PPD level the clarins on offers? |
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Fri Jul 14, 2006 10:16 am |
| Eve--thanks for the link, i just read it, it is jam packed with information as well as links to the ingredients to some of my sunscreens, very awesome! |
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