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Tue Sep 05, 2006 11:26 pm  |
After some slight research I am still in a bit of confusion over many of the ISC products. Pro Heal was recommended to me on the forums a while back and I didn’t have the means to try it at the time. I purchased a trial of pro heal and it lasted roughly 5 days and I say a slight increase in skin tone and texture health. I didn’t know the regimen for using the serum, whether to apply it with moisturizer pre or post pro heal or not, so I left moisturizer out entirely.
My question is what is the biggest difference between the Vit-C serums from ISC, the pro heal, the super serum, ect. I have found information regarding the contents of ISC line but nothing really regarding the target of each product. Furthermore is using the pro heal/super serum/C+E enough for overall firming and texture healing or should more than the serums alone be applied. I have read among some that use Hydra cool and various other things such as copper peptides along with the ISC serums.
I AM 22 I AM male, I AM a rarity on these forums, but I do have pretty noticeable sun damage, at least in my eyes.
I appreciate the advice. |
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Wed Sep 06, 2006 7:25 am |
| Apply the proheal first and then a moisturiser or hydracool. Proheal is for acne/rosacea types and Super for more mature, all including Vit C but adding additional ingrediants targeting various needs. I alternate every day and use Active at night all followed by hydracool, plus additional moisturiser if needed. |
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Joined the 50 club several years back, blonde w/ fair/sensitive skin, Texas humidity and prone to rosacea, light breakouts and sunburns, combo skin type, starting to see sundamage and fine lines |
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Wed Sep 06, 2006 7:56 am |
Jeffer the difference between the active ingredients in the Proheal and Super serum is this: the Proheal has retinol while the Super serum has pentapeptide-1 amino acid. The other vitamins and antioxidants in the two are different also. They both contain kojic acid and arbutin (IMO there is not enough of either of these to be of any benefit). The Super serum does contain Hyaluronic acid so it should be more moisturizing.
IMO you are better off using a plain Vitamin C or Vitamin C+E serum and using actives that will address your particular problems seperate from your C serum. I am no expert in sun damage and hopefully someone else will be able to give you some advice as to what would be best to deal with that. The only thing that I would add to AnnieR's directions for use is to wait 15 min after applying the Proheal before you apply anything else. Additionally, if you do decide to add copper peptides do not apply them at the same time as a Vitamin C serum.
BTW I currently use Proheal and decided not to reorder. I ordered the ISC Vitmin C serum. If you read my Proheal review, http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=14596, you can see what effects it had for me and why I decided to try using just a plain C serum. HTH |
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Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:07 am |
I am trying to keep my regime more simple. I only use ISC Super Serum after I wash my face in the morning and then I apply Cellcosmet Sensative day moisterizer.
I may purchase Active Serum and use it at night. It is a chemical exfoliant.
I was told by someone else on EDS that Hydra Cool is more of a moisterizer. |
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Wed Sep 06, 2006 12:42 pm |
Thanks
Im looking at a small investment for my skincare regimen and scrapping the purchase of a new TV instead.
ISC was the best all around product I had seen around the forums for the last few mos for my personal needs. Im thinking of a few other things I want to add to help with my goals, perhaps the Clarisonic and some kind of good firming cream. baby Q maybe... |
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Wed Sep 06, 2006 1:01 pm |
| Careful! Firming creams are not for acne skin. If you have found one please share. |
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Wed Sep 06, 2006 2:46 pm |
| I have the clarisonic and baby Q, plus use IS Clinical. Love them all, for my skin best money spent hands down. I wasn't sure at first about the clarisonic, but now I am a believer. |
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Joined the 50 club several years back, blonde w/ fair/sensitive skin, Texas humidity and prone to rosacea, light breakouts and sunburns, combo skin type, starting to see sundamage and fine lines |
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Wed Sep 06, 2006 3:44 pm |
If you go towww.isclinical.com and click on products, you will find a detailed description of each of their products as well as their ingredients.
If you click on science, and then on recommendations, they offer their recommended am and pm regimen for different types of skin and for different skin conditions.
I've never used Pro Heal, so I'm not qualified to comment on it. However, I think that Active Serum, the Firming Complex, and the Super Serum are the best products I've used to date, and I have used ALL of em at one time or another!
The Hydra Cool serum is principally a hyaluronic acid serum, and therefore I consider it a moisturizer. But, because it also offers both anti-oxidant protection and Vit b5, kojic acid, and centella asiatica, they classify it as a treatment rather than a moisturizer. Although I'm not crazy about the way it feels, my skin looks alot better when I use it than it does when I've tried substituting another moisturizer in lieu of it.
I've not used their C-15 serum, but I don't see anything remarkable about it. Before I used the ISC line, I was using a C-20 serum and, if I were looking for just a Vit C serum, I think their are other serums out there that are just as effective (if not more so due to higher Vit C concentrations) at a lower cost.
I suggest you read through the information there first. Then, if you have particular questions from people who have used the line, you might be able to get some answers here.
