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Fri Sep 15, 2006 5:58 am  |
Hi
Firstly sorry if this ends up being rather long with quite a few questions
My skin type - umm not so sure but can only explain what it seems to be doing. Somedays my skin will feel really tight. I get quite a few dry flakey patchy. Though saying that by mid day me skin looks very shiny. Once ive put on foundation my skin looks even older than normal and it looks pretty old, dry and dull at the best of times.  My pores are quite noticable in areas. Kinda of looks like ive been run over with a rolling pin that has small needles in ti  Id say my skin has lost some elasticity. It looks quite saggy. My eyelids are even starting to droop
Wrinkles - for my age 37, I seem to have tons. My eyes are very crepey underneath and I have crows feet, I have little lines around my lips and one quite prominent frown line that makes me look so angry most of the time.
What im using at the moment:-
Renova at night - 0.05% - this is as strong as my skin can take.
Photolagen - day and night. Usually put this on 30 mins before the Renova
PSF Vit C serum in the day - before the photolagen
Please advise if i am using any of this wrongly.
What im looking at also getting to help diminish wrinkles and improve my skin:-
A good eyecream - for wrinkles and hydration/firming
a good face cream - for wrinkles and hydration/friming
And anything else that anyone can suggest that would help me.
I have recently ordered the Baby Quasar - I just hope this will help too.
Sorry once again for so many questions but you ladies are so full of good advice. Im just clueless with skincare. I really do appreciate all your help
Sally |
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Fri Sep 15, 2006 9:56 am |
Hi Sally!
It seems you and I both have the exact same skin issues, and like you I'm also in the search for proper regime/products.
Lets hope the pros here can assist us  !
//Heléne |
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Fri Sep 15, 2006 10:14 am |
This is just a suggestion: I would use Hyaluronic Acid (PSF sells it for cheap) every night 30 minutes after applying the Renova and then seal it in with Camellia oil or Rosehip oil of good quality. I spray a few pumps into my palm and rub together with a drop of water and alot of friction, this helps to spread it easily on the face. Both oils are said to promote elasticity and with continued use will help oil production to decrease and give you a nice healthy glow. I've only used Silkia Camellia oil and I love it. In the morning apply Hyaluronic Acid and then place a hot, damp washcloth over your face for a few minutes. This moisturizes my face and plumps it up. Its also so refreshing and helps me to wake up. Then continue with your other products and finish with a good moisturiser and sunscreen everyday!
The things that have done the most for my face and decreasing the size of my pores are TCA peels, weekly glycolic acid peels (also plumps up my face and moisturizes), and .01% retin a. |
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Fri Sep 15, 2006 10:44 am |
Hi there.
I'm not familiar with Photalagen (sp?) so I can't comment on that. It sounds to me like your skin is dehydrated and you're losing some skin tone (a bit of sagging).
I've had great results with my own dry skin patches from this cream: Osmotics brand "Creme L'Extreme." It's their barrier repair formula and it really healed my lack-of-moisture problem. Plus it makes your skin glow, and does not cause breakouts.  I use it at night, after anything else I'm putting on. I bought mine at Nordstrom...not sure if that's available where you live. An alternative might be Decleor Essential Balm (but I actually like the Osmotics better).
For the sagging skin, nothing beats DMAE (amine form, not bitartrate). This is a light serum that you put on before your moisturizer but after a toner or any acidic product you're using. It's available in 2% and 4% strength fromwww.skincarecentral.biz
For your eyes, why not try a moisturizing serum that helps with collagen production? I'm using Stimucoll from PureSkinFormulations (psf.com?)...also sold on EDS. The lines below my eyes are getting less noticeable. It hydrates but I think it is doing more than that.
Other than this, just be careful that the cleanser you're using is not too alkaline or contain harsh detergents in it, which will disrupt the skin barrier and promote water loss. Use a ph-balanced, detergent free cleanser. I like both wheatgerm oil cleanser and rosehip seed cleanser, available fromwww.skincarecentral.biz orwww.dianayvonne.com |
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Sat Sep 16, 2006 1:42 am |
Hi Helene
Im sure we will get some very good advice from the ladies here. They all seem so knowledgable. I think my problem is Im just so indecisive and because i have tried so many things i get quite disheartened and confused in what to do. Fingers crossed we will both find the answers here.
