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ohhellothere
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Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:11 pm  |
Is there any way to stay young looking if I have bad bone structure?
I have a long,thin face and a large prominent nose. Already I have nasiolabal folds and sagging flat cheeks and hollow eyes. I look gaunt.
I take care of my skin (washing, moisturizing with anti-aging creme and avoiding sun exposure), I don't smoke or drink, and I try to drink enough water and get decent sleep. I'm 5'10 and 129 lbs, so I'm not too skinny (I have trouble gaining weight).
But despite all this, I'm 24 and look 34. I've searched other threads on these issues, but they're mainly by people older than me, or with higher cheekbones (which I lack).
Is there any hope for someone my age who just has a bad face shape?
Thanks...I'm kind of worried about it. It's frustrating because everyone else in my family looks amazing for their age, but not me. :/ |
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Tue Sep 30, 2014 5:25 pm |
Maybe you should make sure you are hydrated. Learn contouring makeup skills to fake it if you are plenty hydrated.
If you aren't recovering from an illness you could always try filler. |
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Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:45 pm |
| Another thought...Sometimes certain hairstyles can make a persons face look long and thin. Styles with bangs or layers at the side of the face can make a difference. You may want to talk with a hairstylist for suggestions. |
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Wed Oct 01, 2014 1:31 am |
| I can relate. You can go down the filler route or you can put on weight. Concentrate on getting the correct amount of calcium to look after the bone structure that you have. If you don't get adequate calcium, imagine how you'll look in 20 years time! That's were i'm at now. Sunscreen to prevent skin damage & i also highly recommend making & using a DIY Vitamin C serum. |
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ohhellothere
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Thu Oct 02, 2014 12:23 am |
| Good to know about the calcium...I don't think I have the healthiest diet. Thanks for all input so far! |
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Thu Oct 02, 2014 7:29 pm |
| Live a happy life everyday. Don't take things too seriously. Smile. These things will surely make you look younger. |
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Fri Oct 03, 2014 8:09 pm |
There is a lot of people with long, thin faces. One is Sarah Jessica Parker. She usually wears her hair full and it is not as noticeable.
What about your diet?
There is a diet and skin care book written by Dr. Jeannette Graf. She recommends doable things such as green drinks. I borrowed my copy from the library.
http://www.amazon.ca/Stop-Aging-Start-Living-Revolutionary/dp/0307382370 |
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Sun Oct 05, 2014 4:36 pm |
Pay attention to this please.
If you want to help your skin please don't write this off.
First, even if you avoid sun, you get small amounts of it over time that add up. A few minutes here and there will show up later even if you Think, oh I was only out for 10 minutes but I avoid it most of the other times. Nope, the sun doesn't work that way, you are being bombarded with damaging UV radiation everyday.
Even indoors wear sunscreen and here is why. Glass blocks UVB radiation, but Not UVA radiation wavelengths, which are the wavelengths of UV radiation that cause skin aging. Even if you re not close to the window and are many feet away, this radiation literally bounces off the walls, ceilings, floors of your home, and will inevitably get to you in doses almost as potent as if you were outside.
DO NOT really on high SPF as SPF is only an indicator of UVB protection (which is the one that causes sunburn) NOT UVA protection necessarily. For UVA protection I suggest titanium oxide or Zinc oxide, BUT I more strongly recommend Zinc oxide, as it is the only sunscreen protection that offers protection across the ENTIRE UV spectrum (meaning UVB and UVA light both. Zinc oxide is usually whitening, but there re tinted ones as well.
Having just zinc oxide in your sunscreen is not enough either. You need it in a percentage of over 17.1% to get adequate UVA protection. The higher the %, the more UVA protection. I end up using Raw Elements tinted sunscreen stick, which has a Zinc oxide protection of almost 23% percent. It is non whitening.
DO NOT use "invisible zinc" as this Zinc oxide uses smaller particles known as "nano particles". Don't use these at all. This is why:
Nano particles, simply because they are smaller, provide considerably less UVA protection overall. There are two spectrums of UVA light called, UVA 1 and UVA 2. "Invisible zinc/nano particles" only cover ONE of these spectrums efficiently, so avoid it.
Raw Elements of Kaban skincare (also with a tinted Zinc Oxide sunscreen at 25% Zinc Oxide) are not nano particles. There are other choices as well.
