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Tue Sep 26, 2006 5:05 am  |
Hello!
I have been using the Ystheal Emulsion Lotion (with Retinaldehyde), and noticed 2 days ago a small brown patch developing on my cheek (below the undereye area). I wake up this morning and now see a 2nd brown patch appearing next to the other brown patch. The brown patch is flat, tanish (looks like an age spot type thing).
Ystheal is the only new product I have added to my skincare routine and have been using it faithfully for 1 week every night. Is this Ystheal Emulsion causing these brown patches? My skin has never had any sun damage or patches or discolorations showing, so this concerns me? Should I stop using it.
Ystheal is the only new product I am using (I use SkinCeuticals CE Ferulic in morning with B5 Gel and SkinCeuticals Intense Line Defense serum 12% AHA every night before I put the Ysthal lotion on). Also, I use an SPF 30 Sunblock every morning. What do you think is causing this? Is the Retinaldehyde exfoliating skin that is revealing these brown patches below? Help! |
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Tue Sep 26, 2006 6:07 am |
Hi
Could be that you're exfoliating much more strongly than before with the 12% AHA plus the Retinaldehyde.
I did have a colleague who went for a facial which suddenly revealed melasma for the first time. I can only imagine that they used really strong exfoliants and she hadn't before and maybe it was waiting to emerge.
I've remember reading online before that someone had melasma appear after a facial too.
They're both just accounts and I really can't imagine what the science or the reason is behind that happening. It seems a little mysterious. You would think it would emerge anyway without exfoliants.
Maybe you should either use the AHA or the Retinaldehyde, perhaps alternate nights.
I wonder if this has happened to anyone else here.
Edited p.s. you could ask them here - on the skincarerx melasma board if you're really worried about it - they'd be more likely to know.
http://skincarerx.com/phorum/list.php?3 |
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Tue Sep 26, 2006 7:32 am |
Hi MystyPines - I've used Ystheal for many months now and haven't experienced any increased pigmentation. But I only use it a couple of nights a week at most, and in general, I've cut back on using acid products or any exfoliants very frequently. I feel my skin gets too irritated otherwise, as well as making it much more vulnerable to photo-damage.
I have to agree with Molly -- I think you're over-doing it especially considering the sunscreen you're using. I've used SC Intense Line Defense in the past, but not very often since it's fairly strong. Instead, I occasionally use an enzyme peel (PSF Pumpkin Mask), but make sure I REALLY slather on the SS (Avene SPF50+) for days following.
I think it's fair to say most forum members dislike the stronger SS because they're so oily and whitish compared to others. I don't mind them, and I don't even use acids and exfoliants to the degree that you or other members do.
I think if you want to keep using these products at this rate, you'd be wise to use a much more protective sunscreen than you're using. If you just can't stand the better SS, maybe you should back off. Those brown spots are a warning sign. |
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Tue Sep 26, 2006 12:44 pm |
| It is so weird, like I said the first one developed about 2 days ago, and this morning the 2nd one is there. I have very fair skin and a white complexion (blonde, blue-eyed), but I don't have freckles or any other type of pigmentation problems. I wonder if I should scrub the area with Epidermix II (home microdermabrasion)? Or, just eliminate using either the SkinCeut. AHA 12% Serum or the Ystheal Emulsion. |
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Tue Sep 26, 2006 2:25 pm |
I had some brown spots appear after I'd used CP's for a few months. That was last year....I still have them.  |
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Tue Sep 26, 2006 2:42 pm |
I'm curious to know about this. I too have had some strange brown spots come up and I was blaming it on Self Tanner. The TAn faded, but the spots never did. 
But I was using an AHA at the time too. Now you've got my curiosity peaked. I thought the AHA would help to dimish them? |
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Tue Sep 26, 2006 2:44 pm |
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| I had some brown spots appear after I'd used CP's for a few months. That was last year....I still have them. |
Oh, gee thanks, Poco. Maybe I'b better sample the cp first-me with melasma-I don't like the idea of brown spots appearing out of no where. |
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Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:01 pm |
| Sorry! I'm pretty certain that these spots were under my skin's surface and that the CP's caused them to be pushed to the surface. I just haven't been successful at making them disappear (I don't use AHA's). |
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Tue Sep 26, 2006 5:03 pm |
They do also say that glycolic can cause hyperpigmentation to worsen in the long run. It can have a kick-back effect like with Hydroquinone. So you whiten, but then they come back worse if you're exposed to UV.
Trouble is you never know if this is the result of using a product or just coincidence. My hyperpigmentation appeared after using Retin A for some time so my hunch is it was that coupled with inadequate sun protection, but I can't say for sure |
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Tue Sep 26, 2006 5:13 pm |
Yes, that's true now that I think of it. Also, retinol. My melasma started years ago when I used retin-a and didn't use (adequate if any) sunscreen.O.K. we're talking 20 years ago-I think I secretly wanted a tan. Naturally, my derm gave me hydraquinone. Naturally, when summer came around, the areas got worse. The vicious cycle....
O.k. this is strange...Molly did you just edit & add the stuff about retin-a ...I swear I didn't see it when I was replying to your post  |
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Tue Sep 26, 2006 5:17 pm |
I do find that Supercop x2 actually repairs some of my hyperpigmentation for good, but REALLY slowly.
Yes Marina - I always edit after I post because I'm too lazy to read it before and then I think of something I wanted to add.
What a coincidence both thinking Retin A is the guilty party  |
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Tue Sep 26, 2006 5:28 pm |
| Yes and thank goodness; I thought I was having another menopausal moment |
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Tue Sep 26, 2006 10:54 pm |
i've been using Diacneal (and that is all!) every other night which has both retinaldehyde and glycolic. initially i felt it brought up brown spots, but after a year or so it's definitely helped clear all but the worst of them. (i also know that i *noticed* the brown spots more because it really helped clear my face of acne and red spots.) of course, using the Avene SPF50+ spray is an absolute must as well. every time i stray, looking for a more elegant SS, they start popping up again.
(you've all got me debating trying to add CP's every third night, BTW. sigh) |
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Wed Sep 27, 2006 5:23 am |
I think I will stop using the AHA 12% and continue to use the Ystheal Emulsion w/ Retinaldhyde.
I forgot to mention I also use 3 days a week PeterThomasRoth 10% Glycolic Pads. So, I have been washing my face with cleanser, use the 10% Glycolic Pads, put on the 12% AHA Serum and then put on the Ystheal Emulsion. Maybe it was overkill?
Last night I just used my cleanser and eliminated the other products. |
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Wed Sep 27, 2006 9:40 am |
MystyPInes,
Yes, the Ystheal + AHA was too much for your skin. It is best to alternate them on different nights, if you are still able to use AHA's after incorporating the retinoid (some people can not use AHA's anymore after that due to sensitivity).
When you use the Ystheal, it should be the first thing to go on your face after cleansing. Wait 30 minutes for it to convert in your skin to the active form of retinoic acid, then apply the next product in your routine. |
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