Keep me informed as to how you are getting on. Are you from the UK Helene |
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Sat Sep 16, 2006 1:46 am |
Thank you PocoLoco and anomaly for your suggestions. I had forgot to mention that I do have some of the PSF Stimucol on my way to me. It should be here any day now
I think maybe I should get some of the Hyaluronic Acid too. Im not to sure about DMAE. I did use Alpha Derma for a while but didnt really see any results. Then after reading things that DMAE and Agrieline (oops spelling  ) could actually make sagging worse I stopped using these. Im so worried to make matters worse than what they are. Everyday im conscious of my face and skin its becoming quite a problem |
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Sat Sep 16, 2006 7:13 am |
Hi Salstar,
For overall skin rejuvination, I highly recommend doing an at home TCA peel series. I have had incredible results with these, and the results on my middle aged mom's skin (after only three treatments) are amazing too. If you've never done peels before, start out with a gentle AHA series, you can even use the super popular (aound here) juice beauty apple peel. TCA peels stimulate collagen and help to firm and plump your skin. I'm glad you ordered a baby quaser, I hope that works well for you, keep us updated! For a moisturizer, I recommend using a biological healing oil like emu or squalene, they are the absolute best for moisturizing and wrinkles. You can use these on your face and around the eyes as well. It's good that you are using a vitamin C serum, I highly recommend a good european sunscreen for prevention purposes. I think that you may benefit from copper peptide use, I don't know very much about that since my main concern is prevention, not correction yet, but I'm sure there are lot sof helpful posts about that here. I hope this helps! I'm sure you will be able to see very dramatic improvement in your skin with these things and the things mentioned by others on this post, good luck! |
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Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:34 pm |
| Salaster, I disagree about the statement that Argireline and Dmae can be bad for your skin. I'm 52 yrs old and have being using noth for about 1 yr. with improvement in my skin. I use the Argireline sparingly on the wrinkles between eye brows, forehead and other deeper wrinkles-I've esp. noticed improve. btween eyebrows, not filler improve. obviously. I also have sagging along the jawline and use the DMAE there. The posts that I have read from users of Argireline that have had probs.- used it all over alot and were much younger than me. HTH. |
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Sat Sep 16, 2006 1:08 pm |
| salster68 wrote: |
Hi
Firstly sorry if this ends up being rather long with quite a few questions
My skin type - umm not so sure but can only explain what it seems to be doing. Somedays my skin will feel really tight. I get quite a few dry flakey patchy. Though saying that by mid day me skin looks very shiny. Once ive put on foundation my skin looks even older than normal and it looks pretty old, dry and dull at the best of times. My pores are quite noticable in areas. Kinda of looks like ive been run over with a rolling pin that has small needles in ti Id say my skin has lost some elasticity. It looks quite saggy. My eyelids are even starting to droop
Wrinkles - for my age 37, I seem to have tons. My eyes are very crepey underneath and I have crows feet, I have little lines around my lips and one quite prominent frown line that makes me look so angry most of the time.
What im using at the moment:-
Renova at night - 0.05% - this is as strong as my skin can take.
Photolagen - day and night. Usually put this on 30 mins before the Renova
PSF Vit C serum in the day - before the photolagen
Please advise if i am using any of this wrongly.
What im looking at also getting to help diminish wrinkles and improve my skin:-
A good eyecream - for wrinkles and hydration/firming
a good face cream - for wrinkles and hydration/friming
And anything else that anyone can suggest that would help me.
I have recently ordered the Baby Quasar - I just hope this will help too.
Sorry once again for so many questions but you ladies are so full of good advice. Im just clueless with skincare. I really do appreciate all your help
Sally |
We have the same problem...
As for eye cream, currently I am using Cellcosmet eye contour gel-xt which can be used on your eye lid too. I bought it because I get puffy eyes in the morning or from allergies.
I do plan to use Cellcosment eye contour cream this winter.
As for a moisterizer, I am using Cellcosmet Sensitive day/night cream and will switch to Ultra Vital.
It is safe to invest in expensive creams because of our age. I use prescribed Vitamin A cream worn 3 to 4 hours a day and that can dry out your skin over time...been using it for two years now. I use IS Clinical Super Serum to get my vitamin C or you could use Vivier 20% even though it may feel a bit oilier but does not create acne or pimples.