UV light causes these changes as it causes cells to express genes which activate enzymes that cause the destruction of elastin and collagen in the skin (elastin and collagen are major components of healthy youthful skin)
Elastin can NOT be produced after childhood. It has to last a lifetime. Any existing elastin damage you have is there to stay BUT collagen can be helped, by upreguating the amount at which it is synthesized..... Agents that help collagen synthesis are Retinoids (Retin A, etc, Vitamin CE Ferulic from Skinceuticals, foods with vitamin C and A. Also eat foods with Vitamin E to reduce inflammation and help against sun damage.
Now that I have discussed that certain enzymes that destroy collagen and elastin fibers due to cells reacting to UV light, let's talk about what we can do about them.
First off, these enzymes are known as Elastase and Collagenase. Things to inhibit them are
Retinoids, most notably Retin A. Some agents for lowering the activity of Elastase are White tea, Green tea (about 4 to 6 cups a day total for any meaningful effect, Butcher's broom (a very cheap supplement) and Horse Chestnut extract (also very cheap)
Next, second to UV damage, there are other enemies not as damaging but will cause roughly 20-25% (meaning a damn good deal of damage over time) called Advanced Glycation End Products which we will just call AGEs.
In short there are exogeneous AGEs (outside of the body) and Endogeneous AGEs (which are AGEs formed Inside of the body depending what you eat)
AGEs cause the elastin fibers and collagen fibers in your organs and skin to irreversibly bind and harden, leading to inelastic, crap skin (Just a side note off topic here, UVA light is the light that causes your body to tan... Tanning is your body's imperfect attempt to very mildly protect against further sun damage.... tanning is not good. Do NOT listen to those who say "You need that sun for vitamin D production" Yes you do, but expose your legs with no sunscreen a few minutes a day if you want that, not your face)......... Anyway, back to AGEs So how do we avoid these AGEs?
WELL, that is actually hard to do but let me tell you.
AGEs form basically when ANY form of sugar is consumed, including natural sugars from fruit... basically carboydrates, a nutrient, are sugars. You can't cut these completely away it will kill you, but excessive consuming of these, and you Will pay the price.... How do we avoid these?
Well first off lower your intake of sugar (which will cause Endogeneous AKA "inside the body AGEs). Any sodas and juices, knock them out. Awful for skin. Try to add healthy vegetables that are highly nutrient dense such as Kale, spinach, and broccoli to your diet in AMPLE amounts. Try carrots too, Extremely high in Vitamin A (Vitamin is very important for Elastin maintenance).
Exogeneous AGEs tent to cause more attempt to avoid. Everytime you are grilling food and see that browning or blackening on that hamburger you are eating, that is noted as the Mallaird reaction which, as I stated above, is the "crosslinking/binding" of proteins/elastin/collagen that you are watching take place on that juicy burger or on french fries, or on chicken fingers. On those foods that taste so good off the grill.... or in the oven, pizza, etc, all VERY high in AGEs.
Again one you have those AGEs in your body that equates to permanent skin damage. It is irreversible. Also, butter and margarine is VERY high in AGEs as well. What causes the Mallaird reaction (which basically takes place in your body when Endogeneous AGEs are formed? In short, heat dry heat is the biggest contributor...
When cooking we cannot avoid ALL heat but high impact heat such as from a grill, by the end of cooking WILL cause a lot more of this damaging reaction than say slowly boiling chicken in water which WILL cause Exogeneous (outside of the body AGEs even if you don't see the browning or blackening, it will be at a microscopic level, but still there and causing damage BUT less damage than browned food)
A few substances that lower the production of Only the Endogeneous AGEs in your body by a decent amount 30-40% which is the best you can get............ Benfotiamine (can buy on amazon sort of expensive but very much worth it.... 120 capsules at 250 mg taking 500 mg a day/2 capsules, that is 2 months worth... A relatively small amount to pay for such an effective substance... Also, other substances that are thought to help are again, Green and white tea (but to a much lesser extent), and pyridoxamine (which is only available in Europe but you can buy online). And lastly, L-carnosine seems to reduce these pesky ENDOGENEOUS AGEs by about 20%... If I had to choose one, I would go for Benfotaimine as it is the most studied, but the others show promise as well. I highly recommend Benfotimine........ Just try to find a good manufacturer of it, there are several.
In all, you need to wear a daily sunscreen I can NOT stress this enough. To put it into perspective let's put it this way.
Let's say that there are 2 50 year olds.