One thing I was curious about: why on earth would you be looking for a firming cream at age 22? Even if you've experienced a recent massive weight loss, your skin should be resilient enough to tighten on its own. |
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Wed Sep 06, 2006 3:45 pm |
If you go towww.isclinical.com and click on products, you will find a detailed description of each of their products as well as their ingredients.
If you click on science, and then on recommendations, they offer their recommended am and pm regimen for different types of skin and for different skin conditions.
I've never used Pro Heal, so I'm not qualified to comment on it. However, I think that Active Serum, the Firming Complex, and the Super Serum are the best products I've used to date, and I have used ALL of em at one time or another!
The Hydra Cool serum is principally a hyaluronic acid serum, and therefore I consider it a moisturizer. But, because it also offers both anti-oxidant protection and Vit b5, kojic acid, and centella asiatica, they classify it as a treatment rather than a moisturizer. Although I'm not crazy about the way it feels, my skin looks alot better when I use it than it does when I've tried substituting another moisturizer in lieu of it.
I've not used their C-15 serum, but I don't see anything remarkable about it. Before I used the ISC line, I was using a C-20 serum and, if I were looking for just a Vit C serum, I think their are other serums out there that are just as effective (if not more so due to higher Vit C concentrations) at a lower cost.
I suggest you read through the information there first. Then, if you have particular questions from people who have used the line, you might be able to get some answers here.
One thing I was curious about: why on earth would you be looking for a firming cream at age 22? Even if you've experienced a recent massive weight loss, your skin should be resilient enough to tighten on its own. |
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Wed Sep 06, 2006 3:58 pm |
Before I forget, in Allure magazine, there is an article and suggested that ISC Active serum is a safe skin lightener.
And I was always led to believe that it's strenght is an exfoliant.  |
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Wed Sep 06, 2006 4:11 pm |
| I wouldn't call Active Serum a skin lightener BUT it definitely did even out my pigmentation... |
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Wed Sep 06, 2006 8:17 pm |
Becuase i am extremely analytical, i have slight sagging on one side of my face where "smile lines" would form. I consider them nose bags, and i want to get rid of that as well as the slight sag around the eyes.
If one was to look at me they would most likely consider me to have good healthy skin, but not in my eyes. Besides it can always be better right? |
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Wed Sep 06, 2006 9:26 pm |
i beleive im going to try the DIY vit-c first and see what i come up with, itll be a fraction of the cost and im not losing much.
I think my pores under my eye area beside my nose is my biggest concern at the moment.
along with mild acne within the last year that i never had before but i beleive is derived from stress |
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Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:49 am |
Hi
I hope im not asking too much of a dumb question but is the Super Serum more or less the same as photolagen?
Thanks
Sally |
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Thu Sep 07, 2006 9:28 am |
Nope. Not the same at all.
Photolagen Ingredients:
Purified Water, Glycerin, C12-15 Alkyl Benzoate, Isopropyl Palmitate, PAL-KTTS, Matrixyl Palmitoyl Pentapeptide-3, Xanthan Gum, L-Lysine HCI, L-Histidine HCI, L-Arginine HCI, L-Aspartic Acid, L-Threonine, L-Serine, L-Glutamine, L-Proline, L-Glycine, L-Alanine, L-Valine, L-Methionine, L-Isoleucine, L-Leucine, L-Tyrosine, L-Phenylalanine, L-Acetyl Tyrosine, Sodium Citrate, Polysorbate 20, C13-14 Isoparaffin, Butylene Glycol, PEG-40, Hydrogenated Castor, Laureth-7, Carbomer, Phenoxyethanol, Disodium EDTA, Polyacrylamide, Methlparaben, Fragrance.
Super Serum Ingredients:
L-Ascorbic Acid, Hyaluronic Acid, Arbutin Glycoside, Pentapeptide Amino Acid, Kojic Acid, Calcium Pantothenate (Vitamin B5), Purified Centella Asiatica Extract, Zinc Sulfate |
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Thu Sep 07, 2006 1:35 pm |
| Jeffer wrote: |
i beleive im going to try the DIY vit-c first and see what i come up with, itll be a fraction of the cost and im not losing much.
I think my pores under my eye area beside my nose is my biggest concern at the moment.
along with mild acne within the last year that i never had before but i beleive is derived from stress |
Jeffer a DIY C serum sounds like a good choice. What percentage of C are you going to use? What is your main concern with your pores? Are they clogged, enlarged or both? There is tons of info on the forum about addressing both of these issues however in my opinion you are better off adding the C serum and waiting until you see how your skin reacts to that and what results you get from the C before you add other actives. This is just my way of doing things though and someone else may have drastically different advice about how to add products! Now here is the big question. Do you use sunscreen? I see where you mentioned having sun damage that you wanted to correct but did not see you mention using sunscreen, unless I missed something. |
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Thu Sep 07, 2006 5:40 pm |
Thats a good idea, I could use just a plain Vit-C serum with no other additives? That will be my first choice if optional then add whatever else is needed.