Don't forget your sunblock or your skin will get more sensitive from your Renova. I use Skinceuticals Defense SPF30 |
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Sat Sep 16, 2006 1:45 pm |
Hi Sally-
you can add me to the list too. I seem to have all the same problems as you,
plus I seem to be battling congested pores  . I think my skin is very dehydrated & I've been trying to figure out what to use that will help, and not clog pores. Just recently I've quit using all my ISC & AG, and am just doing the basics, trying to get my skin normalized. I'd have to say I'm at my wit's end of knowing what to do.
SOMEONE OUT THERE PLEASE HELP US!!  |
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Sat Sep 16, 2006 1:48 pm |
Salster, I concur with what "nomo" said above. There is no way that DMAE can contribute to sagging skin. It is not effective on everyone, for for those people it simply does nothing. For everyone else, it has tightening effects.
I've read the anecdotes about sagging skin from overuse/improper use of argelenine (sp?)...like nomo said above, those were by people who used it all over the face. It is not meant to be used that way. It should only be used on the large muscles of forehead and the muscles responsible for crows feet. It needs to be be massaged into the muscles. I've never read of any ill effects from using it correctly. There are lots of products out there that have it added, and these products are for all-over face use. I would not recommend buying any of those products...just to be on the safe side. |
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Sat Sep 16, 2006 2:28 pm |
[quote="kls"]Hi Sally-
you can add me to the list too. I seem to have all the same problems as you,
plus I seem to be battling congested pores . I think my skin is very dehydrated & I've been trying to figure out what to use that will help, and not clog pores. Just recently I've quit using all my ISC & AG, and am just doing the basics, trying to get my skin normalized. I'd have to say I'm at my wit's end of knowing what to do.
SOMEONE OUT THERE PLEASE HELP US!! [/quote
kls, have you tried Dr. H's Cleansing cream? It's the only thing that has relieved me of my very congested (it wasn't really acne-just poors that looked clogged). I'm still on a search for a magical anti-aging cream that won't just re-clog my poors though  |
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Sat Sep 16, 2006 2:45 pm |
| dealated wrote: |
kls, have you tried Dr. H's Cleansing cream? It's the only thing that has relieved me of my very congested (it wasn't really acne-just pores that looked clogged). |
Yes, I've used DHCC. It seems to work a little bit, but doesn't seem to clean the pores out enough. It just seems like my pores are being constantly reclogged, and I don't know from what. I stopped using Proheal a few weeks ago. I'm wondering if I might be having some kind of reaction to Vit C.
The clogged pores that look like tiny bumps (or orange peel texture) all started when I switched to the ISC line. (First I used super/active, then switched to proheal/polyvit). I've been plagued with them since early spring . |
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Sat Sep 16, 2006 8:37 pm |
ok...so I'm 34 and have been dealing with the early signs of sun damage for almost 2 yrs. These are the things that have seemed to help me:
a.m. Matrixyl 3000 face
psf Cranberry Phyto-Lift Eye gel
p.m. Bioclear
cp serum
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tazorac
cp serum
If I use the cp serum during the day, I exfoliate my face first.
I've seen a postive difference in my face since I've used this regimen. My face looks more taut, fuller, has a glow,just younger.  |
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Sun Sep 17, 2006 7:34 am |
Wow Thank you all so much for such good advice. I still have some of the Esters Serum (agriline) so I can go back to using that on just my wrinkles (frown lines, crows feet). Cellcosmet seems to be getting good reviews. Maybe I should think hard about the eye contour cream........... for my type of skin would I go for the gel or cream though? I also got some advice from Platinum skincare about glycolic peels suggesting I start off with a very light one.
With all of these things in what order (and whether to use day or night) do i use them in?
Thanks all again.......... youre all angels
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Sun Sep 17, 2006 8:38 am |
Hi there,
Argeline serum needs to be applied first to a freshly washed face. Remember that it needs to be massaged into the muscles of forehead. It only works within the muscles. I think you're supposed to let it sit for 10 minutes before adding other products on top.
Eye cream vs gel...well, gel is usually safer in avoiding the creation of milia that some creams can cause in the thin eye skin area. But then again, if it's well formulated then it may not cause you milia and then the cream would be more moisturizing. Do they have a good return policy? |
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Sun Sep 17, 2006 9:46 am |
| salster68 wrote: |
Wow Thank you all so much for such good advice. I still have some of the Esters Serum (agriline) so I can go back to using that on just my wrinkles (frown lines, crows feet). Cellcosmet seems to be getting good reviews. Maybe I should think hard about the eye contour cream........... for my type of skin would I go for the gel or cream though? I also got some advice from Platinum skincare about glycolic peels suggesting I start off with a very light one.