One that has been using sunscreen daily (ON CLOUDY DAYS TOO... ANY DAY even with a bunch of clouds blocking lot of light, more than 80% of UVA rays pass through clouds AND through glass)
Anyway back to the fake 50 year olds. Let's say 50 y/o #1 has spent $1500 on sunscreen over the last 30 years.
Then 50 y/o #2 has not used Any OR has only used it a few days a week but has several days a week is unprotected but then spends $1500 on filler to replace the lost volume in her face from sun damage, bad diet, etc.
50 year old 1, is easily going to look a good deal younger...... Why? Because sun damage is DAMN hard to fix and our current technologies to fix it are still in infant stages....
(I'd rather spend my money on Preventing a good deal of aging, than try to fix it later, with no guarantee of a sufficient outcome)
It's amazing to me how many don't realize how important daily sunscreen is. Put it this way, look in a mirror, sage your cheeks down with your hands a whole inch, imagine walking around like that. Now sag your cheeks down with your hands downna quarter or half an inch... still bad, but a lot better than before...
So in short, avoid AGEs through diet (which obviously means a big change in lifestyle to achieve a diet like this, but one you are into it a few weeks, it is pretty damn easy), take some supplements I listed to further enhance the protection against those pesky enzymes that cause skin damage (including those teas which are quite arguable some of your cheapest and most effective substances outside of sunscreen and avoiding AGEs)......
Lastly the UVA spectrum starts at 320 nm (nanometers) and goes up to 400 nm...... No sunscreen we have can effectively block a good portion of the most damaging part of the spectrum which is 380 nm to 400nm BUT at least Zinc Oxide CAN protect up to roughly 381 to 382 nm but usually only 379-380 nm....... What does this tell you, even WITH sunscreen on you will be recieving a decent deal of damage, but still, a good deal less than what you would have without it.
I have UV protective films on my car windows. Specifically you want tht, since driving is honestly where you will get a TON of your daily UV exposure from.
I use LLUMAR films. Most of them block 99% of UV rays. But there is ONE type that is rarer and a bit more expensive called the AU 85 which blocks 99.9%, which is obviously almost 100%..... to put that into perspective, you are only getting exposed to 1/1000th of the UV you would be exposed to if you di NOT have the film on your car. With the less protecting film it cost my entire care about $400. For the further protecting one it cost me $550 (I only got the more protective one since they had it in stock as I asked for it, the other would have been cheaper but I want as much protection as possible.....) there you have it........... damn that was a lot of writing
Your best bet for photoprotection is a high % |
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Sun Oct 05, 2014 5:23 pm |
WOW now that is a world class skin care post. 
A few comments about it. How do you achieve the the full 2mg/cm2 required application amount of sunscreen using the stick form? Which is around 1/4 tsp for the face and same amount for the neck. A couple of other supps to consider for AGE's are Beta-Alanine which is related to Carnosine, and P-5-P (pyridoxal-5-phosphate).
Berries are a great fruit to eat due to their low sugar high antioxidant ratio.
Some glass such as office buildings does block a certain percentage of UVA rays and the further away from the glass the better but you should still prepare like they block zero UVA rays.
Thanks for the great post. |
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Sun Oct 05, 2014 6:21 pm |
^^^ Anti aging is very serious and difficult to achieve. You got to be willing to make some pretty big sacrifices and invest.
You know those cool black lights kids have in their rooms. Produce tons of UVA light stay away from them.
I have heard of those substances you mentioned but truly have not ever tried them. Sorry I do not have more on that. There also is concern that Creatine supplementation helps with collagen synthesis as well and Creatine monohydrate is very cheap.
Also I have begun supplementing with gelatin just today, starting with 3 grams but wil ork my way up to 10 eventually. Supposed to help with collagen production.
Look ito Polypodium Leucotomos aka Heliocare, or the equivalent known as Rhyzocare which is cheaper. Provides a bit of internal sun protection from UV light at roughly $12-$20 a month.
At the moment I am trying C60 from vaulghter wellness. It is a substance that upregulates the activity of your cells' mitochondria (which are the powerhouses of your cells)... This is good because if your cells are more efficient, they can more efficiently fight damage over time. Many MANY testimonials and studies have been done on this substance. It is amazing how it is not sold as a drug yet.
I also take astaxanthin. It slightly darkens the skin which is a nice effect. However it supposedly is 550 ore times as potent as Vitamin E as an antioxidant and supposedly gives a slight bi more of natural UV protection.
