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Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:13 pm  |
I am 41 and starting to notice that I am getting quite prominent elevens between my eyes. Frown lines, are another term for this type of wrinkle. I have been contemplating botox, yet I am just not sure if its right for me, as I am really into health and boxox is apparently toxic for the body. I use Luzern products, which have been working incredibly well at keeping my skin looking great.
I would be open to maybe fillers or some other gentle procedure that has been beneficial to reduce the appearance of these lines.
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Wed Sep 02, 2015 6:42 am |
For some of us who have a very powerful glabellar muscle, botox is the only choice unless you can find an exercise to completely relax that muscle. That is why topicals do not work that well there alone. Once the muscle is relaxed, then the fine lines can be worked on via peels, retinols,etc.
It all depends on how deep the lines and how strong that muscle is. |
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Joined the 50 club several years back, blonde w/ fair/sensitive skin, Texas humidity and prone to rosacea, light breakouts and sunburns, combo skin type, starting to see sundamage and fine lines |
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Wed Sep 02, 2015 10:38 am |
| I used to have terrible 11's but they are gone now since doing this exercise that completely got rid of them. I take my 2 first fingers hold them tightly next to each other, creating a closed peace sign. Then, I rub my 11's up and down slightly fast with a bit of pressure. I do this for a count of 30. Each back and forth motion counts as 1. Do this 2x a day 4 days a week and you will start to notice a difference in about 1 month to 6 weeks. It really works! |
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Thu Sep 03, 2015 6:56 am |
| Thats a good one Ollie, I will try it! |
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Joined the 50 club several years back, blonde w/ fair/sensitive skin, Texas humidity and prone to rosacea, light breakouts and sunburns, combo skin type, starting to see sundamage and fine lines |
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Thu Sep 03, 2015 4:09 pm |
Mine never bothered me too much until I realized that a scowl kind of affects your entire expression. I've been working on relaxing it for a few months but will definitely give this one a try, Ollie.
After just trying it a few times you can feel the muscle relaxing.I believe it could work! |
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cocoisfit
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Thu Sep 10, 2015 1:32 pm |
| Along with the exercise Ollie mentioned, I've been applying Curad or Nextel tape in 3 layers, 2 in an 'X' and 1 across my forehead directly over the lines. It has prevented the lines from deepening, and actually smoothed them. |
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Fri Sep 11, 2015 5:13 pm |
I really like Furlesse. I buy from EDS. Same idea as Frownies but these are transparent. Frownies are brown.
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/furlesse_line_reducing_patches.htm
There is other patches available also.
Of course I agree with keeping hydrated. I have not tried any facial exercises faithfully to suggest any that work. |
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LuluOnBeauty
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Sat Sep 19, 2015 5:09 pm |
| Natural life style or not, botox is the only thing, in my opinion, that truly works. Do more research about the toxic thing, there is quite a bit of misinformation about that. Aside from vanity, Botox is used for migraines, extreme sweating and other medical purposes. It's a derivative of a toxic but that does not mean Botox is toxic the body. |
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Sun Sep 20, 2015 7:00 am |
Okay in your opinion botox is the only thing that "truly" works - could you elaborate on your experience/education here?
I have many friends who opted for non-chemical methods and had great success. Yet I must confess what scares me about botox is not when it is used to treat medical conditions like hyperhydrosis but the fact that it can actually speed up muscular atrophy and degeneration. Botox literally paralyses the muscle, so it prevents any and all movement, which as we all know - muscle wise if you don't use muscles for long periods they start to degenerate and atrophy. Same with bone. Plus because it is a fluid, many of the experts I have heard speak against botox argue that as it is a fluid - it travels within the body which is why it has to be repeated every few months. There is no telling where that botox is going to end up - hell maybe even the brain??
My friend who has botox for hyperhydrosis for example (excessive sweating) has it once a year in her under arm and upper chest region (sweat glands) but doctors have even in the past told her that a year is too short - and she shouldn't have it for at least 18 months. My friend who has botox in her forehead had it every 6 months.
| LuluOnBeauty wrote: |
| Natural life style or not, botox is the only thing, in my opinion, that truly works. Do more research about the toxic thing, there is quite a bit of misinformation about that. Aside from vanity, Botox is used for migraines, extreme sweating and other medical purposes. It's a derivative of a toxic but that does not mean Botox is toxic the body. |
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Mon Sep 21, 2015 2:23 pm |
[quote="TheresaMary"]
My friend who has botox for hyperhydrosis for example (excessive sweating) has it once a year in her under arm and upper chest region (sweat glands) but doctors have even in the past told her that a year is too short - and she shouldn't have it for at least 18 months. My friend who has botox in her forehead had it every 6 months.
You might want to suggest electrolysis to your friend that has excessive sweating. I used to have the same problem when I was younger and electrolysis helped plus age and Certain Dri.
As for the 11's, I've had some luck using a good matrixyl serum and a rich moisturizer. It doesn't make the lines go away but has reduced their depth. I use NCN's Multi-Active Peptide Matrixyl serum. |
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Mon Sep 21, 2015 6:53 pm |
i am super health conscious and used to worry about Botox too, but its effect is pretty local and it works the best in this location.
And yes, botox is used for migraines at waaaaaaay higher amounts. Really, you could ask for a very small amount to test it out. Just don't let them inject in your frontalis muscle (not the 11s but some doctors do it anyway) |
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Fri Oct 09, 2015 3:17 am |
This is going to sound crazy, but I noticed 11's starting to form too and did a lot of research and study trying to find out the causes and the remedies.
I believe the main reason for the 11's is fat and bone loss in the forehead, I don't think it's muscle/movement related as much, just that as you lose the volume the muscles have more space to move around causing deeper wrinkles. Bascally the skull kind of caves in and you get that sunken forehead look. This is my thoughts anyway.
I got filler in my forehead to give it a more rounded and youthful contour and it fixed the 11's right up. Now I know that it is considered a danger zone, but if done carefully I think it is much more natural looking and better than botox. It is popular in Asia.
As an added bonus, the extra volume in the glabella has pushed my eyebrows out a bit in the centre and I don't look so "angry" anymore as my eyebrows don't point downward there as much and are now a little straighter.
Dr Naomi has an excellent blog with photos to give you an example of what I mean. I can't post links so please search her blog with:
dermal-fillers-for-horizontal-forehead-lines
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non-surgical-face-shaping-links-photos |
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Fri Oct 09, 2015 11:43 am |
Botox is one of the safest drug on this planet. Actually, it is much safer than Aspirin. Lots of studies on Botox on pubmed.
Make sure you use the smallest effective amount possible. There is no need to overdo it. |
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Thu Nov 19, 2015 4:45 pm |
| Botox works because the muscle can't keep exercising and building. Another way to achieve this is to become very aware of all your expressions and control them. |
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Fri Nov 20, 2015 5:46 am |
How does a drug that paralyses your muscles become "one of the safest drugs on this planet?".
I have no problem with people opting for it - but to say it is safe is a huge over emphasis. There is a need for proper training in admitting it, and there have been a lot of horror stories where untrained people have carried out and the person has suffered as a result.
Comparing it to Asprin is stupid. How can you compare a medicine you can buy over a counter to one you have to go to someone with substantial training. Sorry but I got to call a spade a spade here and botox and aspirin are nothing alike!
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Botox is one of the safest drug on this planet. Actually, it is much safer than Aspirin. Lots of studies on Botox on pubmed.
Make sure you use the smallest effective amount possible. There is no need to overdo it. |
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