My pores are slightly enlarged in the areas below my eye area, where the skin cemes off of the nose. For the last 10 mos or so i have been having problems on my forhead and cheeks slightly with a few pimples and small little bumps, which prior i have never had problems with at all. When i think back it seems that it started to get serious when i used Youthful Essence home microdermabrasion kit i got for christmas last year as kind of a joke, as people are aware of how much of a skin freak i am. I used it i think for a week about every other day and I developed some huge zits afterwards and never used it again. I cleaned my face thouroughly afterwards but still for an odd reason developed the acne. I seriously dont think it had ever recovered since.
No i do not use sunscreen, but I am hardly out in the sun, i keep myself sheltered now. I use Cetaphil moisturizer now and it comes with or without SPF 15 and i chose not to get the SPF as I was fearful of a breakout from the sunscreen.
Im starting to devlop a list, of things prioritized by potential benifit. Right now top of the list is the Clarisonic. I have a sonicare and love it, so im hoping i would be just as happy with the facial brush. the quasar is a possibility as well, though I am doing my research now and formulating questions I want answered before any real consideration is developed.
Thanks so much for the advice |
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Thu Sep 07, 2006 5:55 pm |
| According to Paula Begoun....Cetaphil moisterizer SPF 15 is for normat to dry skin. |
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Thu Sep 07, 2006 6:17 pm |
i dont know what my skin is now, normal to oily, normal to dry
i wouldnt say its ever really oily, but then again where would these pimples come from |
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Thu Sep 07, 2006 6:26 pm |
| Jeffer wrote: |
Thats a good idea, I could use just a plain Vit-C serum with no other additives? That will be my first choice if optional then add whatever else is needed.
My pores are slightly enlarged in the areas below my eye area, where the skin cemes off of the nose. For the last 10 mos or so i have been having problems on my forhead and cheeks slightly with a few pimples and small little bumps, which prior i have never had problems with at all. When i think back it seems that it started to get serious when i used Youthful Essence home microdermabrasion kit i got for christmas last year as kind of a joke, as people are aware of how much of a skin freak i am. I used it i think for a week about every other day and I developed some huge zits afterwards and never used it again. I cleaned my face thouroughly afterwards but still for an odd reason developed the acne. I seriously dont think it had ever recovered since.
No i do not use sunscreen, but I am hardly out in the sun, i keep myself sheltered now. I use Cetaphil moisturizer now and it comes with or without SPF 15 and i chose not to get the SPF as I was fearful of a breakout from the sunscreen.
Im starting to devlop a list, of things prioritized by potential benifit. Right now top of the list is the Clarisonic. I have a sonicare and love it, so im hoping i would be just as happy with the facial brush. the quasar is a possibility as well, though I am doing my research now and formulating questions I want answered before any real consideration is developed.
Thanks so much for the advice |
just a thought.....when I got microdermabrason done professionally, I broke out some more but that was very normal....I think you should continue using your gift.....I've used Cetaphil gentle cleanser mixed with baking soda.....Cellex-C Vit. C 20%, then I tried Skinceuticals then Vivier Vit. C 20% (my favourite) even though it felt moisterizing/oily, it gave me a very nice glow to my skin and with time, I got really nice skin tone.
Good luck to you! |
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Thu Sep 07, 2006 6:55 pm |
Jeffer I am no DIYer so I cannot give you specific advice on making a C serum but I do know that you can make one with vitamin C as the only active plus the inactive ingredients. Perhaps someone else can help you with making a C serum.
I had a similar experience to Skincare with a professional microderm. I had the worse acne outbreak of my entire life in the month or so after having it done. I do however not agree with skincare about using the home microdermabrasion kit. It sounds like you really had a bad reaction to it!
Okay I won't yell at you about the sunscreen since you don't spend time in the sun. But I would say to definetly use one when you are in the sun. And if you eventually add actives to try to correct some of your issues like enlarged pores and sun damage it will be a requirement everyday. It is really a matter of finding the right one that won't cause breakouts.
It is great that you are thinking about your skin at an early age and I think that even if you have some sun damage you are off to a good start. |
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Fri Sep 08, 2006 1:34 am |
Hi Katee
Thanks for the reply. Think i was getting confused with the peptide thing
Hope all is well with you  |
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Wed Sep 13, 2006 5:15 am |
Yea, im ordered some vit c and propylene glycol, figured i would start with just vit c for a few days then add in the glycol, take it a step at a time to see how my skin reacts
on top of that i ordered a clarisonic as well, hopefully i notice some results from that |
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Wed Sep 13, 2006 3:13 pm |
| what is the benefit of the pentapeptide in Proheal? Is it the one that minimizes muscle contractions, or something different? |
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Wed Sep 13, 2006 4:03 pm |
| Actually the Super serum has the pentapeptide. Acetyl Hexapeptide is the one that minimizes muscle contractions. The pentapeptide is what is in Matrixyl and is supposed to build collagen. |
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