There is concern that the blue light within the visible light spectrum causes external skin aging, but to a lesser extent than UV light. Good news is most sunscreens don't block any visible light BUT Zinc oxide does block some. So another win there for zinc......
I take antiaging very seriously. As I feel I look much older than I am at 22 even though I get so many mixed answers about what others think of my age....I tend to ignore the positive ones. I even put a thread up today regarding it with pictures asking for advice. I may be overreacting though as it is difficult to tell what others think I mean.... I see my face every day so we are usually our own critics.
Other substances for skin include supplemental hyuloronic acid at roughly 100-300 mg a day. When I take it, my skin looks a bit better, well worth the price.
Glucosamine apparently when supplemented, encourages the body's natural production of hyaluronic acid as well.
I am also taking biosil, and who could forget the incredibly cheap MSM. Haven't seen skin changes with it BUT if it does help it is probably at a microscopic level. I am fine with that |
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Sun Oct 05, 2014 7:58 pm |
Ahh I recognize you now qowpele. Same name over at longecity.org
I'm mustardseed41 over there. |
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Sun Oct 05, 2014 8:15 pm |
Part of being young is being uncomfortable with ones appearance -- no matter what. part of being older is accepting ones appearance -- and actually thinking?.."this is me and I like myself."
You are 24, rest, eat right, use basic skincare… I am sure you are absolutely beautiful. Embrace how unique you are and OWN it. That is true confience and beauty. |
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ohhellothere
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Mon Oct 06, 2014 8:50 am |
Such incredibly helpful answers everyone. And qowpele, you're brilliant! I'm definitely planning to use that as reference. Big ups 
I will definitely have to improve my diet...my husband jokes that my staples are Red Bull, potato chips, Chinese takeout (chow mein), cookies, boba drinks, and alcohol. o_o |
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Mon Oct 06, 2014 11:45 am |
^^^ Everything you just listed there as your diet, must stop. You cannot reverse AGEs.Miniscule mounts of them re removed from the body overtime, but not enough to improve your skin.
However if you stay away from the sun and truly avoid it and wear sunscreen your skin can kinda have a break and reverse a Little bit of that damage. ...
And if your husband makes fun of it, try to inform him on your new lifestyle change and maybe even he will climb aboard.
By the way to put things into perspective let's say that all you eat is healthy for a year nd everyday you accumulate 1000 AGEs (not a real unit but you get it).......Let's say with your current diet you accumulate 5000 AGEs daily. Over one year, you will have aged at 5 times the pace for the 20% of skin damage that AGEs cause..... Don't let this happen. You cn stop now.
GET that sunscreen, get a large brimmed hat, don't mind if when people find out what you are doing if they think you are crazy. And also make sure that you pick up those Elastase inibitors (green tea, white tea, Butcher's broom especially, and horse chestnut extract)...... Force yourself to buy these things and consume them. You will feel great and proactive.
If anyone does tink you are crazy, put it this ay, which is more painful and bothersome, your heart skipping one beat for 10 seconds due to possibly being embarrassed for being confronted, Or permanent skin damage that will cause a ton more, deep embarrassment/lack of confidence. If you start now hardcore I'd say by the time you are 30 you will probably appear to be 27-28. 2-3 years ? That's what I call a success in antiaging, and it only slowly grows over time
Lastly, make sure you get at least one potent AGE blocker (benfotiamine, which is roughly $25 for a two month supply)
All of the things I listed in this post should cost you less than $50 to get started. Don't hesitate because damage occurs everyday, stop it in its tracks.
Finally, really you should look into the Llumar AU 85 which provides 99.9% UV protection, if you do not have the money for it simply save up, THAT alone will really help your skin out. A well worth investment of $400-$600 (it would be much less if you only got a few windows done, But if you do not get all windows done, a ton of UVA light will enter your vehicle anyway and bounce around and you will still get exposed to a ton of it.
I sincerely hope that this all helps you a ton. Please heed this advice it will truly help you alot |
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Mon Oct 06, 2014 2:35 pm |
| I agree with Laura, contouring definitely helps! I have a bit of an issue with my nose and contouring does help. Also, aside from the general rule of thumb in achieving healthy skin, why not take Vitamin E and collagen supplements to make your skin more radiant? |
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Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:09 am |
| Bumping this post as some truly great advice from qowpele. Nice to see someone from my age bracket taking anti-aging as seriously as I do! |
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Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:16 am |
Personally I don't believe any skincare product (no matter how expensive it is) will do much on the sagging skin. You may want to try thermage or ultherapy. They are both FDA approved and should be relatively safe.