With all of these things in what order (and whether to use day or night) do i use them in?
Thanks all again.......... youre all angels
x |
I find the Cellcosmet eye contour gel-xt is only good for eye puffines. Cellcosmet eye contour cream is highly concentrated moisterizer and I'm don't think you can put it on your eye lids. With the gel, you can and it does not irritate your eyes. Maybe you need the eye cream in the winter, when you go skiing or shovelling the snow (long time spend outdoors). |
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Sun Sep 17, 2006 9:51 am |
Hello
Speaking from an ole lady stand point...
My preference is cream vs. gel. Don't forget samples are an option before purchasing. (Speaking from the cellcosmet sideline). Also, I would not forget to get "a professional" dermatologist and or anesthetist opinion too, the forum is an amazing place to gather the consumers experience with products as well as a wealth of knowledge from some pretty intelligent folks.Inquire, read, go slow and steady will equal informed choices.
(My name should be samples Portno not Barbara Portno)
All the best,
samples |
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Mon Sep 18, 2006 3:02 am |
| salster68 wrote: |
| Are you from the UK Helene |
Nope; but not very far from there though. I'm up in Sweden.
And yes; you're right about everyone here being very friendly and helpful, I can easily spend hours on this forum, there's so much to learn...
Thanks to all of you ladies who has contributed with your much appreciated advise and knowledge so far!  |
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Mon Sep 18, 2006 4:19 am |
Hi Helene
Hope things are good with you. Im just about to order the PSF Hyaluronic Acid from EDS to start off with. I still need to choose an eyecream and facecream. How have you been getting on with everyones help?
Sally |
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Mon Sep 18, 2006 4:26 am |
Thanks everyone else for the good advice too. Another question regarding Argireline - what product could i purchase to help with frown lines? and also if i use something like this will my muscles relax even without it a bit more than normal - Im sure people think i look so angry sometmes  |
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Mon Sep 18, 2006 4:39 am |
| salster68 wrote: |
| Thanks everyone else for the good advice too. Another question regarding Argireline - what product could i purchase to help with frown lines? and also if i use something like this will my muscles relax even without it a bit more than normal - Im sure people think i look so angry sometmes |
There are a few good examples of such a product.
I first used and loved Janson Beckett's AlphaDerma CE - this is actually meant to be applied all over your face, although some people don't like to do that with argireline products and you can always apply it only to the areas you want.
Next I tried PSF's BrowTox and liked that too. It's much more of a directly on the forehead/crow's feet/naso-labial lines product.
Finally, I tried and have stuck with Cellular SkinRx's Relax-a-Line, which seems to be very effective for me. I also use their Relax-a-Line with Vialox for special occasions. Again, these are meant to be applied specifically to problem areas.
It's all a question of personal preference, really. So it's best to see which one might work most effectively for you. However, I think I'm correct in thinking that argireline doesn't actually work for everybody.
If it's any help, I've been using these products for quite some time now and the my crow's feet and forehead lines are still much diminished even if I miss a day or two with the products. |
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Mon Sep 18, 2006 5:16 am |
| Heléne wrote: |
| salster68 wrote: |
| Are you from the UK Helene |
Nope; but not very far from there though. I'm up in Sweden.
And yes; you're right about everyone here being very friendly and helpful, I can easily spend hours on this forum, there's so much to learn...
Thanks to all of you ladies who has contributed with your much appreciated advise and knowledge so far! |
Helene,
Can you please share with us what is considered the best skincare in Sweden? Is anyone aware of Cellcosmet skincare line over there? |
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Mon Sep 18, 2006 6:55 am |
| salster68 wrote: |
Hi Helene
Hope things are good with you. Im just about to order the PSF Hyaluronic Acid from EDS to start off with. I still need to choose an eyecream and facecream. How have you been getting on with everyones help?
Sally |
Hi Sally!
I actually think I will order this product too!
I'm also trying to decide whether to try out IS Clinical or Janson Beckett; haven't made up my mind yet...  Decisions, decisions.
Also; I'm very interested in the Cellcosmetics eye cream, maybe I will ask for a sample with my order. It seems to have gotten great reviews.
Honestly; I have so many products on my continually growing "wish-to-try list" that I don't know where to start....  
I guess all of you know exactly what I mean?
//Heléne |
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