I tried thermage last year but it did not do much. I'll try ultherapy this year.
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Is there any way to stay young looking if I have bad bone structure?
I have a long,thin face and a large prominent nose. Already I have nasiolabal folds and sagging flat cheeks and hollow eyes. I look gaunt.
I take care of my skin (washing, moisturizing with anti-aging creme and avoiding sun exposure), I don't smoke or drink, and I try to drink enough water and get decent sleep. I'm 5'10 and 129 lbs, so I'm not too skinny (I have trouble gaining weight).
But despite all this, I'm 24 and look 34. I've searched other threads on these issues, but they're mainly by people older than me, or with higher cheekbones (which I lack).
Is there any hope for someone my age who just has a bad face shape?
Thanks...I'm kind of worried about it. It's frustrating because everyone else in my family looks amazing for their age, but not me. :/ |
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Mon Feb 27, 2017 11:25 pm |
| ying0101 wrote: |
Personally I don't believe any skincare product (no matter how expensive it is) will do much on the sagging skin. You may want to try thermage or ultherapy. They are both FDA approved and should be relatively safe.
I tried thermage last year but it did not do much. I'll try ultherapy this year.
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Is there any way to stay young looking if I have bad bone structure?
I have a long,thin face and a large prominent nose. Already I have nasiolabal folds and sagging flat cheeks and hollow eyes. I look gaunt.
I take care of my skin (washing, moisturizing with anti-aging creme and avoiding sun exposure), I don't smoke or drink, and I try to drink enough water and get decent sleep. I'm 5'10 and 129 lbs, so I'm not too skinny (I have trouble gaining weight).
But despite all this, I'm 24 and look 34. I've searched other threads on these issues, but they're mainly by people older than me, or with higher cheekbones (which I lack).
Is there any hope for someone my age who just has a bad face shape?
Thanks...I'm kind of worried about it. It's frustrating because everyone else in my family looks amazing for their age, but not me. :/ |
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I have tried both and they work, Thermage is less expensive and you may want to try this one first as it can be used on more areas of the face and is also less painful. Can be used on the eyelids too. Ultherapy can't. It really can be used only on half the face so really lower face and neck. |
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Wed Mar 01, 2017 1:23 am |
thanks for the feedback! when you did the Ultherapy, did you only have numb medicine on your face, or was there any injection to minimize the pain? i also heard it is very painful...
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| ying0101 wrote: |
Personally I don't believe any skincare product (no matter how expensive it is) will do much on the sagging skin. You may want to try thermage or ultherapy. They are both FDA approved and should be relatively safe.
I tried thermage last year but it did not do much. I'll try ultherapy this year.
| ohhellothere wrote: |
Is there any way to stay young looking if I have bad bone structure?
I have a long,thin face and a large prominent nose. Already I have nasiolabal folds and sagging flat cheeks and hollow eyes. I look gaunt.
I take care of my skin (washing, moisturizing with anti-aging creme and avoiding sun exposure), I don't smoke or drink, and I try to drink enough water and get decent sleep. I'm 5'10 and 129 lbs, so I'm not too skinny (I have trouble gaining weight).
But despite all this, I'm 24 and look 34. I've searched other threads on these issues, but they're mainly by people older than me, or with higher cheekbones (which I lack).
Is there any hope for someone my age who just has a bad face shape?
Thanks...I'm kind of worried about it. It's frustrating because everyone else in my family looks amazing for their age, but not me. :/ |
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I have tried both and they work, Thermage is less expensive and you may want to try this one first as it can be used on more areas of the face and is also less painful. Can be used on the eyelids too. Ultherapy can't. It really can be used only on half the face so really lower face and neck. |
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Sat Mar 04, 2017 11:36 pm |
| They gave me Ativan which is calming and a Percocet for the pain. Yes, very painful and it really didn't help things much. It was worth it though. |
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Sun Mar 05, 2017 6:55 pm |
You could use Emla? or Elmla? cream on your face, but it is an expensive numbing cream sold over the counter.
There is a similar numbing cream you can buy online sold for waxing and laser hair removal that is pretty much the same and cheaper-I forget the name, it is made in the US. |
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Sat Mar 11, 2017 2:21 pm |
| I have Emla, I used that for Fraxel treatments. Emla wasn't suggested for Ultherapy though, not sure why, don't see why they missed reminding me to apply before my treatment. |
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